[poppa smurf]

absolutely and mate I know where you are coming from but these threads simply keep on rising and the contents and subscribers are always the same

revenue raising, incorrect stats, nanny state!

I think that as motorist group we have

(1) the power and an obligation to instil good road behaviour in our young and impressionable

(2) an obligation, particularly in positions of authority, to not only support current road laws but offer up new ones, if we disagree with them then the forum is not the place to raise it, start with your local mp

(3) to show that we are reasonable, responsible drivers if only in words

the road toll, in death and or injury, is abhorrent regardless.....our young, just like we used to, think they are above the law and are indestructible.....some simply think that road rules should not apply to them

we, as a motoring body have a very small opportunity to be able, to maybe, persuade an impressionable driver that what he or she may be contemplating at any given time is not the only way .....this can be seen through our "perceived" behaviour online and just maybe, just possibly just save his/her life, monkey see, monkey do is alive and well

the youngsters are already excited and doing silly things that seem like fun but it is up to a peer group, like us, to show that it is either a dangerous pastime or an act that could kill or maim them

however if that peer group is a bad influence we will lose more of our young.......this is what, I above all else, don't want

given a decent peer group we may just save a couple of lives or a life in a wheel chair

I'm not attacking your statical placement which in itself is a good thread, but the arguments that arose from it which seem to continuously do the rounds

but anyway, just an old fools thoughts, I don't think anything will change.......boy's will be boy's and driver's will die!