"Evolution ends here....." Thoughts on the VE ute

au2sw · 31-10-2007, 07:08 AM

Holden are right, the evolution ends with the VE ute in that they have ruined it altogether. From what I have seen so far, it looks like a Chev has mated with a Proton and created this abomination. The front looks like a normal VE Commodore, but the view from the rear gives the impression that your looking at an overwieght Proton Jumbuck ute. Still not sure about the overly flared wheel arches, I wasnt a fan of them when the VE was first released, and I'm not a fan of them now. And it still looks like your going to have very little visability when reversing....a problem that was made very clear in the Crewman's.
Anyway, now I've had my little rant, what do others think of it? Be interesting to hear other opinions of Holdens "most anticipated ute since the FJ"

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DBourne · 31-10-2007, 07:49 AM

well whilst i think its a stupid slogan (cos obviously their gonna have new models down the line) their marketing department has done a stellar job. i mean hell, how many threads have there been on this forum speculating about it and waiting for it to come out.

Grasshoppr · 31-10-2007, 08:12 AM

and the advert is great, even its a holden they are advertising.

walker · 02-11-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BLKPhoon

and the advert is great, even its a holden they are advertising.

I'd agree one of the best car adds I've seen, I reckon they shouldn't have skipped so may utes, or at least made an extended version

twr7cx · 31-10-2007, 09:10 AM

The ad is cool!

LeadFoot81 · 31-10-2007, 09:19 AM

Fantastic ad, has anyone seen the storage cabinet that slides on grooves in the tray? Great idea! Hats off to Holden for some innovation!

Holden seems to be moving their whole lineup towards sports/sports utility so its no surprise the ute is more 'poser' than ever, but considering the clientele its aimed at/the purpose its designed for, its a winner (as the wagon will be)

ford_gal_86 · 31-10-2007, 09:42 AM

Yeah Im not a fan of it at all. The back is like its a 'bitsa' (bit of everything.) Apparently it isn't built to hold a hell of a lot in the tray so I somehow don't think it will be popular with the tradies.

boss-290 · 31-10-2007, 09:47 AM

To be honest, I really like the look of the VE Ute in "Ute form", not sedan form.

Plus, their marketing flogs everyone and everything in its path.

Conrad · 01-11-2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by boss-290

To be honest, I really like the look of the VE Ute in "Ute form", not sedan form.

I didn't know they made a VE Ute in "Sedan form"

Why wasn't i informed?!??!

**Stav** · 01-11-2007, 12:34 AM

I saw one today and it looked like a cupboard on its side with wheels.It looks too boxxy. Talk about payng out on the au ford.The new ute should have been used as an anchor for a boat.

dave289 · 01-11-2007, 01:08 PM

lets just face the facts.tha best thing about the ve ute is the commercial.

irlewy86 · 31-10-2007, 10:18 AM

I absolutley love it Holden is the pop star of car makers. Even when they release absolute ****, people just jump on the bad wagon.

Holden means a great deal to the bean counters at GM

2fishingdogs · 31-10-2007, 10:23 AM

If "Evolution ends here....." does that mean it's the last one?

: or just false advertising

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uranium_death · 31-10-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 2fishingdogs

If "Evolution ends here....." does that mean it's the last one?

: or just false advertising

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I think the "Evolution ends here" throwaway is suggesting that a ute of the highest standing has realised, making everything else the equivalent of amoebas.

Holden once again have done a very good job at advertising.

Pity I don't like the look of the ute.

Funnily, I still prefer the Ford advertisement with Mr Frothy and the Metrosexual being pulled over for being alive.

Rodp · 31-10-2007, 10:26 AM

I think the ute looks great.

Ives · 31-10-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

I think the ute looks great.

The ute and sportswagon looks great.

XCSEDAN · 31-10-2007, 10:29 AM

the ute looks crap IMO!
it just looks all wrong, its like they mixxed sharp and rounded lines together.. seriously WTF??

F6T · 31-10-2007, 11:18 AM

the add is great. they look OK front on (and from certain angles) but side on and from the rear they look terrible. don't like the taillights how they wrap around the sides at the rear. Also, the rear end is jacked up too high. the look just doesn't flow.

Not my cup of tea.

all4ford · 31-10-2007, 11:29 AM

The ad is great and I like the new ute. I absolutely love the new Maloo. Well Done Holden/HSV!!

**Raptor** · 31-10-2007, 11:33 AM

Holden marketing as usual have done a great job, though the slogan is a bit dumb, it will continue to evolve.

