VE Omega rental... are they all like this?

[malazn mafia]

Hey guys, just rented a VE Commo Omega in Adelaide for the day.. and what can I say.. absolutely appalling. The interior had "cheap" written all over it, substandard sound system, cheap button feel on all buttons, interior lights that don't fade in/out when switched on/off, a passenger-side glovebox that looked just like and felt as flimsy as one from a Toyota Yaris, and noisy door lock actuators that sounded almost half as bad as those from the E-series falcons. The A-pillars were like tree-stumps and really impacted visibility, and the door mirrors were too small. And to top it off, the engine was very rough, noisy and underpowered, power steering was whiny, driveline seemed very slack and jerky. Nearly all bumps on the road could be felt through the suspension. A BA taxi engine sounds like a BMW six in comparison... and I'd happily drive a BA series 1 XT over this excuse of a car anyday..

I guess the only redeeming factor I can think of is the awesome amount of legroom it gives to the front passenger and driver. The dash seems much more compact, away from the driver's legs and less 'claustrophobic' than BA/Territory/FG.

So is this what Holden comes up with when it has 1 billion to spend on designing a car? Do the higher series Commodores at least have better dash materials/etc, less engine noise, etc.

[747jet]

no there all the same thats how thay are drive like a dog but the late ones are much better to drive

[gossy]

Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Consider yourself lucky then that you got one of the better ones.

[pottery beige]

Crappadore...

[Peuty]

Welcome to 2006 mate.

[Mr Hardware]

I rather like the VE, it's the closest to a falcon yet.

[private9]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

I rather like the VE, it's the closest to a falcon yet.

Good call!

[jphanna]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Hey guys, just rented a VE Commo Omega in Adelaide for the day.. and what can I say.. absolutely appalling. The interior had "cheap" written all over it, substandard sound system, cheap button feel on all buttons, interior lights that don't fade in/out when switched on/off, a passenger-side glovebox that looked just like and felt as flimsy as one from a Toyota Yaris, and noisy door lock actuators that sounded almost half as bad as those from the E-series falcons. The A-pillars were like tree-stumps and really impacted visibility, and the door mirrors were too small. And to top it off, the engine was very rough, noisy and underpowered, power steering was whiny, driveline seemed very slack and jerky. Nearly all bumps on the road could be felt through the suspension. A BA taxi engine sounds like a BMW six in comparison... and I'd happily drive a BA series 1 XT over this excuse of a car anyday..

I guess the only redeeming factor I can think of is the awesome amount of legroom it gives to the front passenger and driver. The dash seems much more compact, away from the driver's legs and less 'claustrophobic' than BA/Territory/FG.

So is this what Holden comes up with when it has 1 billion to spend on designing a car? Do the higher series Commodores at least have better dash materials/etc, less engine noise, etc.

I agree with you with omega. it screams taxi pack when you get in....

I have had 2 of each of falcons and commodores. I can tell you that what hurts the image of the big aussie cars in the eyes of joe bloggs average out there, is not that the small things such as the commodore dashboard, that feels like a huyundai or whinny trans etc, but its the big ticket items that Ford gets the most attention such as BRAKE FAILURE in current models, or repeat head gasket failures in previous models.

AUSSIES ARE NOT STUPID. if every model since 1978 has been number one (with exception of XF, whick kicked commodores azz), then that tells me that either the marketing dept are bordering on genius to fool that many people over a generation.....or they dont like the fact that they been burned by owning a falcon before, and wont do it again.

I thought with the rave reviews of the FG that it would reel in the VE for sales, which is 2 years older and looking it......

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jphanna

I agree with you with omega. it screams taxi pack when you get in....

I have had 2 of each of falcons and commodores. I can tell you that what hurts the image of the big aussie cars in the eyes of joe bloggs average out there, is not that the small things such as the commodore dashboard, that feels like a huyundai or whinny trans etc, but its the big ticket items that Ford gets the most attention such as BRAKE FAILURE in current models, or repeat head gasket failures in previous models.

AUSSIES ARE NOT STUPID. if every model since 1978 has been number one (with exception of XF, whick kicked commodores azz), then that tells me that either the marketing dept are bordering on genius to fool that many people over a generation.....or they dont like the fact that they been burned by owning a falcon before, and wont do it again.

