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12-04-2011, 03:14 PM | #1 | ||
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A $323 million turnaround has taken Holden back into the black for the first time in six years.
It today reports a $112 million pre-tax profit for 2010, a massive improvement over the $211 million it lost on its operations in 2009. The result comes after a huge restructuring at Fishermans Bend and despite the huge investment program to begin local production of the Cruze compact at Elizabeth in South Australia. Holden says it was helped by a boost in income to $4.4 billion, a result that came as a result of both the third-highest local sales on record and an increase in its export earnings. It was also helped by the 15th straight year of Commodore sales leadership, as its showroom result in 2010 improved by more than 10 per cent. "Holden domestic vehicle sales were up 11 per cent from 2009, vehicle exports rose 13 per cent and engine exports were up 25 per cent. This growth was underpinned by more efficient and robust manufacturing, delivering consolidated revenue of $4.4 billion in 2010 compared to $3.8 billion in 2009," says the company's chief financial officer, Mark Bernhard. But it is the longer-term work on restructuring - what previous chairman Mark Reuss called 'right sizing' during his time in the top job at Holden - which will deliver a sustainable future for the company. “The measures we took to re-structure our organisation and reduce costs during this period saw us emerge as a leaner, more flexible automotive manufacturer," says Bernhard.
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12-04-2011, 03:20 PM | #2 | ||
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great news for the Aussie motor industry
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http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257870000F2CB0
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Also interesting about the level of R & D being done by GMHolden. I was shouted down last year about Ford out investing GMHolden in 2009. But, here is the proof. Quote:
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12-04-2011, 06:12 PM | #5 | |||
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Its not too difficult to look at some figures and wonder just how things add up. As above, and the below article http://www.smh.com.au/business/carma...412-1dc3a.html Holden spent $179 million on R & D in 2010 (and this included cruze). It just so happens that Holden got $180 million from the governments for cruze start up (from the green car fund), but this was on the proviso that they put in $3 for every $1 put in by the government (wonder where all that money went). I'm not too convinced that if Holden got $330 million ($180 mil for cruze and $150 mil from ATS), last year, then making a $112 million profit is anything to brag about. A Normal business would call it a $218 million operating loss or a $112 million profit after abnormals. At least the US government took an equity stake when they bailed out GM (altho they are still going to lose money). Here the government just keeps giving them money with no recourse. |
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12-04-2011, 04:32 PM | #7 | ||
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What did Ford do right 15 years ago to pip the commodore out of 1st place?? Factory taxi packs?
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12-04-2011, 05:21 PM | #8 | |||
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Proper full size car rather than a full size car on a mid size car wheelbase/track? Vastly more modern interior in EF as opposed to VR And offering stuff like XR6 wagon etc
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Curious ??? how can Ford make a profit when its not selling many Falcons???? or is it profit from the Euro's?????
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Sometimes the best part about banging your head against the wall is when you stop... I think the key is in both manufacturers right sizing production for the intended market, Ford did it by building less cars and with a smaller work force while Holden did it by switching from exports to building another type of car... Both manufacturers are probably right and both suit their own ends but Holden can probably justify another commodore and continued local manufacturing, with Ford i don't know so much.... Another strategic headline to blow Ford's Territory off the front page? Call me cynical but you can almost set your watch by Holden.... Last edited by jpd80; 12-04-2011 at 05:32 PM. |
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http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/new...lion_in_black/ The headline has changed since I wrote my first reply. Originally it said "Holden $323 in the black" My comment was Quote:
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12-04-2011, 05:42 PM | #16 | |||
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They also do a lot of engineering work for other Ford models and sell a large amount of imported cars. |
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12-04-2011, 05:55 PM | #17 | |||
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Hopefully that won't drag down earnings for 2010 to red ink. 2011 so far has been a disaster and i'd assume Ford will lose money for the year, as the new models and engines will come too late to turn it around for the year. If everything fires 2012 should be a good one. It makes me laugh how some people think Holden are so successful when this is the first or 2nd? profit in 6 years. |
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http://www.caradvice.com.au/114781/g...ars-of-losses/
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12-04-2011, 07:26 PM | #20 | ||
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Ford is highly likely to have made a profit this year thanks mainly to their imported vehicles, which are MUCH cheaper now (both for the consumer and FoA) thanks to the strong Australian dollar.
The local manufacturing arm (Falcon/Territory) has probably made a significant loss given the current state of sales. |
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12-04-2011, 10:19 PM | #21 | ||
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There were many imported cruze cars sold at high profits I would think in this past year!
Now they are making them here, there will be LESS profit surely! |
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12-04-2011, 10:25 PM | #22 | ||
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So are these car makers not measuring their finances and profits on a financial year basis? The way these articles are talking is as though its done on a calendar year basis.
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I am pretty sure (but am open to correction), that there is no requirement for a company to end their financial year at end of June each year. Just needs to be done yearly. Most chose july to june for ease, but even some of the companies on the ASX close out at end of sept each year for example. |
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12-04-2011, 11:04 PM | #24 | |||
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Japanese financial year ends in March... |
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12-04-2011, 11:06 PM | #25 | ||
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Press release states "Announcing the 2010 result today with the release of an incomplete set of numbers" which means the end figures could mean anything.
Also they have cut their work force down by around 1500. 1500 x $50k per annum equates to $75m. Add to this they had the Eizabeth plant on 1/2 wages for the bulk of the year and this could just add to more Holden spin.....
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13-04-2011, 08:22 PM | #26 | ||
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Fords numbers should be out next week, and from all reports will be profit, but we'll wait and see.
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13-04-2011, 11:17 PM | #27 | ||
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yes have heard a pretty decent profit... but yes, it's a wait and see.
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14-04-2011, 12:16 AM | #28 | |||
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Ford have been saved by their imports. By all accounts their local manufacturing arm should be deep in the red. |
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14-04-2011, 05:57 AM | #29 | |||
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The drop in Falcon sales really became noticeable from late November onwards. I doubt this will affect their 2010 result much at all, they may even Match Holden... It's kind of funny, Holden does $4.4 billion in revenue yet people assume that they only made $112 million profit...that's creative accounting at it's best. Ford and Holden have been at this for years with inter company transfers, a lot of the profit on vehicles and power trains stays with the originator.... |
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