I think Holden have done a good job with the VE and the ute is no exception. I still believe utes should have the tray integrated with the cab and not be a bolt on extra. Sorry Ford.

The VE includes some new features such as the below tray storage areas and they have firmly declared it's a sports ute and are not pretending it's anything else. So in that sense have left the tradey market for the Rodeo and are not trying to fill two markets with the one model, unlike Ford. Everything things from the RTV to XR and GT-like models are all based on the same leaf sprung platform, which can't be favouring the sports end of the market.

I do dislike the front styling treatment on the SS/SS-V models, however if the ute came in Calais spec I would sorely want one. Though I'd have a moral dilema as the V6 sucks and is a 6.0l V8 ute that would be used as a "gentlemans express" really acceptable in these times...

rapom1 · 31-10-2007, 03:15 PM

Like the looks or loath them. Its a sub 14 second car for under $40k (in SS manual form) and probably with 70% resale after 3 years to boot. No wonder there's a 3 month wait. I'd but one tomorow if dealers weren't chasing full RRP for them (because they can).

**Peuty** · 31-10-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

I still believe utes should have the tray integrated with the cab and not be a bolt on extra. Sorry Ford.

But do you understand why they have done it? Versalitility is the name of the game when it comes to designing a proper ute, not a show pony that can only take 350kg's of payload.

So when you say sorry to Ford, you are also apoligising to Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi and even holden themselves when they created theier own "one tonner".

Daniel

**Raptor** · 31-10-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Peuty

...So when you say sorry to Ford, you are also apoligising to Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi and even holden themselves when they created theier own "one tonner"....

No Dan. IMHO Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi have never had a ute. They had and still have small pickups. Holden had both a ute and tonner (pickup) with the H-series Holdens (70's) and previous Commodore. I really consider the AU-BA/BF Falcon ute to be a sedan based pickup rather than a ute.

vztrt · 31-10-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

No Dan. IMHO Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi have never had a ute. They had and still have small pickups. Holden had both a ute and tonner (pickup) with the H-series Holdens (70's) and previous Commodore. I really consider the AU-BA/BF Falcon ute to be a sedan based pickup rather than a ute.

Unfortunately Holden tried doing both but canned the 1 tonner as the development dollars were too much on their sales (yes I know one was IRS and the other live axle but there are other factors to consider).

The way Ford have gone means they can keep the tub as well still have their tonner, and keep their profit margins when the sales decrease.

**TUF_302** · 31-10-2007, 05:51 PM

Good add, to bad the best ute in it is the 1st one they show!

XR6_190 · 31-10-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

No Dan. IMHO Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi have never had a ute. They had and still have small pickups. Holden had both a ute and tonner (pickup) with the H-series Holdens (70's) and previous Commodore. I really consider the AU-BA/BF Falcon ute to be a sedan based pickup rather than a ute.

Mate I'm not quite sure if you actually know what a ute is?? The original idea of what a ute is, says that it is a vehicle that is as comfortable, smooth and refined in the cabin/ under the bonnet as a family sedan/ coupe but still strong enough to be used for work.
The Falcon Ute does this perfectly, comfortable cab, exactly the same as Falcon sedan from the B pillar forward, But still strong enough from the back to hold a tonne of bricks in the tray, and tow 2 tonnes behind. The Holden Ute while it definitely is car like, it isn't tough enough for real work.
The fact the tray is connected to the body is not even relevant.
As for the Japanese 'utes' (Ranger, Hilux, Rodeo etc.) They really aren't utes at all because they aren't based on sedans. So in that point you were spot on

herbs · 31-10-2007, 11:37 PM

No dropside tray option = me not buying one.

jweb · 03-11-2007, 09:08 PM

Holden sure have left everyone else in the "stone age"

-I mean V8's still pushrods,60/40 split rear seats,Xenon lights,VVti,(sarcasim by the way).Such an technologically advanced car,the competion is in the stone age

.Holden engineers are people who do not think about practical appliactions of their designs,eg handbrake,eg Number plate being on the tailgate of the ute-meaning to carry anything longer than the tray (legally),you need another number plate or,need to remove the number plate and tie it on some how.

BammasAUIIIXR8 · 31-10-2007, 03:54 PM

Thanks AU2SW - I knew it was fugly but couldn't quite put my finger on what it reminded me of.

'overwieght Proton Jumbuck' sums it up perfectly !!!

t2te50 · 31-10-2007, 06:30 PM

Saw one today and looks pox. Falcons look heaps tougher with the tray segregated from the cabin. Had 1 ton of steel in the back of the company xr6 ute the other day! I think their only rated at 600kg or something. Built ford tough.