Vfacts Jun 2011

Resurrection · 02-07-2011, 09:35 AM

Delivery of the new Territory commenced late June so should see an increase.

charles_wif_xf · 02-07-2011, 11:29 AM

We'll find out Monday I guess.

MrZ · 02-07-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by charles_wif_xf

We'll find out Monday I guess.

Monday? I thought sales figures are released on the 3rd working day of each month. That would be Tuesday.

Archilino · 02-07-2011, 12:46 PM

Posted in another thread there was about 1600 Territory units sold in June.

charles_wif_xf · 02-07-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Archilino

Posted in another thread there was about 1600 Territory units sold in June.

No f...ken way???

Resurrection · 02-07-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Archilino

Posted in another thread there was about 1600 Territory units sold in June.

Sold to dealers. How many of these have been onsold to customers? I would wait a few months to see if this is the new trend.

burnz · 02-07-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

Sold to dealers. How many of these have been onsold to customers? I would wait a few months to see if this is the new trend.

vfacts means registered, dealer/owner is the gray area..

vztrt · 02-07-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

Sold to dealers. How many of these have been onsold to customers? I would wait a few months to see if this is the new trend.

There will be demos, but there will also be registered pre-orders.

**Fordman1** · 02-07-2011, 03:40 PM

Sold to customers is closer to 600.

Lets see what happens next month.

Archilino · 02-07-2011, 01:19 PM

According to other posters many would be dealer registered with a 50/50 SYII and SZ split but hey a sale is a sale!

Archilino · 02-07-2011, 01:23 PM

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2011...from-gas-25549

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The rumour circulating the Ford stand at Jeff's Shed spelled good news for the local manufacturer. For its first month on sale, the new SZ Territory has sold — reportedly — around 1600 units, which is a monthly figure rarely seen since the halcyon days of 2004.

Falcon sales are still awaiting a boost from the large car's advanced new LPG delivery system however. Ford has previously declared that the lack of any kind of alternative fuel system in the Falcon range was hurting sales.

"We had a good month this month [June]," answered Bob Graziano, Ford Australia's president, when that point was made after his presentation at AIMS this morning.

"I think if you look at where the [large car] segment has gone over the last 10 years... and the fact that we haven't had the LPI, so we're keenly looking forward to having that vehicle back in the portfolio. We also do not have a wagon in the Falcon anymore... we've got the Mondeo wagon.

"So we're continuing to look at where we go with Falcon; we think we've got the right powertrain combination to keep people in the large car segment, because we give them fuel-efficient powertrains: LPI as well as the EcoBoost in the new year."

The Ford president wouldn't discuss a sales split for the new LPG system, versus total Falcon sales.

phillyc · 02-07-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Archilino

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2011...from-gas-25549

Archilino, thanks for the link.

Well, ~1600 sales is a real burst. Hopefully that momentum will be maintained.

~1600 sales is equal to about 2% market share on it's own!

Wonder how close to 10% market share Ford will be in June?!

Interesting, that ~1600 SZ Territory may well beat the Falcon for sales. But what that also means is that 1 in 10 sales of Falcons this year has been a supercharged Miami V8! (FPV sales are included in the respective sedan / ute sales).

Now, if only Ford would build a very high percentage of LPI to cater for the potential backlog. But, no they've decided not to. Just the same percentage as what was before... Lets hope they change their mind. Better to get a big rush of EcoLPi out there and reduce supply of petrol (to eat into the oversupply).

I hope it is a good month for locally made cars, in particular the local Fords and a good month for the imported Fords.

Gobes32 · 03-07-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

Now, if only Ford would build a very high percentage of LPI to cater for the potential backlog. But, no they've decided not to. Just the same percentage as what was before... Lets hope they change their mind. Better to get a big rush of EcoLPi out there and reduce supply of petrol (to eat into the oversupply).

EcoLPI is due to enter production build mid July I think I read somewhere else in the forum.

phillyc · 03-07-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

EcoLPI is due to enter production build mid July I think I read somewhere else in the forum.