I thought with the rave reviews of the FG that it would reel in the VE for sales, which is 2 years older and looking it......

Everyones going on about recalls lately.. What about when the VE was first released, recall on seatbelts and fuel system in V8 cars in a number of weeks.. All manufacturers have faults!

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by jphanna

but its the big ticket items that Ford gets the most attention such as BRAKE FAILURE in current models,

I didn't know the FG had brake failures??

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by vztrt

I didn't know the FG had brake failures??

Only on EGAS models.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by jphanna

I agree with you with omega. it screams taxi pack when you get in....

I have had 2 of each of falcons and commodores. I can tell you that what hurts the image of the big aussie cars in the eyes of joe bloggs average out there, is not that the small things such as the commodore dashboard, that feels like a huyundai or whinny trans etc, but its the big ticket items that Ford gets the most attention such as BRAKE FAILURE in current models, or repeat head gasket failures in previous models.

AUSSIES ARE NOT STUPID. if every model since 1978 has been number one (with exception of XF, whick kicked commodores azz), then that tells me that either the marketing dept are bordering on genius to fool that many people over a generation.....or they dont like the fact that they been burned by owning a falcon before, and wont do it again.

I thought with the rave reviews of the FG that it would reel in the VE for sales, which is 2 years older and looking it......

no falcons have had brake failure!! you should be a journo with your attention grabbing antics!! rear brake lines in irs equiped ba were changed as a precaution, and now a certain batch of egas cars MAY lose power assistance. they still have brakes. just more effort req. its not like they refuse to fix the issues either.

also commodore never owned the no.1 sales spot until vt. ford dominated virtually right up until EL. maybe not every month but it finished in front often enough.

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Hey guys, just rented a VE Commo Omega in Adelaide for the day.. and what can I say.. absolutely appalling.

basing your opinions on a rental car is probably not the most accurate way to measure a car. rental cars don't exactly get looked after, esp the driveline. also bit hard to be objective when you are a ford fan.

[jphanna]

Originally Posted by prydey

no falcons have had brake failure!! you should be a journo with your attention grabbing antics!!

i am not a sadist. this is a ford forum and i have both brands. in last few months FORD has been in headlines for Territory BRAKE problems, and more recently the FG for brake problems. this is the important part of my communication.

1. it may only be the EGAS that has the specific brake recall problem - Joe bloggs average will only hear 'FALCON BRAKE PROBLEMS'. he will apply it to all falcons.

2. the recalls the VE have had have not hit the headlines like the territory and falcon has in recent times. maybe the media love to bag ford, they have a history of it...that may be fords fault for letting consistant problems get to media before they nipped them in the bud early.

3. is there a person out there that hasnt had a REAR window failure with a territory? put your hand up if you havnt.....this sort of ONGOING crap that ford has subjected its customers, has hurt the reputation of the falcon as well.

when holden got it wrong, it was for LESSER reasons then the BIG problems that falcon buyers copped. those BIGGER hits - resale, headgaskets, styling disasters, Brakes are what will keep the falcon a safe distance from VE.

even the collapse of GM that the media has been headlining over months has not deterred VE buyers. you would think this was the ONE chance to nail the VE with all this doom and gloom about the parent company.....

[Riksta]

Originally Posted by jphanna

styling disasters

When did Ford ever have a styling disaster?

[Coogs289]

Originally Posted by Riksta

When did Ford ever have a styling disaster?

the AU perhaps? (not that I agree : )

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by jphanna

3. is there a person out there that hasnt had a REAR window failure with a territory? put your hand up if you havnt.....this sort of ONGOING crap that ford has subjected its customers, has hurt the reputation of the falcon as well.

I raised my hand. I've had front window failure though :P

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jphanna

i am not a sadist. this is a ford forum and i have both brands. in last few months FORD has been in headlines for Territory BRAKE problems, and more recently the FG for brake problems. this is the important part of my communication.

1. it may only be the EGAS that has the specific brake recall problem - Joe bloggs average will only hear 'FALCON BRAKE PROBLEMS'. he will apply it to all falcons.

