Must provide RWC to buyer to sell a car? VIC

foret900 · 30-01-2012, 02:32 PM

Not sure if things had been changed. When I looked on market last year to buy mine, I still saw many private cars without RWC. But when I am tring sell my old one today, I realized I must provide RWC?

**GasoLane** · 30-01-2012, 02:44 PM

From what I understand if it's registered you need one, if it's unregistered you don't.

A quick phone call to Vic Roads would tell you for sure.

ratter · 30-01-2012, 02:46 PM

you can hand the plates in to vicroads and sell it without a rwc, it has been this way for quite a long time, although many do things incorrectly

hardlynormal · 30-01-2012, 02:48 PM

yeah, some people will sell the car under the impression that the buyer will get a RWC within 30 days and transfer the car.
normally with cars that are going to fail a RWC and cost the original owner a packet.

Powdered Toast Man · 30-01-2012, 04:51 PM

Yep if it's sold registered you need a rwc to transfer rego. If you sell unreg then no need to do a transfer and hence no rwc. New owner would then have to get their own rwc to get it registered.

Like hardlynormal said, many sellers still sell with reg but without rwc assuming the buyer will pay for and organise the roady so the reg can be transferred. Bit of a risky practice if you ask me, for both parties involved.

BPXR6T · 30-01-2012, 07:10 PM

Powdered Toast Man. Genuine question, can you explain why its risky? I've sold my last two cars with rego and no RWC. I've been doing the rego transfer papers and taking a photo of the buyers licence. So if they drive it all over the place and get fines etc I can prove I wasn't driving. What risk am I exposing myself to?

foret900 · 30-01-2012, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BPXR6T

Powdered Toast Man. Genuine question, can you explain why its risky? I've sold my last two cars with rego and no RWC. I've been doing the rego transfer papers and taking a photo of the buyers licence. So if they drive it all over the place and get fines etc I can prove I wasn't driving. What risk am I exposing myself to?

Cool. One question, how do you fill the RWC section in the transfer form? There's a "No" option but it reads not a valid option. Thanks.

Powdered Toast Man · 31-01-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BPXR6T

Powdered Toast Man. Genuine question, can you explain why its risky? I've sold my last two cars with rego and no RWC. I've been doing the rego transfer papers and taking a photo of the buyers licence. So if they drive it all over the place and get fines etc I can prove I wasn't driving. What risk am I exposing myself to?

Maybe risky wasnt the right choice of word, more stressful or annoying if you sell to somebody who doesnt get the roady and is driving it still in your name. Sure you might be able to prove it wasnt you and that you sold it, but you haven't actually completed the legal transfer as you need the rwc info to complete the form.

Auslandau · 30-01-2012, 09:13 PM

Bought and sold heaps with rego and no RWC .......

A car needs to be transferred to another persons name with a current RWC and transfer form. Who gets the RWC, buyer or seller is not stipulated.

Only once I copped parking fines from the previous buyer (only 6 months ago) ....... was sorted out in 2.5 seconds on the phone stating when the transfer was signed and received a letter saying that the fines were withdrawn after they checked with Vic Roads.

SumoDog68 · 30-01-2012, 09:54 PM

Better question is why would someone buy a registered car without RWC - there is no such option in VICROADS transfer form - i ve always provided RWC with every car i ve sold .
I have noticed that quite a few people advertise registered cars without RWC with excuses like lack of time to get one even if it is obvious that some mods on their cars might be questionable.

SumoDog68 · 30-01-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Bought and sold heaps with rego and no RWC .......

A car needs to be transferred to another persons name with a current RWC and transfer form. Who gets the RWC, buyer or seller is not stipulated.

Only once I copped parking fines from the previous buyer (only 6 months ago) ....... was sorted out in 2.5 seconds on the phone stating when the transfer was signed and received a letter saying that the fines were withdrawn after they checked with Vic Roads.

You obviosly havent read Vicroads transfer form as it clearly states that seller provides RWC when selling registered car.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...erform0911.pdf

Auslandau · 30-01-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

You obviosly havent read Vicroads transfer form as it clearly states that seller provides RWC when selling registered car.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...erform0911.pdf

Yes it does say that the seller provides the RWC. ..... but for the purpose of a vehicle transfer ....... the buyer only needs to hand over a RWC with the transfer at VR. Who gets the RWC does not matter to VR .... it is not a dodgy way to do things ..... quite a legitimate (actually illegal? Don't know but have discussed it at VR and they literally do not care as long as all the paperwork is legit. There is no way of getting a transfer without the RWC.