Correct. I posted that info in the EcoLPi thread.

EcoLPi is being built. The offical sale / launch date is 19th July.

My concern is that Ford have decided to build only 10%-25% LPi engines. There has been no reason given (ie tank or part supply) why they aren't ramping up more. Essentially they are just doing what they always did.

To me, that is just foolish. There is a well documented backlog of petrol powered Falcons about. But there has been no LPG cars for 8 months. At the same time, it has been stated by Ford that between 20-25% of Falcons were E-Gas. Some have said 40% in the ute.

Potentially there is 2 (8 months x 25%) full months worth of backlog (if alternate vehicles haven't been bought) for the EcoLPi. Build 50-75% of Falcons (sedans and utes) as EcoLPi for 2 months and get the stock out there. This will help reduce the petrol backlog and potentially satisfy / translate to lots of LPG sales.

Priced at $2500 premium less a $2000 rebate that is a very good price. Even without a rebate, fleets will make the money back in double quick time.

Hally · 03-07-2011, 12:11 PM

Can you confirm if the price premium of EcoLPi is on top of regular retail price?

If so, on the assumption that the standard pricing ona XR6 is $42.000(?) plus $2500 for LPi, that is quite a price differential from current drive-away pricing.
It really worries me that if Ford have trouble shifting XR6's at $33 - 35K what it is going to be like trying to shift EcoLPi's at full whack, regardless of how good the system is? A $8,000 pirce difference buys a lot of fuel.

I presume fleet buyers would be getting great pricing though.

JPFS1 · 05-07-2011, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

Correct. I posted that info in the EcoLPi thread.

EcoLPi is being built. The offical sale / launch date is 19th July.

My concern is that Ford have decided to build only 10%-25% LPi engines. There has been no reason given (ie tank or part supply) why they aren't ramping up more. Essentially they are just doing what they always did.

To me, that is just foolish. There is a well documented backlog of petrol powered Falcons about. But there has been no LPG cars for 8 months. At the same time, it has been stated by Ford that between 20-25% of Falcons were E-Gas. Some have said 40% in the ute.

Potentially there is 2 (8 months x 25%) full months worth of backlog (if alternate vehicles haven't been bought) for the EcoLPi. Build 50-75% of Falcons (sedans and utes) as EcoLPi for 2 months and get the stock out there. This will help reduce the petrol backlog and potentially satisfy / translate to lots of LPG sales.

Priced at $2500 premium less a $2000 rebate that is a very good price. Even without a rebate, fleets will make the money back in double quick time.

Phillyc, it's not just ford that have to build and balance at a certain rate, you would have to consider Orbital's capacity to increase supply without compromising quality etc.

Buntz · 08-07-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Archilino

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2011...from-gas-25549

That doesn't sound like a Ford ready to give up on Falcon... it sounds like one that's sitting down, and deciding how to fight for large cars.

charles_wif_xf · 02-07-2011, 01:34 PM

Thats impressive if true!!!
Could Falcon be knocking on 3000+ units in a few months time...?

burnz · 02-07-2011, 02:32 PM

not all doom and gloom! 1600 units is a good innings.

Smoke Pursuit · 03-07-2011, 09:53 AM

EcoLPI is on sale now so they should be building it...

Territory sales arent that impressive due to the big demo build up.. Next month will be more interesting which Id say will be around the 1000 - 1100 mark. I doubt we will see 1600 every month...

Falcon should pick up.

Gobes32 · 03-07-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

EcoLPI is on sale now so they should be building it...

Territory sales arent that impressive due to the big demo build up.. Next month will be more interesting which Id say will be around the 1000 - 1100 mark. I doubt we will see 1600 every month...

Falcon should pick up.