2. the recalls the VE have had have not hit the headlines like the territory and falcon has in recent times. maybe the media love to bag ford, they have a history of it...that may be fords fault for letting consistant problems get to media before they nipped them in the bud early.

3. is there a person out there that hasnt had a REAR window failure with a territory? put your hand up if you havnt.....this sort of ONGOING crap that ford has subjected its customers, has hurt the reputation of the falcon as well.

when holden got it wrong, it was for LESSER reasons then the BIG problems that falcon buyers copped. those BIGGER hits - resale, headgaskets, styling disasters, Brakes are what will keep the falcon a safe distance from VE.

even the collapse of GM that the media has been headlining over months has not deterred VE buyers. you would think this was the ONE chance to nail the VE with all this doom and gloom about the parent company.....

Yeh and your comparing a VE to a EA.. They are probably pretty much on par LOL...

[prydey]

Originally Posted by jphanna

when holden got it wrong, it was for LESSER reasons then the BIG problems that falcon buyers copped. those BIGGER hits - resale, headgaskets, styling disasters, Brakes are what will keep the falcon a safe distance from VE.

seatbelts and fuel lines are far less important things than losing power assistance on your brakes??

Originally Posted by benoxr

Ford 25, Holden 26, Toyota 27 since 2005 so I don't think the CEO has a real need to jump with the media hype.

all the recalls are listed out in this thread.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...97#post2708997


getting a bit off topic now though.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by jphanna

i am not a sadist. ... ETC is there a person out there that hasnt had a REAR window failure with a territory? put your hand up if you havnt.....this sort of ONGOING crap that ford has subjected its customers, has hurt the reputation of the falcon as well.

.....

You really beleive all this? Why? You writting for the Sun of late?

What REAR window failure? No havn't had that problem and havn't heard about it. Its a shopping trolley so dont venture into the Territory section too often. 40,000 k's so far from new and been in for the brake recall. No other worries. When is it going to explode into flames? Can you ask Mr Glover when you see him next?

The reason Holdens sell? They could put a lion badge on a Skoda and it would sell! Its a love affair with the one eyed and will always be.



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[jphanna]

Originally Posted by auslandau

What REAR window failure?
The reason Holdens sell? They could put a lion badge on a Skoda and it would sell! Its a love affair with the one eyed and will always be.

i have a close friend who works in an SA major ford dealer and the rear window territory problem is a CONSTANT service warranty call. what about the common limp home mode problem that they have as well?

i am not one eyed. my VE makes up its mind when the ventilation system decides to work. that is a COMMON complaint with the VE......but it doesnt make it to the news like brakes problems etc.

my XE didnt cause me many problems apart from the kickback cable jamming/seizing. My VL was just like the VE, dodgy electrics right through the car. nothings changed there.


if you recon that they can put a holden badge on a skoda and it will sell....well that says a lot about the customer relations of the 2 companies. one of them isnt doing a very good job over a long period of time.

The FG is clearly a better car. It should be number 1. If ford cant figure out why its not, then how can they bridge that gap.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by jphanna

1. it may only be the EGAS that has the specific brake recall problem - Joe bloggs average will only hear 'FALCON BRAKE PROBLEMS'. he will apply it to all falcons.

Unfortunately I agree with him. There are to many people out there who don't know and think. I had a mate telling me the Falcon has brake problems (during the Territory recall). I explained to him that it was the Terri and he was saying no its the Falcon.

What doesn't help is when there's a bias by some media making sure they will stick the boot in when its over the top.

But then again Ford are selling more to private buyers as of late so I guess the media aren't doing that much damage.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by jphanna

3. is there a person out there that hasnt had a REAR window failure with a territory? put your hand up if you havnt.....this sort of ONGOING crap that ford has subjected its customers, has hurt the reputation of the falcon as well.

.

My Hand is up.

We have an 07 Terry Ghia AWD. It's done 62000+km. Including outback with a trailer. No widow issues. No issues at all except for the brake recall, and our car had not failed. This weekend we had our 1st real spend. A set of tyres. Great car and is still in as new condition and was mistaken for a new vehicle this week.

I'll be surprised if we don't replace it with the new model next year. Waiting impatiently..Taps foot.

