Working in the automotive industry

[mooseman]

Hi there, I'm turning 25 in August and am fed up with a white collar job working behind a desk in admin. I want to get some sort of career behind me and have always had a passion for cars to figured doing some sort of automotive apprenticeship would be best.

My brother is a qualified mechanic, my dad is self-taught but just as good.
Two of my uncles are diesel mechanics and one is a panel-beater.

I really have no idea what area is the best to go into. I've thought of;

Diesel Mechanic
Car Mechanic
Auto Elec

I'm not really keen on panel beating. I've got an IT/Admin background but have a pretty good understanding of mechanics and auto electrics already. I can do all the basic stuff and basic diagnosis.

As I'm 25 in August I can qualify for an adult apprenticeship and won't be getting as little money as I would be.

Anyone have any tips or advice?

I'm looking for something that has the best earning potential and career. I should be able to get a diesel or motor mechanic apprenticeship easy enough but I was hoping to get into a bigger dealership rather then a small place.

[Cam]

Is driving trucks at the mine classed as the automotive industry? That has a good earning potential..

The diesel Mechanics at the mines also do pretty well ;)

[mooseman]

Originally Posted by Cam

Is driving trucks at the mine classed as the automotive industry? That has a good earning potential..

The diesel Mechanics at the mines also do pretty well ;)

I've not got any licence above my car licence.

I've thought about the mines and would love to do it but I've found while everyone says "Oh they are always looking for people" when you dig a little deeper no-one can help you.

[Cheese3]

I have been a maintance fitter for the last 7 years, and if i had my time again i would be a diesel mechanic (earthmoving) or boiler maker. I know sparkies can potentially earn more doing easier work but that feild does not intreset me.

I would try and get a Diesel Fitter job at CAT imo

[KRL-94]

fitter and turner, diesel mechanic, even to start just get into engine rebuilding and reconditioning, just start with family and friends, go to tafe and do a CERT.II in automotive and then go for an appreticeship. much easier in some cases having some sort of qualifaction.

[mooseman]

Originally Posted by KRL-94

fitter and turner, diesel mechanic, even to start just get into engine rebuilding and reconditioning, just start with family and friends, go to tafe and do a CERT.II in automotive and then go for an appreticeship. much easier in some cases having some sort of qualifaction.

To be honest, I know that having the pre-app type qualification would be better on my resume but I already know just about everything that is listed in the pre-app.

I know all the tools, the electrical testing, servicing and can replace most parts. It is more the internal stuff that I don't really know.

I was thinking auto elec because I've got lots of experience in car audio and with my brother being a mechanic I don't really want to be the same as him.

[macca13]

A good Autosparky is never out of work and it is a good way into mining if that's what you want to do plus you can do Aircons.

[mooseman]

Originally Posted by macca13

A good Autosparky is never out of work and it is a good way into mining if that's what you want to do plus you can do Aircons.

Yeah I figured as much but not sure if there are any big companies based in Melbourne that take on Apprentices. I don't really want to do an apprenticeship with a small workshop.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by mooseman

Yeah I figured as much but not sure if there are any big companies based in Melbourne that take on Apprentices. I don't really want to do an apprenticeship with a small workshop.

Your best bet is to do the apprenticeship IN A SMALL company. They will have more time to teach you properly. Dealerships won't be able to teach you properly.

As for the fielld. I'd be looking at the auto electrician side of things. The work isn't as back breaking. I'm not insinuating you're not a hard worker, but constantly doing back breaking mechanical work can lead to back problems down the track.

So something worth thinking about.

[chevypower]

I have always had a passion for cars too, but I hate working on them. My career is in psychology. That answer may not help you any, but just thought I would share. I was inspired to go to health care because so many people spend so much money (and insurance money) on it. I didn't want to go to med school or be a nurse, but I like interacting with people. I'm really not a hands-on guy (especially with people), so I thought psychology would be a perfect fit. Going to pursue my PhD in industrial/organizational psychology so I can work in corporate and therapeutic environments.