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Better question is why would someone buy a registered car without RWC - there is no such option in VICROADS transfer form - i ve always provided RWC with every car i ve sold .
I have noticed that quite a few people advertise registered cars without RWC with excuses like lack of time to get one even if it is obvious that some mods on their cars might be questionable.

Because it is an option for a better negotiation on price. I have bought $800 cars registered. Saves the hassle of re registration and I would not have bought the car with a RWC or un registered and the seller would not have sold it with a RWC for various reasons.

Each to their own ...... if you don't want to do it for what ever reason ..... don't. Easy.

SumoDog68 · 31-01-2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Yes it does say that the seller provides the RWC. ..... but for the purpose of a vehicle transfer ....... the buyer only needs to hand over a RWC with the transfer at VR. Who gets the RWC does not matter to VR .... it is not a dodgy way to do things ..... quite a legitimate (actually illegal? Don't know but have discussed it at VR and they literally do not care as long as all the paperwork is legit. There is no way of getting a transfer without the RWC.

Because it is an option for a better negotiation on price. I have bought $800 cars registered. Saves the hassle of re registration and I would not have bought the car with a RWC or un registered and the seller would not have sold it with a RWC for various reasons.

Each to their own ...... if you don't want to do it for what ever reason ..... don't. Easy.

Main reason for seller not to provide RWC on older car is the cost - costs more
then car itself in case of $800 car.
RWC tester would be very careful to issue a certificate on such a car knowing buyer would complain if some items were missed which could endanger his testers license.
In case of buyer doing the RW himself things are different as he is not going to complain to anyone and now we ve got a car that is not roadworthy on the roads.
So it is dodgy practise in my opinion.

SpoolMan · 31-01-2012, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

So it is dodgy practise in my opinion.

If the buyer and seller agree and are both happy with it, then its a good sale.
I have sold cars and the new buyer was happy to get his own RWC, as stated in an earlier post when you write up the receipt you put the time and date the vehicle taken and any tickets are not my problem.
Its the same thing a LMCT does.

We purchased my sons BA from a seller in the Country we didn't fancy another 3 hour trip back to pick the car up, so we agreed on a reduced price took the car and told the seller we would get the RWC, he was happy he didn't have to do it...

Auslandau · 31-01-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Main reason for seller not to provide RWC on older car is the cost - costs more
then car itself in case of $800 car.
RWC tester would be very careful to issue a certificate on such a car knowing buyer would complain if some items were missed which could endanger his testers license.
In case of buyer doing the RW himself things are different as he is not going to complain to anyone and now we ve got a car that is not roadworthy on the roads.
So it is dodgy practise in my opinion.

Oh dear ..... refer to DAVWAY above ..... BUT I do actually find it way way way easier to tell the RWC bloke that I just bought the car and need a RWC for it. For one ....... I know the blokes who do it so they are comfortable in doing it. Not a dodgy one either by the way. Instead of having someone coming back to them, if I was selling the car with a RWC I supplied, then having the new owner carry on like a pork chop about non RWC things which is very much a thing that happens.

I did it once ...... bought a car with a RWC, there was a few things that were bad and went back to the bloke who did the RWC. He didn't appreciate it much and I was a more of a pain to him than if I was getting my own roadie for the car I just bought. In this instance I just want the RWC so I can transfer it to my name ........ and before anyone starts ....... it is near on impossible now to get a dodgy one these days. Too much for the RWC blokes to loose.

The act of getting own RWC for transfer is not dodgy BUT if you do not have the warm and fuzzies doing it that way ...... you do not need to do it!

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Originally Posted by mik

once upon a time i might have considered a car with no RWC, but these days if i`m looking at second handy`s, and i see a car without a RWC ,to me that generally means red flag, it may have some problem/s that will cost serious dollars to fix, and also may not be immediately visible!
so i won`t even consider it, just not worth the hassle.

Yep .... agree with this too. I would prefer to buy a car with a RWC for the above reasons. Especially if the price is up there and a newer car.
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z80 · 30-01-2012, 10:52 PM

I sold a car with no RWC once.

The buyer wanted to haggle and said he would get his own RWC (windscreen,tyres etc)

So I ticked the box that said i provided him with an RWC and actually did no such thing.

