New law? - No v8/forced induction for under 25's?

[ten[A]cio[U]s]

Hi all,

I have had a few mates tell me that they are bringing in a new law to do with restrictions, as well as another forum.

Apparently anyone under the age of 25 will not be able to drive a vehicle with more then 6 cyl or is forced induction no matter their licence type?

I am hoping this is not true, but if it is would like to know before I make my next purchase (put it off this weekend in case).

Sorry if there is a thread about this already, but I could not see one.

Thanks,
Matt

[chevypower]

So no EcoBoost Falcon? Or any turbo-diesel? I hate short-sighted laws.

[charles_wif_xf]

Which state, NSW?

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by charles_wif_xf

Which state, NSW?

Of course - who else. Bloody seppos running the state now.

Matt I wouldnt worry about it - buy the thing and then you can say you had it before the law comes in, in which case you would be fine I would think.

[charles_wif_xf]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Of course - who else. Bloody seppos running the state now.

Matt I wouldnt worry about it - buy the thing and then you can say you had it before the law comes in, in which case you would be fine I would think.

LOL!!!

Now before we all get hot under the collar, has anyone got a source for this (ie the RTA or similar)???

[grandpa_spec_F6]

I know that in QLD they have amended the Learners rules which previously enabled them to drive V8 or turbocharged cars as long as they were supervised.

I would imagine that laws regarding "performance" vehicles would be the same as when the new P plate rules were introduced. Any vehicle purchased BEFORE the start date of the new laws are excempt, any purchased after are under the new ones.

Friends of mine who got their license before the P plate laws are driving around in turbo's and v8's (I was a month or so within the new laws.... *cries) so I would say as long as you bought it before they come in you should be fine, or else I'm stuffed too :(

[GS608]

Originally Posted by grandpa_spec_au

I know that in QLD they have amended the Learners rules which previously enabled them to drive V8 or turbocharged cars as long as they were supervised.

I would imagine that laws regarding "performance" vehicles would be the same as when the new P plate rules were introduced. Any vehicle purchased BEFORE the start date of the new laws are excempt, any purchased after are under the new ones.

Friends of mine who got their license before the P plate laws are driving around in turbo's and v8's (I was a month or so within the new laws.... *cries) so I would say as long as you bought it before they come in you should be fine, or else I'm stuffed too :(

Personally I think it should ONLY apply to new P-platers (those that get their licence after the law is passed), I have gone through the last 2 years craving for my XR8, I've been patient and am really looking forward to next December when I go onto my opens, If they prevent me from driving the car I have been looking forward to owning then I will be bitterly disappointed. It is absolute ******** politics. Lets hope QLD do not follow NSW lead on this.

[GTP-814]

it should be based on KW output, as a TD golf with 107KW should not be considered

[Iggypoppin']

Got a letter in the mail, as far as SA is concerned it is only applicable if you get a licence after September 4th. So anyone who already has a licence, don't
get your knickers in a twist, you can still drive high powered cars.

[grandpa_spec_F6]

I know what you mean XR-CHIEF, I purchased (albiet a Holden) my first V8 the other week and I've only got 4 months till I'm on my opens, in the mean time I've been doing it up bit by bit.

However, although it sounds unlikely, there would only be a minority of us in this situation (i.e. have bought the car before we can drive it "legally"). Trying to take V8's and turbo's off 19 - 25 year old's (the main demographic who drive them) would be like red rag to a bull.

[burnz]

this limit does not apply to n.s.w. only p1/p2 is still in effect.

[302 XC]

Should be based purely on HP or KW output
Some 4 cylinder cars put out alot more power than old style V8s

Vic laws had (if still current) a power to wieght ratio

[sleek7]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Should be based purely on HP or KW output
Some 4 cylinder cars put out alot more power than old style V8s

Vic laws had (if still current) a power to wieght ratio

P platers (typically 18-22) not allowed to to drive a forced induction car that has more than 125kw per tonne.

There is an exemption to this however but you have to apply for it and has to be for work purposes or similiar.

Originally Posted by Vicroads website

A vehicle which has:

a power to mass ratio which exceeds 125 kW per tonne; or
an engine capacity which exceeds 3.5 litres per tonne of the unladen mass (tare) of the motor vehicle

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...trictionsOnPs/

[barra240t]

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Licensing/...-vehicles.aspx

CURRENT QLD RULES- Not sure about the future..

[grandpa_spec_F6]

Thing about that is many skylines and v8's do fall under that category of power-to-weight, and if the nitwits in skylines (a generalisation but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade) up here in QLD are anything to judge by, I'm all in favour of keeping the restrictions on certain vehicles. I know that is irrational and bias but .... bite me

[ten[A]cio[U]s]

I don’t actually have any links or evidence sorry guys, its why I posted on here.

