Woman strangled by her hijab on a go-kart

charles_wif_xf · 09-04-2010, 11:31 AM

A woman has been strangled to death by her hijab as it got tangled up by the axle... I'm not even going to comment on the absurdity of this.

http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/family-...0408-rvci.html

StrokedXT · 09-04-2010, 11:34 AM

The owners will probably get massive fines and be held liable, but if they had asked her to remove it for safety reasons or not let her n the kart they would have had everyone saying they are discriminating.

Its a tragic accident and workcover and the cops will want to blame someone and it will be the operators.

aussie muscle · 09-04-2010, 11:35 AM

i'd say they (age) are just trying to get 'points' against the muslim community.

OLDFORDNUT · 09-04-2010, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aussie muscle

i'd say they (age) are just trying to get 'points' against the muslim community.

thats just plain rediculous,grow up

charles_wif_xf · 09-04-2010, 11:38 AM

Any loose clothing on a go-kart or motor bike is asking for trouble, no matter how many guards you fit.

But I agree, the owner of the venue will be held liable, even though they did nothing wrong, it's beyond messed up.

gtxb67 · 09-04-2010, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by charles_wif_xf

Any loose clothing on a go-kart or motor bike is asking for trouble, no matter how many guards you fit.

But I agree, the owner of the venue will be held liable, even though they did nothing wrong, it's beyond messed up.

there are two parties
one is an ignorant person, who should have known better, but obviously didn't
one is a business making money from a potentially dangerous activity. we could expect that the owners and/or workers at the time, would have known about the dangers of a scarf on a go kart

i am sorry, but i cannot see how the go kart track did nothing wrong - they should at the very least have advised her not to go on with the scarf. i mean if all of our resident experts here knew about the dangers, then the go kart track must surely have known

as for common sense - there is no such thing. we only learn from previous experience be it ours or someone elses. i have heard about many cases about people getting scalped/or injured from hair and clothing getting caught in machinery. maybe this lady and her family had not. for sure though, the go track track in question should have

kermey · 09-04-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gtxb67

i am sorry, but i cannot see how the go kart track did nothing wrong - they should at the very least have advised her not to go on with the scarf.

How do you know they didn't.
Terrible accident.

gtxb67 · 09-04-2010, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kermey

How do you know they didn't.
Terrible accident.

i do not, but that is the very least. if she refused to remove the scarf, then they should have refused her money

there have been many times at go kart tracks when someone has dislodged a tyre and you come around a blind corner to find a tyre on the racing line (try hitting a tyre at full speed and see how much it disturbs your vision and arms etc. for a lap or two). that to me is an acceptable risk. i know driving a kart is potentially dangerous and each track i have been to has warned us of this before we get on

loose clothing (and i do not know just how loose it was), is another matter. that is not an acceptable risk. it can be downright dangerous - and all of the tracks i have been on warn us of it. maybe the track workers did warn her. maybe the scarf was tucked in and came loose, but if it was always loose and nothing was done, then that is not an accident - that was an accident waiting to happen

Stefan · 09-04-2010, 06:54 PM

The religious angle aside (but great fodder for a media beat up) this could have been your wife / daughter / son, who may not be mechanically minded or receptive to the danger of moving machinery.

I could imagine my wife trying to wrap a scarf around my son's neck to ensure he doesn't catch a cold. This is when the operator should step in and exercise his professional duty of care.

GTWHOA · 09-04-2010, 11:41 AM

Poor lady she should not have been let on with dangly loose clothing.

StrokedXT · 09-04-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LTD54L

Poor lady she should not have been let on with dangly loose clothing.

Can you imagine if they asked her to remove it or said she couldnt use the karts.

Neeek · 09-04-2010, 11:43 AM

Tragic. You'd hope that a woman wearing a hijab would have some common sense, though. I mean really, a long scarf on a go-kart or motorbike is asking for trouble. It's like when you approach the paper shredder at work wearing a tie... you make DAMN sure it's out of the way before you shove the paper in. Common sense.

But as you might expect, the owners will get taken to the cleaners - right or wrong.

MAV50L · 09-04-2010, 11:43 AM

The way this country is now if they didnt let her on they would have been prosecuted for descrimination.

4Vman · 09-04-2010, 11:45 AM

The kart track owner will get sued and possibly loose...
Worksafe will investigate and fine them, then the insurance companies will take their swipe and premiums for kart tracks and other motorsport facilities will get altered with clauses preventing any form of clothing other than a "stig" suit...
Track hire costs will go up.. insurance costs will go up, people will loose interest then the track will close.
12 months later there will be riots outside a Bob Jane T Mart (everything is his fault right?) about lack of motorsport facilities...