It was his problem, I would just say he lost it....not my problem, he signed notice of acquisition and i got a copy.

aussie muscle · 31-01-2012, 09:09 AM

so that's why most Vic cars are sold without rego.....!!

since NSW has rwc every year, you don't need to get one just to sell the car. the buyer gets the residue of the rego transferred to himself. oh and RWC is a preset price.

Gobes32 · 31-01-2012, 09:26 AM

I once tried to sell a car with a RWC, then the certificate ran out after I didn't sell it in 28 days............ Learn't a lessson there.

z80 · 31-01-2012, 09:34 AM

As long as its not a female computer like my nagging GPS.

RedHotGT · 31-01-2012, 11:31 AM

What most people that I know have done when selling a car in VIC with Remaining REG and RWC is the following:

Firstly, take the car down to your usual/local mechanic and have them run their eyes over it telling them you're planning on selling it. Might cost ya a 6pack or ten mins of your time for him to give you a quick idea - without needing to get a RWC at that time. Then, you will have a bit of an idea as to what might need replacing (and perhaps a bit of an idea on costs).

12 Months Rego is worth say $600... so if there is 6 months left its worth $300 etc etc... and your RWC costs are approx $yyyy
Now you can advertise your car for $xxxxx with RWC and REG, or $xxxxx without (price - $yyyy RWC costs approx - $remaining REG) or close enough.

So if there is say $1000+ difference in the price, it might not help you sell the car because it will be perceived that there are issues with the car that need sorting.... I would have thought $500-$800 difference assuming there are no major issues is fair enough, though if you want the car sold and you want less headaches and running around, then a $300-$400 difference might suffice...

To avoid getting the RWC and not selling the car (as Gobes 32 described), then its sensible to wait until you have a buyer, and take a (non-refundable) deposit ($500.00) for the car. This way you know they are serious about buying the car because they've laid down some cash, and you can use that cash to get the RWC wheels turning...

If it costs you more than you thought for the RWC - then thats a bit of bad luck for you - you should have looked into it a little more - but at least you know the car is sold for the agreed price...

If the buyer pulls out - for any reason - then you've got their deposit money (or what is left) and you can continue trying to sell the car...

As for the transfer stuff - people don't really understand that Registration doesn't mean you OWN the car anyway.... its simply a contact point for someone in reference to the car. This is exactly why on VicRoads paperwork it reads somewhere Registration is NOT title of ownership (or something like that).

So - you still need a BILL OF SALE - which is more important than registration transfer paperwork anyway... At the end of the day if the rego expires you can always register the car again... but if you have no Bill of Sale or Contract of Sale... then you're going to have problems registering the car at all...

*Note* If the car has a short amount of remaining reg - or you trust the buyer, you can leave the car registered in your name anyway and let them drive away in it. Legally they're driving a registered car, even though its still registered to you. VicRoads don't like this, but it's actually not illegal...
If the buyer heads down the hume at 200km/h you will receive the fine, but all you need to do is sign the rear of the fine (or a stat dec) and nominate them as a driver - and then it's not your problem...

And if this is the case - and they are stuffing you around, then cancel the registration or report the car as stolen... but thats only a last resort if they are playing games...

Feel free to pick my response apart or correct me if I'm wrong... but the above has always worked for me and people that I know...

mik · 31-01-2012, 02:23 PM

once upon a time i might have considered a car with no RWC, but these days if i`m looking at second handy`s, and i see a car without a RWC ,to me that generally means red flag, it may have some problem/s that will cost serious dollars to fix, and also may not be immediately visible!
so i won`t even consider it, just not worth the hassle.

ZcAmbo · 31-01-2012, 05:31 PM

Out of most of the cars and truck i RWC its usally the buyer getting the rwc usally the seller knows whats wrong with the car but does not want to spend the money on it therefore selling it with out a rwc. The other few we get in are people who have just bought a car or truck with a rwc from the seller but want it checked out to make sure that rwc was not dodgy.
Ive sold quite a few cars never had a problem sold it with reg but i keep the number plates until the show me a copy of a rwc cert issued for that car then gladly hand over the plates.

**PridenJoy** · 31-01-2012, 09:30 PM

I have mostly sold cars without RWC. The rego transfer form is filled out by me and the buyer leaving out the RWC section, I take my copy along with the reciept of sale to VR, they note the new buyer in their system and the car is taken out of my name, then they send a letter to the buyer advising they have 28 days to provide a RWC. Have lost count of the number of times I have done this with no problems at all. Easy really.

