Australia Will Suffer Without Auto Manufacturing- Alan Mulallay

[Adamz Ghia]

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...-1226802590442

You don't really know what you have till it's gone. Never been truer in this instance.

[barnz_xr8]

aint that the truth

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by barnz_xr8

aint that the truth

Careful, Dowling wrote it, the lying hound!

[rancidpunx]

Doom and gloom about the loss of manufacturing but on the bright side a nice article about Ford towards the end.

[Wretched]

He has a point but I think there is more to it than just government policy. The manufacturers and the government need to work together.
Doesn't help when the primary (only) product you develop has had a nose dive in sales over the last few years.

[Boss_340]

Watch this Australia Day the un Australians with there Aussie flags on there cheap imported cars, so sad.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Boss_340

Watch this Australia Day the un Australians with there Aussie flags on there cheap imported cars, so sad.

I am no fan of the flag waving thing, just a simple acknowledgement is good enough for me.

But to call someone un Australian for buying an imported car is a bit rich don't you think? Someone can be proud of being Australian without having to purchase a Falcon or Commodore.

[ryeman]

We are a free market experiment being watched by the big trading countries.
Sovereignty is also a tradable commodity now it seems.
Feel 'comfortable' in this experiment and take what's given to you as you are buffeted by 'market forces' ....yo'll have a nice day now!

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by ryeman

We are a free market experiment being watched by the big trading countries.
Sovereignty is also a tradable commodity now it seems.
Feel 'comfortable' in this experiment and take what's given to you as you are buffeted by 'market forces' ....yo'll have a nice day now!

This all happened years ago in the UK. Hardly an experiment.

Although they still have some (but limited) automotive manufacture.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

This all happened years ago in the UK. Hardly an experiment.

Although they still have some (but limited) automotive manufacture.

Exactly, and given our example used a car that surely sold in much lower numbers to that of anything produced in the UK goes to show that the writing as been on the wall for a very long time.

Being unAustralian for the car you buy..LOL..maybe because the economy is falling apart and people can afford the extra $10k for a falcon/commodore to a comparable mid-sizer that fills most peoples needs...

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

This all happened years ago in the UK. Hardly an experiment.

Although they still have some (but limited) automotive manufacture.

I'm more concerned about the sell off of our resources and in particular energy to transnational shareholders.
The poms haven't lost their vehicle manufacturing 'capability', but we're on track to lose the 'ability'.

[strobe]

Originally Posted by Wretched

I am no fan of the flag waving thing, just a simple acknowledgement is good enough for me.

But to call someone un Australian for buying an imported car is a bit rich don't you think? Someone can be proud of being Australian without having to purchase a Falcon or Commodore.

My brother sent me a pic of a great wall decked out in southern cross/you flew here i grew here/eureka flag/if you don't like it go back to your own country stickers. Made me laugh.

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by strobe

My brother sent me a pic of a great wall decked out in southern cross/you flew here i grew here/eureka flag/if you don't like it go back to your own country stickers. Made me laugh.

That's Bob Katter's 'schtick', I get the impression he would like to wind back 'multiculturalism'.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by ryeman

That's Bob Katter's 'schtick', I get the impression he would like to wind back 'multiculturalism'.

Your impression is false, Bob Katter racial background is multicultural.

But as for people who just want to use a nation as a dumping ground ?well one may voice their democratic rights for the moment, the time being, well sort of but as for the PC nazi's pushing us around nowadays telling us what to think.
But maybe just maybe we should all be for a change of the Australian name as it does not represent what we were any more, does it ?
In the future from what i can see is, we do have people now trying to be pushing the line, so we will end up not having the States or Territories in Australia. and there is more to as what this PC nazi lot are pushing, the next is no national borders and just one world one govenment. it saves a lot of money is one of the main points to suck you in with, just like a argument they use with the State governments. Hitler would be proud of them.
But the problem is you end up with a dictatorship, not that that's a problem for the people who push it as they are all for dictatorship. it's all planned it's a done deal to them.
Any govenment that stands back watching it's own industries fall is just a traitor to it's people. it's not just the car industry it's everything that it just does not support or help, fishing farmers etc etc.
We are on track to becoming a 3rd world nation, just a backward bunch of yobbos a delinquent bunch of brats that ****ed everything we had up against the wall for just a load of bullshit.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Wretched

I am no fan of the flag waving thing, just a simple acknowledgement is good enough for me.

But to call someone un Australian for buy imported car is a bit rich don't you think? Someone can be proud of being Australian without having to purchase a Falcon or Commodore.

I'll go the other way on the flag waving , I don't think we do enough of it, these days with the multi cultural thing happening you see it mentioned in the media on occasion some ethnic groups seem offended by it(tuff bickies to them).