KR1STO · 09-04-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The kart track owner will get sued and possibly loose...
Worksafe will investigate and fine them, then the insurance companies will take their swipe and premiums for kart tracks and other motorsport facilities will get altered with clauses preventing any form of clothing other than a "stig" suit...
Track hire costs will go up..

totally agree.....
track hire prices will soar now..... as if they weren't high enough already..
it's an unfortunate thing to happen.. but irrespective of religion you should not be able to wear loose clothing on the karts...

Scott · 09-04-2010, 11:58 AM

That's terrible - what an awful thing to happen to a young family on holidays. No comments from me on the "who/how/why", just a tragedy.

charles_wif_xf · 09-04-2010, 11:58 AM

And all because of political correctness...

I mourn the death of Mr Common Sense every day :(

sleek7 · 09-04-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by charles_wif_xf

And all because of political correctness...

I mourn the death of Mr Common Sense every day :(

+1 to this.

**Tucool** · 09-04-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by charles_wif_xf

And all because of political correctness...

I mourn the death of Mr Common Sense every day :(

+2 for this..

Boosh Brus · 09-04-2010, 12:13 PM

Poor women. My heart goes out to the family.

SB076 · 09-04-2010, 12:19 PM

In reading the article I never realised go karts had to be registered.

Its an unfortunate accident - unfortunately I think work cover will be looking at blaming someone for the accident and as such the go kart track operator will be in there sights.

I feel for the family involved as nothing will replace there loss.

Ghiadude · 09-04-2010, 12:33 PM

Can one of our Muslim members please explain - the hijab is there to cover the face? if so - would the helmet being worn also fullfil this purpose? Sad case as a young girl has died.

Boosh Brus · 09-04-2010, 12:37 PM

Hijab should cover everything apart from the face. Yes the helmet would probably fulfill this though the neck could be an issue. Would make sense just to tuck it into her shirt but I don't think anyone expected this. Just an unfortunate accident.

Franco Cozzo · 09-04-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosh Brus

Hijab should cover everything apart from the face. Yes the helmet would probably fulfill this though the neck could be an issue. Would make sense just to tuck it into her shirt but I don't think anyone expected this. Just an unfortunate accident.

What about a balaclava and helmet on top? When we went go karting we got given balaclavas to put on underneath our helmets, would have looked quite odd to a passerby seeing 10 guys all masked up looking sus haha.

stang65 · 09-04-2010, 01:32 PM

I think in this issue the operator would escape prosecution as the rights of the individual to retain their hijab due to religous beliefs would be sufficient grounds.

Ghiadude · 09-04-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stang65

I think in this issue the operator would escape prosecution as the rights of the individual to retain their hijab due to religous beliefs would be sufficient grounds.

One would hope so

4Vman · 09-04-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stang65

I think in this issue the operator would escape prosecution as the rights of the individual to retain their hijab due to religous beliefs would be sufficient grounds.

OH+S and the law over ride Religious beliefs....

trippytaka · 09-04-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

OH+S and the law over ride Religious beliefs....

Unfortunately, I think you're right. Although I imagine there would be lawyers frothing at the mouth to take the case on, if it goes that way.

At the end of the day it's a horrible accident and someone lost their life. I think after such a tragic event there should be moves to put down legislation that outlines when and how things like this should be handled so safety always comes first... the owner of the track would have obviously thought he/she was doing the right thing in the eyes of anti-discrimination.

MAD · 09-04-2010, 01:42 PM

An unfortunate accident and bought upon most likely by the owner not wanting to cause a stir by denying her access to the gokarts because of her religious belief.

If the operator gets sued and loses, banks/servos/milkbars/etc should ban anyone with a fully covered face from entering the shop. It's required of motorcyclists.

HTCURRY · 09-04-2010, 02:19 PM

Im muslim and went Go-Karting here in Canberra a couple of years back...and we had some female friends with us, who wore the burqa.

The manager was adamant that they wouldnt be allowed on the track unless they took it off...n that it was for their/our good.

No fuss....2 of the girls took the burqa off so they could join in the fun...and the 3rd wasnt willing to, so sat around and moped, while we had a ton of fun.

No one raised a stink...simply a case of safety...and the manager explaining the potential for mishap.

This really is a case of bad luck for all concerned. Im hoping the family will show some common sense in their grief, and not go after the owners....because in the courts they might get their day...but to me it would give the tabloids yet another stick to beat muslims with.

Just need lawyers to stay away from the family, and the authorities to use some common sense and maybe give the establishment a warning, put them on probation or something...and leave it at that.

If i am muslim, wear a burqa and purchase a bike, motor/push, and then strangle myself can i sue Yamaha or Schwinn bikes? im guessing no.