OzJavelin · 01-02-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PridenJoy

I have mostly sold cars without RWC. The rego transfer form is filled out by me and the buyer leaving out the RWC section, I take my copy along with the reciept of sale to VR, they note the new buyer in their system and the car is taken out of my name, then they send a letter to the buyer advising they have 28 days to provide a RWC. Have lost count of the number of times I have done this with no problems at all. Easy really.

According the the VicRoads transfer form:
"(seller must) give the buyer a RWC issued in Victoria no more than 30 days before the date of sale"
"(buyer) must submit this form with the relevant documents (eg. RWC) and applicable payment within 14 days of sale"
"Date of Sale - refers to the date of transfer or delivery, when the buyer acquires the vehicle from the seller"
The RWC is valid for 30 days, but the documents must be presented within 14 days .. unless you don't write the date on the form when the car is handed over .. which means "technically" any offences incurred are "technically" the original owners problem ..

From your description sounds like it's all a bit rubbery?

Transferring a registered car without a RWC might have been OK years ago - basically a gentlemans agreement - but these days I just hear too many stories of people never bothering to transfer rego into their own names. Too much to lose for to little cash-in-hand benefit for me. Probably explains why I haven't sold a registered car privately for about ten years?

SPArKy_Dave · 01-02-2012, 01:42 AM

I've bought two Fords, (incl, my EL V8 wags) from car yards, with Reg, minus a RWC, and fixed the issues myself, as I wanted to used genuine parts, and be sure that the problems were fixed to my standard, not to a car yard's 'cheapest way possible' standard.

I can state, that if Vicroads doesn't get a RWC, and the seller has handed in their copy of a transfer form,
Vicroads will then send a letter of Demand to you the new owner, asking for you to provide a RWC within 14 or 28 days of the letter,(can't remember which), or they will suspend the vehicles rego, until you provide them with the RWC, and pay them the transfer fees.

Thats definitely what happens.

I always rather buy cars with Reg, as it's $$$, and time, to go through the Vicroads re-reg process, plus then the reg and number plate isn't original any more, and it's $$$, to get the original number back, if you can get it.

AND generally, RWC's are ALWAYS more expensive, for the PRIVATE seller of a car, as the tester will be more pedantic, as opposed to them knowing that you're the new owner of the vehicle.
It's an unwritten rule of sorts.

(note, it's a different kettle of fish, for dealers, with an in-house RWC licence, or small dealers, with tie's to a 3rd party mechanics business, with whom they may do 'deals', to ensure repeat business.)

ZcAmbo · 01-02-2012, 10:30 PM

You can still transfer a registered car into another name with out a rwc but you have 28 days to supply a rwc or the registration on the vehicle will be suspended by vic roads until a rwc is produced.

Boza · 02-02-2012, 08:54 AM

I've sold a few with reg but no rwc I just hand the paerwork in at vicroads and they say thats fine the car is out of your name simple as that

also bought a car once with no rwc and previous owner did the same got a letter from authorities saying I have 30 days to provide rwc

BPXR6T · 02-02-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Boza

I've sold a few with reg but no rwc I just hand the paerwork in at vicroads and they say thats fine the car is out of your name simple as that

also bought a car once with no rwc and previous owner did the same got a letter from authorities saying I have 30 days to provide rwc

I've never actually done this but think I will with the car I'm selling at the moment. I'm selling it with a few months reg so they can drive it away and run around to get little bits for the RWC if needed. I'll tell them when I pick up the car they'll have 30 days. Thanks.

foret900 · 06-02-2012, 03:21 PM

OK. Someone drove my car away without RWC, left cash on my hand fully paid. I thought and told him it shouldn't cost lot for RWC, as I got a good service last year replacement windscreen brake pad etc. But buyer phoned me 2 days later that Kmart asked him 1600 for RWC, while he only paid me 2000. I felt so guilty as if I was cheating him with a lemon. I told him to drive back to get money back. The next day, he texted me he would keep it as he was tired of seeking next and he really needs one at the moment. Might be a lession to everyone.

Auslandau · 06-02-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by foret900

OK. Someone drove my car away without RWC, left cash on my hand fully paid. I thought and told him it shouldn't cost lot for RWC, as I got a good service last year replacement windscreen brake pad etc. But buyer phoned me 2 days later that Kmart asked him 1600 for RWC, while he only paid me 2000. I felt so guilty as if I was cheating him with a lemon. I told him to drive back to get money back. The next day, he texted me he would keep it as he was tired of seeking next and he really needs one at the moment. Might be a lession to everyone.

What's the lesson? Buyer beware?