My advice, dream big, go all the way! I was a high school slacker, by the way!

[mooseman]

Originally Posted by chevypower

I have always had a passion for cars too, but I hate working on them. My career is in psychology. That answer may not help you any, but just thought I would share. I was inspired to go to health care because so many people spend so much money (and insurance money) on it. I didn't want to go to med school or be a nurse, but I like interacting with people. I'm really not a hands-on guy (especially with people), so I thought psychology would be a perfect fit. Going to pursue my PhD in industrial/organizational psychology so I can work in corporate and therapeutic environments.

My advice, dream big, go all the way! I was a high school slacker, by the way!

Haha funny you mention that. I've spent the past 4 years or so working in Mental Health Admin. I'm in no position to go back to Uni or anything so becoming a health professional isn't an option. Good job being a psychologist, so many of you guys are better then the actual doctors and don't let those nurses push you around!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by mooseman

Car Mechanic
Auto Elec

These two are excellent choices if you like low pay, hard physical work and crap working conditions, the only potential there is for an auto electrician to make money is in the mines, or if you own your own business, otherwise you'll be on $19 an hour for the rest of your auto career working for someone else in their business, less if you are a dealership mechanic, when I was at Honda, their qualified mechanics where on around $17.50/h, no one over $20 an hour on the shop floor, salary package for the workshop manager which included a car.

Automotive air-conditioning work is now a legal minefield, to actually be able to do the course, to get licensed, you have to work for a workshop that does air-conditioning work in the first place, if not, the governing body won't let you get your trainee license, which you need to have to do the certificate II in air-conditioning at TAFE, once you have got to that stage, you can do your school part of the certificate II after you have the trainee license, then you need to supply copies of job sheets and job numbers of air conditioning work you've done in the workplace when you get audited by Arctick which is the regulatory agency to get the full license.

Its a massive pain in the ***. You can get government subsidy so the course is only like $300 during your cert III as an auto elec apprentice, but because I don't work in a workshop that does air conditining work, I can't do it, when I've finished my apprenticeship, if I decide to chase it and move to another workshop as a qualified auto elec, its going to cost around $1500 because I won't qualify for the government subsidy, as they only subsidise going up in level, not down.

Also the car manufacturers are starting to make things really hard for the little guy to work on their cars, you pretty much need a decent scanner to work on modern cars these days, even basic stuff like indicators are now controlled by the CANBUS system, no more flasher can, no more diagnosing issues with just a test light and multi-meter.

Originally Posted by mooseman

Anyone have any tips or advice?

Keep the IT job, scout out the most popular tech section on the forum here, buy yourself that model as a project car and self teach with the help of everyone here, or you'll end up hating cars.

There is no money in the automotive industry, unless you're a business owner, its not a "good" living. I'm an apprentice in the auto industry, its not something you do for a long career.

[mooseman]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

These two are excellent choices if you like low pay, hard physical work and crap working conditions, the only potential there is for an auto electrician to make money is in the mines, or if you own your own business, otherwise you'll be on $19 an hour for the rest of your auto career working for someone else in their business, less if you are a dealership mechanic, when I was at Honda, their qualified mechanics where on around $17.50/h, no one over $20 an hour on the shop floor, salary package for the workshop manager which included car..

Also the car manufacturers are starting to make things really hard for the little guy to work on their cars, you pretty much need a decent scanner to work on modern cars these days, even basic stuff like indicators are now controlled by the CANBUS system, no more flasher can, no more diagnosing issues with just a test light and multi-meter.




Keep the IT job, scout out the most popular tech section on the forum here, buy yourself that model as a project car and self teach with the help of everyone here, or you'll end up hating cars.

There is no money in the automotive industry, unless you're a business owner, its not a "good" living. I'm an apprentice in the auto industry, its not something you do for a long career.

Thanks for the input but I have already figured that I'm never going to make a lot of money in the automotive industry but it is what I want to do and due to listening to peoples advice like yours I have wasted the past 6 years of my life.