As I have noted before I've had issues with the Calais and not just brakes -(Note; it really belongs to my work not me, I would have bought the G6ET)

I am biased, but these are the facts.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by prydey

no falcons have had brake failure!! you should be a journo with your attention grabbing antics!! rear brake lines in irs equiped ba were changed as a precaution, and now a certain batch of egas cars MAY lose power assistance. they still have brakes. just more effort req. its not like they refuse to fix the issues either.

also commodore never owned the no.1 sales spot until vt. ford dominated virtually right up until EL. maybe not every month but it finished in front often enough.



basing your opinions on a rental car is probably not the most accurate way to measure a car. rental cars don't exactly get looked after, esp the driveline. also bit hard to be objective when you are a ford fan.

My BA XT started life as a rental car and i'd imagine would have been chucked around a fair bit since new. But the body was A1 and picked it up for a song, so I think it is a fair comparo against a rental VE.

I actually got turned on to the BA after sitting in a BA taxi, quite surprisingly , so I think a rental/taxi is a good way to measure up how well a car would perform in everyday conditions.

[Wally]

Can't speak for the poverty pack Holden (Omega), but I'm quite happy with the Calais 6.0. Ride is great, handling is great, etc, only real cabin noise is when I plant the foot and the exhaust springs into life. Cost me about $600 so far and that includes $260 for the 60k service

[theboxmike]

Crap car, but not All VE's are like that, something that most people on these forums mistake for.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by jphanna

Ford gets the most attention such as BRAKE FAILURE in current models, ...

Don't worry I had to get the brake master cyl replaced within the 1st 10,000km to stop the pedal going to the floor. 08 VE CalaisV.

[Thankfull]

Originally Posted by jphanna

I agree with you with omega. it screams taxi pack when you get in....

I have had 2 of each of falcons and commodores. I can tell you that what hurts the image of the big aussie cars in the eyes of joe bloggs average out there, is not that the small things such as the commodore dashboard, that feels like a huyundai or whinny trans etc, but its the big ticket items that Ford gets the most attention such as BRAKE FAILURE in current models, or repeat head gasket failures in previous models.

AUSSIES ARE NOT STUPID. if every model since 1978 has been number one (with exception of XF, whick kicked commodores azz), then that tells me that either the marketing dept are bordering on genius to fool that many people over a generation.....or they dont like the fact that they been burned by owning a falcon before, and wont do it again.

I thought with the rave reviews of the FG that it would reel in the VE for sales, which is 2 years older and looking it......

Actualy I think it is more a case of Family Bias....

I come from a Ford Family going back to a A Model Ford owned by my Father, as a younger man I have noticed that my freinds who purchased Holdens when they got their first car....where raised in Families that owned a Holden as a Family car when they where a kid.

In fact I do not remember any of my freinds raised in a Family that owned a holden, ever consider buying a Ford, and Visa Versa with Fords.

Mind you my generation (post War Baby Boom) where working class, and could only afford the local X?!!box holdens elcheapo car.

I was lucky to be raised in a family that was just a little better off, so ofcourse the car our family owned was more classy better build quality...more reliable, better looking and more pleasing to the eye over all...Fords ofcourse.

When it comes to the crunch if you buy a muscle car to keep as a collectable, you always buy a Ford....only they increase in value....the Holden does not.

The GTHO Phase III is not the only example.....it is the classic example.

Thank goodness that the Family I was raised in only owned and drove Fords.

Cheers all

[Smoke Pursuit]

They are all like that, even from brand new.. Anything below Calais in the holden range is substandard, and even the calais is pretty low rent when compared to G6E.

It should also be noted that their billion dollars included the LWB cars, wagon and ute.. Ford dont have 2 of those models to waste money on anymore!

[Mr Hardware]

jphanna is right. If holden had a motor on par with the I6 there's no way i'd own a ford. Once ford ditches the legendary I6 i'm outta here. Some of you guys here are just so one-eyed its not funny.

[gcg2503]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

jphanna is right. If holden had a motor on par with the I6 there's no way i'd own a ford. Once ford ditches the legendary I6 i'm outta here. Some of you guys here are just so one-eyed its not funny.

Why dont you just change camps now? The VE is an epic car...