Turbo Installation on an AU

AU2PWR · 01-07-2007, 06:36 PM

Ok , New to the whole Turbo scene

basically , frist id need to know Every Part im going to need , and secondly , If i have to buy a specific Turbo , ..

Can anyone help ?

Cheers
Daniel

JC · 01-07-2007, 06:39 PM

Talk to Geoff at Snort Performance. What he doesn't know about turboing an AU (any Ford I6, actually) isn't worth knowing.

superroo · 01-07-2007, 06:46 PM

Ok daniel it's very simple, if you want to turbo your car, take a gun, point it at your temple, and pull the trigger.

It's not really worth doing this to your car now with the turbo b series cars, and how cheaply you can pick up the early cars.

However, if you want to do it, then you can. But won't be worth it.

The parts you will need: this is to put more than 5psi in the engine:
Turbo
External waste gate (if turbo doesn't have internal one, also used when things get serious)
Intercooler
Blow off valve
Bigger fuel pump
bigger injectors
rising fuel pressure regulator
beffed up atomatic, also likely diff
Meters of metal piping and silicon hoses
Boost controller
Either modified log exhaust manifold, or equal length header
Larger exhaust
Either decompression plate or modified engine/head
Higher poundage valve springs
Edit
oil cooler (for safety - trans, engine if you want)
Guages (not needed but better to have so you can keep an eye on things)

Thats just what i can think of now

Cheers

stiddy · 01-07-2007, 06:52 PM

Snort kits, the way to go.

full custom s/steel tuned length turbo manifold
1 x 50mm external wastegate
1 x Garrett GT 35/40r turbocharger (rated over 700hp)
1 x 50mm billet b.o.v
1 x boost referenced fuel regulator
1 x front mount intercooler (core size 600x300x75mm)
3 inch s/steel dump pipe with o2 sensor bung
2 inch s/steel screamer pipe (from wastegate)
Teflon braided oil feed lines, vclamps, oil sender t
Teflon oil drain lines gaskets and fittings
4 inch pod filter

Ontop of that:
Fuel pump, Bosch 044, Walbro 255. Surge tank if need be.
Fuel injectors, Ford Motorsport Ev2 42lb.
Intercooler piping, 3inch.... and silicone joiners.
Dump pipe mated to the exhaust.
Engine management, Edit, Haltech, Motec, Wolf.

And a good tune, can have all the best parts in the world, but a shitty tune and kill the motor in a week, or can have it tuned right and make 250rwkw for years to come.

EDIT: Superroo beat me to it. lol

AUI99 · 01-07-2007, 07:14 PM

Or you could just buy an XR6T....Waste of time and money on an AU.....

stiddy · 01-07-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AUI99

Or you could just buy an XR6T....Waste of time and money on an AU.....

UGH! your one of those types...

What if he doesnt want a BA/BF, or doesnt like the BA/BF.. maybe he wants something unique and different. Its not a waste of time or money at all.
Believe it or not ALOT of people prefer the AU over a BA/BF.. He's a car enthusiast, like most of us here, telling him to 'just get an xr6t' is bloody stupid, should be encouraging him.

IF he wanted a XR6T wouldnt you think he would go get one? rather than 'wasting his time and money'...

AUI99 · 01-07-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stiddy

UGH! your one of those types...

What if he doesnt want a BA/BF, or doesnt like the BA/BF.. maybe he wants something unique and different. Its not a waste of time or money at all.
Believe it or not ALOT of people prefer the AU over a BA/BF.. He's a car enthusiast, like most of us here, telling him to 'just get an xr6t' is bloody stupid, should be encouraging him.

IF he wanted a XR6T wouldnt you think he would go get one? rather than 'wasting his time and money'...

Hmmm okays then...Yeah well it personal choice! It would be diffrent thats for sure! Well how much do u think it's going to cost then........

private9 · 01-07-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AUI99

Or you could just buy an XR6T....Waste of time and money on an AU.....

At the end of the day, the majority of what we do is a waste of money on our cars!

Personally, I think it makes sense to go the XR6T route, but it comes down to personal preference in the end.

Plus, you'd still get a decent turbo kit setup in an AU for less than the cost of upgrading to an XR6T - and then when you're done with the car, remove the turbo setup, and sell the car as a stocker.

eXi7w0unD · 01-07-2007, 07:49 PM

go a supercharger, if not twin turbo, not 1 big turbo but 2 mASSIVE turbos that give u 1000hp plus!

stiddy · 01-07-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eXi7w0unD

go a supercharger, if not twin turbo, not 1 big turbo but 2 mASSIVE turbos that give u 1000hp plus!

Snort has a twin turbo kit, but you'd be looking at around the $6,000 not including everything to get it running.
Twin GT30r's would work nicely on the 6.

1000hp? lol doubt it..

A Vortech V1 S-trim, or a Paxton Novi 2000 would be nice to.

stiddy · 01-07-2007, 07:50 PM

For a well set up kit, parts and labour.. I'd put aside 10k.
The snort kits range between $4,000 and $5,000.
All the other stuff needed ontop, Engine management, injectors, fuel pump, cooler piping, and fiddly little things will come close to $2,500 - $3,000.
Plus labour, depending on who does it, can be from $1,800 - $3,000.

private9 · 01-07-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stiddy

For a well set up kit, parts and labour.. I'd put aside 10k.
The snort kits range between $4,000 and $5,000.
All the other stuff needed ontop, Engine management, injectors, fuel pump, cooler piping, and fiddly little things will come close to $2,500 - $3,000.
Plus labour, depending on who does it, can be from $1,800 - $3,000.