It is all relative. My brother is a mechanic at a big dealership and has a house, motorbike, nice car and a project car and also does everything he wants too and his wife doesn't earn great money either.

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Keep the IT job, scout out the most popular tech section on the forum here, buy yourself that model as a project car and self teach with the help of everyone here, or you'll end up hating cars.

He's right, get dad and brother to teach you everything. Maybe even do a project with one of them (but you'll find your brother having worked on cars all week won't want to do it on the weekend as well).

[mik]

i did a few years as an apprentice car mechanic as a young bloke, i quit out of the trade due to poor conditions crappy pay, and a poor field of work, after having 30 years to think about it, i`m sorry i did`nt stay in the trade and just pick a better field of work(but i was young and dumb ), by field of work i mean for example not working in dealer under pressure to get work in and out, doing quite often repetitive warranty work, i`d much rather have done a specialist job rebuilding auto`s,diffs,etc,etc,
working in and out of a lot of truck depots over the years, i reckon diesel mechanic is not a bad job, you get dirtier though, working for a big company there`s good dollars to had as well.

[graham_h]

$20 per hour for a fully qualified mechanic ? really ? Sheesh and here's me looking at getting qualified...won't bother now. That's just stupid that they pay that low for a four year qualification.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by graham_h

$20 per hour for a fully qualified mechanic ? really ? Sheesh and here's me looking at getting qualified...won't bother now. That's just stupid that they pay that low for a four year qualification.

Yep, thats right.

When I was at Coburg TAFE (a few of you older guys from Victoria probably went through that hole when it was new in the 70s ), the average in there was $17.50 for a qualified light vehicle mechanic in the average business, that was in 2010.

People see their bill for servicing on their new car at the dealership, labour at $110 an hour and think a mechanic is the best paying job going around, not so unfortunately.

[Fiesta God]

Specialist mechanical knowledge e.g. transmissions, engine rebuilding etc. is always in demand and the money is better (still not great but better)

Running your own business in the industry would be the way to go IMO, my mechanic is only in his mid 30's, runs his own workshop and is such a genuine bloke to deal with and so fair in his pricing that he is booked out for 2-3 weeks ... and he can get his hands dirty as much as he likes, or sit in an office as much as he likes ... plus the tax advantages of running your own business can make it a pretty lucrative gig ...

[graham_h]

Can you "legally" call yourself a mechanic without being qualified...i.e self taught ?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by graham_h

Can you "legally" call yourself a mechanic without being qualified...i.e self taught ?

Well, its not a licensed trade so technically you could be employed as a mechanic even without the certificate, same goes for auto electrical.

These days over the 4 years, you only really do around 24 weeks of school anyways, the course isn't really that long, I've nearly knocked mine over in a year and a half and thats auto electrical.

In Victoria, through Kangan Institute you can go for RPL - recognition of prior learning, where you sit their tests, if you pass you get the certificate, it basically covers all the theory and practical you do in the course.

[graham_h]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Well, its not a licensed trade so technically you could be employed as a mechanic even without the certificate, same goes for auto electrical.

In Victoria, through Kangan Institute you can go for RPL - recognition of prior learning, where you sit their tests, if you pass you get the certificate, it basically covers all the theory and practical you do in the course.

So, for example, you could rent a cheap industrial unit for around $200p/w and do basic maintenance work within your own skill set.
I'm sure I could do brakes, oil changes etc and not charge rip off rates and earn a dollar or two.
Especially if someone would go halves on the rent
All jokes a side it is a consideration for me right now

[XARATE]

Originally Posted by graham_h

So, for example, you could rent a cheap industrial unit for around $200p/w and do basic maintenance work within your own skill set.
I'm sure I could do brakes, oil changes etc and not charge rip off rates and earn a dollar or two.
Especially if someone would go halves on the rent
All jokes a side it is a consideration for me right now

Its not that easy. Alot of people dont know that with a licence you cannot work on any car pther than the one you own.
To repair or service a car you need a licence.
Bottom page in bold "certification is compulsory"
http://www.atbnsw.com.au/files/Autom...rLicensing.pdf

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XARATE

Its not that easy. Alot of people dont know that with a licence you cannot work on any car pther than the one you own.
To repair or service a car you need a licence.
Bottom page in bold "certification is compulsory"
http://www.atbnsw.com.au/files/Autom...rLicensing.pdf

They where hiring people without certificates at the Honda dealership I was at, they put them doing just oil and filters though. Might be for if you want to own and run a workshop.