Getting back to the unaustralian bit for buying a foreign car over an aussie car,
im firm in my belief that decades ago there where more true blue aussies and many of them would have almost had a fit at not supporting australia and buying aussie stuff ............including cars .

Maybe im wrong but I like the idea of putting yourself out for your country a little bit even if many like myself cant actively do it a lot of the time because of lack of funds,
but im a realist we are a different country today, attitudes are different, we are more materialistic and more about looking after number one, me included I suppose.

Im sure there are many families here on the forum where the parents spoiled the kids and then the kids of their kids because they did not want them to go through the hardships the oldies went through in the old days.
Of this I have no doubt we have become a country a little bit soft and selfish up to a point, and in my view we might pay or are paying a price already for not being as selfless as our parents and grand parents where.
At the very least our politicians should be pushing buy australian ........... instead of the deathly silence........... screw the fta.
I might add I totally agree with Mr Mullalay.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by mik

I'll go the other way on the flag waving , I don't think we do enough of it, these days with the multi cultural thing happening you see it mentioned in the media on occasion some ethnic groups seem offended by it(tuff bickies to them).

Getting back to the unaustralian bit for buying a foreign car over an aussie car,
im firm in my belief that decades ago there where more true blue aussies and many of them would have almost had a fit at not supporting australia and buying aussie stuff ............including cars .

Maybe im wrong but I like the idea of putting yourself out for your country a little bit even if many like myself cant actively do it a lot of the time because of lack of funds,
but im a realist we are a different country today, attitudes are different, we are more materialistic and more about looking after number one, me included I suppose.

Im sure there are many families here on the forum where the parents spoiled the kids and then the kids of their kids because they did not want them to go through the hardships the oldies went through in the old days.
Of this I have no doubt we have become a country a little bit soft and selfish up to a point, and in my view we might pay or are paying a price already for not being as selfless as our parents and grand parents where.
At the very least our politicians should be pushing buy australian ........... instead of the deathly silence........... screw the fta.
I might add I totally agree with Mr Mullalay.

People are still patriotic but they just don't show it on their sleeves like many did back in the day.
I am all for buying Australian made but I am not going to go out of my way and pay a premium for something that has no tangible benefits. For example when i was looking at a bedroom suite a couple of years back I was looking for Australian made. I was prepared to pay a little more but the price difference was near double for something identical. I'm sorry but I couldn't see any benefit. I don't have unlimited funds and it is the same with cars.
Ford, Holden and Toyota do not have anything in their local range that would suit my needs or I am remotely interested in. I put myself out a couple of years back to support the local product and I won't do it again unless there is a need in my purchase to do so.

Many and myself included buy a car for a specific purpose and sometimes we shell out a little more for something better if we can. I chose the Focus because a large car was wasteful in all areas and I chose the XR5 because nothing else in the Ford range interested me. Was I looking after myself? Sure was, I work long hours each day and my reward was to buy the Focus. Some here can throw around $$ for a car and not think twice but for me a car is a big investment and I want to make sure I get the best within budget and I enjoy driving. I am sure there are others like this too.
Now if I am un Australian for doing this then so be it. I don't support multi billion dollar organisations that have a primary purpose to deliver a product and that product isn't competitive enough with others in the market.
Put simply the locals have come a long way but are still so far behind and are now feeling the consequence of their mediocrity.

Originally Posted by DJM83

So im not oztrayn despite being born here and lived here all my life. Because I own an imported Ford that was hardly cheap.
Kool theory

eh, don't bother, too many of these people have their head stuck in the 70's and cannot get with the times.

[Boss_340]

Originally Posted by Wretched

I am no fan of the flag waving thing, just a simple acknowledgement is good enough for me.

But to call someone un Australian for buying an imported car is a bit rich don't you think? Someone can be proud of being Australian without having to purchase a Falcon or Commodore.

You missed out on Toyota, made here.
Buy Australian and support YOUR country!
WE are now the dumping ground for all the imported rubbish, i.e. SKODA etc.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Boss_340

You missed out on Toyota, made here.
Buy Australian and support YOUR country!
WE are now the dumping ground for all the imported rubbish, i.e. SKODA etc.

Really, I think you will find all models sold in Oz are sold in other countries.

AND THATS THE POINT.

The Falcon was not, the Commodore was "given" a chance and thats not bolding well either. So blame the companies for not integrating the products into their portfolio, also blame the Gov a little for making the decision easy for them aswell.

The LAST person you can blame is the buying public, "build it and they will come" works when the product being built is perceived to have value.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by Boss_340

Watch this Australia Day the un Australians with there Chinese made Aussie flags on there cheap imported cars, so sad.

Fixed that for you.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Boss_340

Watch this Australia Day the un Australians with there Aussie flags on there cheap imported cars, so sad.