If you're patient, second hand kits pop up reasonably often for 2-3k, but you just have to know what you're buying. Alot of them have generic turbos (which aren't necessarily bad), and shocking looking custom manifolds. Bargains do pop up though.

AU2PWR · 01-07-2007, 08:20 PM

just want someing to help me see 200rwkw , dont want the Best , just something that has everything in one kit .

AU2PWR · 01-07-2007, 08:22 PM

and , i hate BA/BF Turbo , there like A55holes down in Vic , everyone has one !

onfire · 01-07-2007, 09:09 PM

Just buy an B Seires and be done with it.

GK · 01-07-2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by onfire

Just buy an B Seires and be done with it.

He's right in saying that everyone has such cars; he wants something a little individual.

GK

AUI99 · 02-07-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by onfire

Just buy an B Seires and be done with it.

Amen! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stiddy · 01-07-2007, 09:21 PM

*Throws a fridge at Onfire*
You put mags on your car and lowered it, what a waste of time and money, why dont you buy a B series and lower that

You know, buy a B series and be done with it. PFFT

AU2PWR · 01-07-2007, 09:40 PM

how many AU Turbos do you see driving around , it would be unique , not like every second XR6t i see in my area ..

Weapon of Choice - AU !

If i wanted to be a sheep i would of sold my AU and bought a BA Ages ago .. Stiddy and George know what i mean ..

bodes-sh · 01-07-2007, 09:43 PM

just go all out and stick a turbo and a supercharger on it, then it'll definitely be different, lol....go turbo, as you said they're not that common, so it's something a bit different

private9 · 01-07-2007, 09:50 PM

Sorry to take the thread off track, but how does everybody go about insurance and legalities for turbo conversion, particularly in VIC where it's VERY difficult to engineer these sort of things.

needfordspeed · 01-07-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by private9

Sorry to take the thread off track, but how does everybody go about insurance and legalities for turbo conversion, particularly in VIC where it's VERY difficult to engineer these sort of things.

Don't think i've ever heard of anyone engineering their turbo E-series or A-series cars.......

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private9 · 01-07-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by needfordspeed

Don't think i've ever heard of anyone engineering their turbo E-series or A-series cars.......

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That's what I thought!

Basically, there's a pretty massive risk of non-cover if you have a stack and insurance gets wind of the turbo....

AU2PWR · 01-07-2007, 09:50 PM

dont care how many people cry about it , i hate BA's so AUs are the ONLY Weapon of Choice

private9 · 01-07-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AU2PWR

dont care how many people cry about it , i hate BA's so AUs are the ONLY Weapon of Choice

I here you mate! BA makes more sense, however I'm not a fan of them either.

Still a turbo AU is definitely unique, and would make a great sleeper!

needfordspeed · 01-07-2007, 09:50 PM

You'll need alot of time and patience, people get into this sort of thing without really knowing how hard it is, trust me, i've had a failed turbo project :P you need you budgeted amount of money plus about $2K-$3k "just incase".

Piping, exhaust (could get away with you 2.5" for 200rwkw) and tune/ECU will be the most expensive things once you get the turbo/manifold outta the way.

Don't bother with a twin turbo setup either, I think they're a waste of time on a falcon 6 unless it's for the **** factor, a single can do the same job but with less headches.

Stiddy and Superroo have got the parts down pat, 200rwkw will be a piece of once everything is bolted on and running good though.

stiddy · 01-07-2007, 09:58 PM

Engineering, unless you have a mate in the industry have fun..

Under 25 for insurance and its not in daddies name, will be a nightmare, looking at upto $4,000 a year.. Although some companies will do it for the same premium but your excess sky rockets.

private9 · 01-07-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stiddy

Engineering, unless you have a mate in the industry have fun..

Under 25 for insurance and its not in daddies name, will be a nightmare, looking at upto $4,000 a year.. Although some companies will do it for the same premium but your excess sky rockets.

How do you insure it though if it's not engineered and legal?

stiddy · 01-07-2007, 10:10 PM

Depending on the Insurance company will depend if they insure you or not. Some of them having a certificate from someone like Snort or Capa saying that its compliant and legal is enough and they wont worry about an engineers certificate.

BPXR6T · 01-07-2007, 10:56 PM

I done a turbo e series not long ago with a snort stage 3 kit, $4-5K all up. $1200 of that was intercooler piping and a 3inch mandrel bent exhaust. The kit was very easy to fit. Note they have a stage 2 kit for $2500 that isn't advertised. The only difference from the stage 3 kit is that it has a log manifold and a KKK450r turbo rated at 450hp I think.

My car has been running for a few months now and is perfectly reliable. I'm running standard ecu, injectors, and pump without a problem. But I take it pretty easy, if I were going to give it a hard time then I'd invest in those components.

Would I do it again is a tough one. I'd probably just buy a BA turbo.