[Franco Cozzo]

If you're an older person, the Kangan Institute course will probably be easy for you, its about 20 years out of date, our course mainly covers VL/VN Commodores, has crap in it like points ignition, a fair bit on early electronic ignition, but nothing on stuff like coil on plug, all the later technology etc.

Injection wise they cover throttle body injection (Also known as CFI) which is ancient, I think that was on one of the EA series Falcons, covers MPEFI fairly well just about nothing on direct injection though.

There is some more recent stuff in there here and there, like ABS, TCS, SCS and a small module on SRS but not really that much.

[graham_h]

Perfect example right Here

$850p/m

Haha....it's even got a BA wagon outside

[Simple6]

I started off in an Auto Electricians workshop with the intention of going on to an apprenticeship, however while I enjoyed what I learn and it shows it's value everyday, I began to hate touching my own car. It just seemed like such a chore.

After 2 years of working there and never starting an a apprenticeship I moved into sales and now am in admin/management style position and because it's such a different field, I'm always eager to get under and work on my cars!

In saying that though - I would love (and always have - even when working as an Auto Electrician) to run my own workshop. Choose the type of business you want like audio/visual or performance modifications etc etc and be your own boss. It would be awesome.

You seem pretty keen so in your position I'd be going in as an Auto Electrician and then opening a business up with your brother (and/or other relatives).

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Simple6

I started off in an Auto Electricians workshop with the intention of going on to an apprenticeship, however while I enjoyed what I learn and it shows it's value everyday, I began to hate touching my own car. It just seemed like such a chore.

After 2 years of working there and never starting an a apprenticeship I moved into sales and now am in admin/management style position and because it's such a different field, I'm always eager to get under and work on my cars!

In saying that though - I would love (and always have - even when working as an Auto Electrician) to run my own workshop. Choose the type of business you want like audio/visual or performance modifications etc etc and be your own boss. It would be awesome.

You seem pretty keen so in your position I'd be going in as an Auto Electrician and then opening a business up with your brother (and/or other relatives).

I used to be a real Computer enthusiast. After fixing lots of other peoples machines and having to deal with them... I learned to hate them. And I neglect my own PC these days. So it's just like any other job I suppose.

That being said, I still would like to have all those kinds of skills to build my own cars.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

I used to be a real Computer enthusiast. After fixing lots of other peoples machines and having to deal with them... I learned to hate them. And I neglect my own PC these days. So it's just like any other job I suppose.

That being said, I still would like to have all those kinds of skills to build my own cars.

Lol me too, now I hate computers and cars.

Best thing I've done though is bought that EL I have, sure its not registered or roadworthy at the moment, but eventually when it is, it'll be pretty sweet to drive I reckon.

The best thing about project car is it isn't your daily, so you can leave stuff half done for as long as you like or do things after work over a few days, because its not really needed on the road the next day.

I'm always asking in the E series forum about how to fix things, I've recently just rectified a cooling leak I caused after 3 or 4 tries when I replaced the water pump, victory feels so good, lol.

[Bossxr8]

Diesel mechs make pretty damn good money. Way more than what a normal mechanic, panel beater or auto sparky would ever make.

[sirlc6]

I have been in the trade for over 12 years now. Im glad I have done it but now if I had the time again I wouldn't do it or at least be a diesel mechanic. It really is a thankless job and low pay for the amount of knowledge you require. There is ongoing training for new systems that are introduced in cars nowadays. If you are dead set about doing an apprenticeship try get a job with caterpillar they have jobs in the mines or just in their workshop it would be better pay than a light vehicle mechanic. Just my 2 cents
Paul