So im not oztrayn despite being born here and lived here all my life. Because I own an imported Ford that was hardly cheap.
Kool theory

[Boss_340]

Originally Posted by djm83

so im not oztrayn despite being born here and lived here all my life. Because i own an imported ford that was hardly cheap.
Kool theory

cheap imported cars!

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Boss_340

cheap imported cars!

Your quote makes no sense, if your refering to my car it was hardly cheap in my eyes.
Where is your NEW aussie falcon?

[Boss_340]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Your quote makes no sense, if your refering to my car it was hardly cheap in my eyes.
Where is your NEW aussie falcon?

My NEW Aussie Falcon is on order.

I was not refering to your usa import,

[LTDmonger]

Originally Posted by Boss_340

Watch this Australia Day the un Australians with there Aussie flags on there cheap imported cars, so sad.

What is sadder is if you show patriotism you get labeled a bogan/thug and the like.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Boss_340

Watch this Australia Day the un Australians with there Aussie flags on there cheap imported cars, so sad.

Yea mate just like you wearing Un Australian clothing, using Un Australian consumables & gods knows what else.

Get off your pedestal before you fall off.

[ryeman]

For history buffs, check out the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation , manufacturers of OUR superior versions of the P51 Mustang and F86 Sabre (substantially redesigne by us) which were manufactured at Fishermans Bend.
(I was one of the last to land there but long after aircraft production had ceased)

How many first think of OUR history when Fishermans Bend is mentioned?.

You don't do that without trade skills!

[Maka]

Kiwikilda's post from my thread "Gm asked to give up Holden brand name", pretty appropriate here imo -

You would think that with Australia with a Technical Edge
and Leadership shown by Drivers like Hulme and Brabham
a real instead of a "Pretend" Australian Brand or Marque could be formed

The Truth is it is technical political and ideological subservience that is the "issue"

Australia should be designing and manufacturing it's own military equipment on shore as well " Like it used to"

To use an example
Review "The Diggers Darling" the australian made and designed
Owen Submachine gun and the story behind that

delaying its production is estimated as costing 20,000 australian lives
and when soemone does something superior here there is that
patronising stupidity that we should take all our lead from "offshore"
Brands are one thing

Aus made Holdens and Fords were great Cars

I don't think when it comes to manufacturing and its real importance
people fail to realise the course they are setting for this Country?

The Owen Submachine Gun and the Repco Brabham
are my two favourites of Australian industrial Design

The story behind them is as important as the technical superiority they had for their time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Gun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabham_BT24

http://youtu.be/Km65jQdT8V8

Formula 1: Nurburgring 1967 Race Review

What went wrong? Was that not enough of an example?

You can only create and environment for manufacturing when you
are a "technical nationalist" and "patriot"

Our political leaders will whine about branding while ignoring
all the hurdles they put up

and the focus in western society is on bribing with welfare for votes
instead of tax breaks for "Research and Development" on shore

[ryeman]

Flight Data Recorder (CSIRO) and one could go on....
Once you lose manufacturing capacity and capability you are more likely to lose design capability as well and much less R&D......it's a slippery slope that the white collar brigade have set us on IMO.

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by Maka

Kiwikilda's post from my thread "Gm asked to give up Holden brand name", pretty appropriate here imo -

You would think that with Australia with a Technical Edge
and Leadership shown by Drivers like Hulme and Brabham
a real instead of a "Pretend" Australian Brand or Marque could be formed

The Truth is it is technical political and ideological subservience that is the "issue"

Australia should be designing and manufacturing it's own military equipment on shore as well " Like it used to"

To use an example
Review "The Diggers Darling" the australian made and designed
Owen Submachine gun and the story behind that

delaying its production is estimated as costing 20,000 australian lives
and when soemone does something superior here there is that
patronising stupidity that we should take all our lead from "offshore"
Brands are one thing

Aus made Holdens and Fords were great Cars

I don't think when it comes to manufacturing and its real importance
people fail to realise the course they are setting for this Country?

The Owen Submachine Gun and the Repco Brabham
are my two favourites of Australian industrial Design

The story behind them is as important as the technical superiority they had for their time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Gun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabham_BT24

http://youtu.be/Km65jQdT8V8

Formula 1: Nurburgring 1967 Race Review

What went wrong? Was that not enough of an example?

You can only create and environment for manufacturing when you
are a "technical nationalist" and "patriot"

Our political leaders will whine about branding while ignoring
all the hurdles they put up

and the focus in western society is on bribing with welfare for votes
instead of tax breaks for "Research and Development" on shore

Maybe they were the days when we truly were a 'sovereign nation' and had to fight for everything and invested in our own country as opposed to the 'quick fix' of international financiers who ultimately pull the strings and end up effectively 'running the joint'.

[Road_Warrior]

Calling people un-Australian for having an Australian flag on their car on Oz day is going a bit too far I think, but I can see the irony. Especially as those flags are probably made in bloody china!