I am hoping it’s just a rumour or a joke, because I will a very unhappy person for yet another 2 years!

[EgoFalcon]

Its a joke, that link indicates p platers, not full license under 25 cant drive perfoamance cars. They already have pushed it with p plates, its doing crap all.

[Jason[98.EL]]

as has been asked


what state is this happening in ????

[GS608]

Originally Posted by Jason[98.EL]

as has been asked


what state is this happening in ????

Well guessing because the OP is in NSW then there.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by XR-CHIEF

Well guessing because the OP is in NSW then there.

It seems SA has it, and QLD from what I'm seeing but it only effects P-platers (as has been said above).

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by XR-CHIEF

Well guessing because the OP is in NSW then there.

yup I was thinking wangaratta for some reason not wagga wagga

sorry

[billy302]

I would vote for it.
We don't baulk at the motorcycle licence grading.
Why should car drivers be different.
There's a lot of difference between lets say a HSV Clubbie and a Hyundai Getz.
One thing they have in common, you can die in both at 120 k's.
Displaying Road craft and competence should be mandatory before you get any licence.

[bmorris]

You could almost close this thread now. Nothing has been offically announced at this point therefore the current laws stand. Full licenced drivers are safe for now.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by bmorris

You could almost close this thread now. Nothing has been offically announced at this point therefore the current laws stand. Full licenced drivers are safe for now.

Yes but the thread is asking if anyone knows if that is going to change.

[XCwillo]

What a stupid law >.>
Seriously it isnt the fact because we are young we shouldnt be able to drive high powered cars, its the fact that the majority of Hoons crash their cars and make the rest of us look bad -.-
Look at America for example, they have no power restrictions (in pretty much all states) and can drive whatever they want, BUT they HAVE to do Auto class in school. I was best mates an American exchange student for a year and he said they got driving training up their ***.
I blame Holden for making so many god damn commodores
The last words out of a P platers mouth before crashing his commodore are "Oi bru watch this hektik *****"

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by XCwillo

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I blame Holden for making so many god damn commodores
The last words out of a P platers mouth before crashing his commodore are "Oi bru watch this hektik *****"

Why do I get plenty of D/H Ford drivers trying to race me every day of the week then? The number of D/H Ford drivers out number the Commonwhore drivers 3 to 1. So don't go throwing crap at a commodore driver for this law.
By the way, I'm driving a Chrysler when this happens to.

Mods. My apologises for the abruptness, but being the owner of a Commodore, Ford and Chrysler products, I get sick and tired of the bagging that is dished out by the members on here over Commodores. They make it seem that all Commodore drivers are the same. The members on here should respect all makes of cars, regardless of it being a predomental Ford based forum.


Now that's off my chest. If you have a V8 powered car before the law comes into effect, you can drive it legally.

The same applies to Turbo powered cars. Once the law does come into effect, there are a few turbo powered cars that are exempt. Unfortunately I don't know the ones.

So I'd be buying that car of your dreams and not worrying to much

[sxckevo]

I will be quite a angry man if this happens I've waited for what feels like an etirnity and I don't want to wait any longer. With in a month of me getting my full license mid next year I will be getting a turbo or v8

[Paxton]

Riddle me this. In 1998, a V8 Falcon was at most, 185 Kilowatts. In 2010, a Stock Standard Falcon XT is 195 Kilowatts (and more if you use Premium). This logic is flawed. Yes, current V8s are more powerful, but outlawing every one of them out of hand is a little dumb. As for turbos, most European Manufacturers are using Turbos as a means of efficiency - smaller capacity, and a low pressure Turbo to make up for the shortfall. Is the ELII XR8 faster than a FG XT? Is it safer? Is it more powerful? No, it's just a V8, and therefore bad, and must be stopped. With fire, or a good weapon.

Presuming this law actually comes into fruition, it just shows how shortsighted this government actually is. They need to look at power to weight ratios, which actually do exclude some of these 'Hoon Cars', especially some Volkswagen Golfs, Saab Turbos, Volvos, and the upcoming EcoBoost Falcon, and actually allow little Johnny or Jeanny to drive Mum or Dad's new car. Just because it has a Turbo, or is a V8, doesn't mean that it is going to kill you. Hell, you can get into strife in a Corolla just as easily as you can in a V8 Falcon.

When these laws were first introduced into NSW, even the bloody Daihatsu Copen was excluded, not because it was the world's slowest convertible (and therefore a death trap in its own right), but because its measly 660cc Motor had a Turbo on it. These people running the Road Tax Agency need to research their area of expertise before they actually start legislating.