Remember they are in the middle of a labor reshuffle. And July would be a better indication of public takeup of the new Territory.

wsuser · 04-07-2011, 03:38 AM

cant wait

vztrt · 04-07-2011, 07:17 PM

US numbers

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/01/b...-daze-edition/

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COMPANIES
Chrysler Group 120,394
BMW Group 26,865
Ford Mo Co 194,114
Nissan NA 71,941
GM 215,358
Jag Land Rover 4,541
Toyota Mo Co 110,937
American Honda 83,892

Honda and Toyota are the biggest losers this month dropping 20% on last year. Due to the earthquake.

Resurrection · 04-07-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

US numbers

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/01/b...-daze-edition/

Honda and Toyota are the biggest losers this month dropping 20% on last year. Due to the earthquake.

What autoblog does not report:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gm-...h-605000-units

gunner · 05-07-2011, 01:40 PM

Top 10 sales by marque:

Holden – 12,827
Toyota – 12,514
Ford – 9216
Mazda – 8626
Hyundai – 8534
Nissan – 6374
Mitsubishi – 6203
Volkswagen – 5090
Honda – 4162
Subaru – 3003

Top 10 sales by model:

Mazda3 – 4212
Holden Commodore – 3809
Holden Cruze – 3387
Volkswagen Golf – 3275
Hyundai i30 – 3197
Toyota HiLux – 3066
Nissan Navara – 2267
Toyota Corolla – 2152
Ford Ranger – 2148
Mitsubishi Lancer – 2061
12. Ford Falcon - 1847
14. Ford Territory - 1634

gunner · 05-07-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gunner

Top 10 sales by marque:

Holden – 12,827
Toyota – 12,514
Ford – 9216
Mazda – 8626
Hyundai – 8534
Nissan – 6374
Mitsubishi – 6203
Volkswagen – 5090
Honda – 4162
Subaru – 3003

Top 10 sales by model:

Mazda3 – 4212
Holden Commodore – 3809
Holden Cruze – 3387
Volkswagen Golf – 3275
Hyundai i30 – 3197
Toyota HiLux – 3066
Nissan Navara – 2267
Toyota Corolla – 2152
Ford Ranger – 2148
Mitsubishi Lancer – 2061
12. Ford Falcon - 1847
14. Ford Territory - 1634

Hmmmm.... The above numbers were taken from CarAdvice.com.au and the following are from drive.com.au.

Any idea why there a discrepencies???

Mazda3 ... 4212
Holden Commodore ... 3809
Holden Cruze ... 3387
Volkswagen Golf ... 3275
Hyundai i30 ... 3197
Toyota Corolla ... 2152
Nissan Navara 4x4 ... 2078
Mitsubishi Lancer ... 2061
Mazda2 ... 1907
Toyota HiLux ... 1895

MrZ · 05-07-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gunner

Hmmmm.... The above numbers were taken from CarAdvice.com.au and the following are from drive.com.au.

Any idea why there a discrepencies???

Mazda3 ... 4212
Holden Commodore ... 3809
Holden Cruze ... 3387
Volkswagen Golf ... 3275
Hyundai i30 ... 3197
Toyota Corolla ... 2152
Nissan Navara 4x4 ... 2078
Mitsubishi Lancer ... 2061
Mazda2 ... 1907
Toyota HiLux ... 1895

These figures are only for the 4x4 ute versions. It's a common thing with reporting these figures - I don't know why anyone would list the 4x4 versions separate from the 4x2.

Mad_Pom · 05-07-2011, 03:06 PM

4x4 and 4x2 are different segments in the VFACTS report, so if you are lazy and do not add two numbers together, they can be incorrectly reported.

phillyc · 05-07-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad_Pom

4x4 and 4x2 are different segments in the VFACTS report, so if you are lazy and do not add two numbers together, they can be incorrectly reported.

Haha that's funny. Just shows how lazy DRIVE are...

Rodge · 05-07-2011, 01:56 PM

Just a thought Trev. Taking into account that vehicles are made up of hundreds of components from all over the country would you be comfortable buying a new car from Japan now ? Are they being honest with their own people regarding the radioactive fallout from the Fukashima plant ?

Run a gigacounter over your new Toyota from Japan before accepting delivery folks ?