[calais]

Originally Posted by Paxton

Riddle me this. In 1998, a V8 Falcon was at most, 185 Kilowatts. In 2010, a Stock Standard Falcon XT is 195 Kilowatts (and more if you use Premium). This logic is flawed. Yes, current V8s are more powerful, but outlawing every one of them out of hand is a little dumb. As for turbos, most European Manufacturers are using Turbos as a means of efficiency - smaller capacity, and a low pressure Turbo to make up for the shortfall. Is the ELII XR8 faster than a FG XT? Is it safer? Is it more powerful? No, it's just a V8, and therefore bad, and must be stopped. With fire, or a good weapon.

Presuming this law actually comes into fruition, it just shows how shortsighted this government actually is. They need to look at power to weight ratios, which actually do exclude some of these 'Hoon Cars', especially some Volkswagen Golfs, Saab Turbos, Volvos, and the upcoming EcoBoost Falcon, and actually allow little Johnny or Jeanny to drive Mum or Dad's new car. Just because it has a Turbo, or is a V8, doesn't mean that it is going to kill you. Hell, you can get into strife in a Corolla just as easily as you can in a V8 Falcon.

When these laws were first introduced into NSW, even the bloody Daihatsu Copen was excluded, not because it was the world's slowest convertible (and therefore a death trap in its own right), but because its measly 660cc Motor had a Turbo on it. These people running the Road Tax Agency need to research their area of expertise before they actually start legislating.

You make mention of the Road Tax Agency, and their ability to reasearch their area of expertise.

IMHO the RTA have no idea what is going in any area directly relating to road safety or driver training. While im at it... I may as well add, if someone asked me and offered a vote of "No Confidence" in the RTA and the NSW Roads Minister, I'd have no choice but to support it that vote.

One only has to look at the counter-productive policy, increasing road toll, spiralling registration costs, stamp duty, road and highway surface conditions, reduced speed limits,..... it just doesn't end.

The RTA will argue that they introduced the progressive learner and provisional licensing scheme, and that it is helping to train young drivers. This system has proven to be nothing more than a cash cow for the stae government, which added no additional costs to the RTA as an organisation , and only served to narrow down and spotlight a potential cash cow through increased fines, and penalties and increased direct revenue to the RTA via more licence tests and issue fees.

I argue that they have consistently ignored every competent authority on the issue of driver training, road conditions and speed limits, and vehicle administration. Every single time a competent authority has shifted the training burden or costs back onto the RTA, these reports are shelved and never made public. However when one of the RTA's paid "experts" come along, with a thoroughly incompetent analysis of a potential issue, it gets hyped into the road toll saviour. Which when comparisons are drawn to other developed nations, the RTA's solution flies in the face of convention and real forward progress. This is highlighted by the nationwide reduction in speed limits despite a proliferation of dual carriageways, an overall reduction in driver skill because of rule mongering and petty theft in the name of 3km/h speed infractions etc......

The idea that there will more prohibited vehicles based on flawed data seems about right for the RTA, it's inline with their repeated demonstrated imcompetence...........

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Paxton

Riddle me this. In 1998, a V8 Falcon was at most, 185 Kilowatts. In 2010, a Stock Standard Falcon XT is 195 Kilowatts (and more if you use Premium). This logic is flawed. Yes, current V8s are more powerful, but outlawing every one of them out of hand is a little dumb. As for turbos, most European Manufacturers are using Turbos as a means of efficiency - smaller capacity, and a low pressure Turbo to make up for the shortfall. Is the ELII XR8 faster than a FG XT? Is it safer? Is it more powerful? No, it's just a V8, and therefore bad, and must be stopped. With fire, or a good weapon.

Presuming this law actually comes into fruition, it just shows how shortsighted this government actually is. They need to look at power to weight ratios, which actually do exclude some of these 'Hoon Cars', especially some Volkswagen Golfs, Saab Turbos, Volvos, and the upcoming EcoBoost Falcon, and actually allow little Johnny or Jeanny to drive Mum or Dad's new car. Just because it has a Turbo, or is a V8, doesn't mean that it is going to kill you. Hell, you can get into strife in a Corolla just as easily as you can in a V8 Falcon.

When these laws were first introduced into NSW, even the bloody Daihatsu Copen was excluded, not because it was the world's slowest convertible (and therefore a death trap in its own right), but because its measly 660cc Motor had a Turbo on it. These people running the Road Tax Agency need to research their area of expertise before they actually start legislating.

Agreed.

Oh well, **** happens and I have to live with it, I'm too lazy to do anything about it.