Ford to replace 2.0-liter EcoBoost engine after just 4 model years

[Wretched]

In an unusual move, Ford Motor Co. is phasing out its current 2.0-liter EcoBoost engine after just four model years.

Ford said today it is replacing the engine with a new 2.0-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder early next year beginning with the redesigned 2015 Edge. The current engine, which debuted in the 2011 Edge, will be gradually replaced in other vehicles.

The last engine in a Ford vehicle with such a short life was the 3.9-liter V-8 in the retro-styled 2002-05 Thunderbird.

Most engines have a life span of at least 10 years.

Scott Makowski, chief engineer for Ford’s large inline four-cylinder engines, said rapid improvements in engine technology led to the demise of the current 2.0, which has the highest production of Ford’s EcoBoost engine family.

The current 2.0 is offered in at least a dozen vehicles globally, such as Fusion, Focus ST, Edge, Escape, Explorer, Taurus, Lincoln MKZ and MKC in the North America, the Ford Falcon in Australia, and European cars such as the Mondeo and S-Max people mover.

The new 2.0 shares almost no parts with the current engine. It will deliver a better combination of fuel economy and power, Makowski said.

EcoBoost engines -- which feature direct fuel injection, turbocharging and variable cam timing -- have been criticized for delivering either power or fuel economy, but not both, in larger vehicles such as the Explorer and Edge.

Makowski said the new 2.0 has a new block, redesigned cylinder head, Borg-Warner twin scroll turbocharger, revised fuel injectors and higher compression ratio. It weighs about 10 pounds less than the current engine.

The new head has three exhaust ports routed into a manifold that channels exhaust gas pulses from cylinders 2 and 3, and 1 and 4, separately into each scroll of the turbocharger. This reduces the time needed for the turbocharger to reach full speed. The result, Makowski said, is a more responsive vehicle.

“We don’t go backwards,” Ford's Makowski says of the company's newest 2.0-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder engine.

Photo credit: RICHARD TRUETT

Ford officials would not comment on the new 2.0’s power output, which will be rated higher than the current engine’s 240 hp and 270 pounds-feet of torque. “We don’t go backwards,” Makowski said.

The 2.0-liter EcoBoost is part of a three-engine North American lineup for the redesigned Edge. The Edge Sport will also be available with an EcoBoost engine, the new 2.7-liter V-6 that will debut this fall in the redesigned aluminum-bodied F-150, and a nonturbo 3.5-liter V-6. European versions will be offered with a diesel engine.

All engines will be combined with six-speed automatic transmissions. The new 2.0 will be available with all-wheel drive, which was not offered with the current 2.0.

Makowski said the new engine makes that powertrain combination possible because the new engine has a broader torque curve.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2014...-4-model-years

Interesting.
Isn't the 2.0 based on the Mazda decommed MZR block?

[Crazy Dazz]

EcoBoost engines -- which feature direct fuel injection, turbocharging and variable cam timing -- have been criticized for delivering neither power or fuel economy, but not both, in larger vehicles such as the Explorer and Edge.

bwahahahaha
Seriously, Blind Freddie could have seen that coming.

Wish I could be bothered digging out all those posts from a few years back where everyone lauded the EB4 and how it was going to save the Falcon.

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

bwahahahaha
Seriously, Blind Freddie could have seen that coming.

Wish I could be bothered digging out all those posts from a few years back where everyone lauded the EB4 and how it was going to save the Falcon.

I struggle to find any recent owner's post of how well their EB4 Falcons are going.
I have been recently looking at (haven't driven any) 2nd hand EB4 Falcons, but not confident to go any further due to the lack of any recent talk.
Its just too quiet about them.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Arnaldo

I struggle to find any recent owner's post of how well their EB4 Falcons are going.
I have been recently looking at (haven't driven any) 2nd hand EB4 Falcons, but not confident to go any further due to the lack of any recent talk.
Its just too quiet about them.

Which can be a good thing. There has been really no outcry of them being bad in all sized cars. Believe me ..... you will hear if the engines used 3mm of oil more than they should more so than people saying how good they are ...... in which they are. Take one for a drive and you will be (should be) very surprised. Dont forget also, even though there are not many in Falcons, they are well tested and proven engine around the world.

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

WAY to restate the obvious.

The OBVIOUS is .... the EcoBoost is a stunning little engine pushing out similar power to the I6 in both terms of 0-100 and around a track. Its these totally naive and uneducated comments and thoughts that killed off the EcoBoost in the Falcon. NOTHING AT ALL to do with how capable it actually is. Obviously you have taken a few for a spin? Great to drive, especially on a twisty road. Then jump back in the 6 and feel how much heavier near on 100 kilos up front is. Having a chuckle about it just shows the mentality of some and why it didn't sell. Actually the EcoBoost IS very suited to larger cars like the Falcon. Its just some cannot get over their own prejudices.

Yes, everyone thought it would do better than it did. The main reason ( apart from the fact no one knew about them) they didn't sell well ..... because of an ill conceived perception that proves that some have no idea.

Good to see that they are moving on with the program. The EB's are only going to get way better and exciting and Ford ARE on to something.

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Which can be a good thing. There has been really no outcry of them being bad in all sized cars. Believe me ..... you will hear if the engines used 3mm of oil more than they should more so than people saying how good they are ...... in which they are. Take one for a drive and you will be (should be) very surprised. Dont forget also, even though there are not many in Falcons, they are well tested and proven engine around the world.


The OBVIOUS is .... the EcoBoost is a stunning little engine pushing out similar power to the I6 in both terms of 0-100 and around a track. Its these totally naive and uneducated comments and thoughts that killed off the EcoBoost in the Falcon. NOTHING AT ALL to do with how capable it actually is. Obviously you have taken a few for a spin? Great to drive, especially on a twisty road. Then jump back in the 6 and feel how much heavier near on 100 kilos up front is. Having a chuckle about it just shows the mentality of some and why it didn't sell. Actually the EcoBoost IS very suited to larger cars like the Falcon. Its just some cannot get over their own prejudices.

Yes, everyone thought it would do better than it did. The main reason ( apart from the fact no one knew about them) they didn't sell well ..... because of an ill conceived perception that proves that some have no idea.

Good to see that they are moving on with the program. The EB's are only going to get way better and exciting and Ford ARE on to something.

I agree 100% and still remember your excellent write-up when you tried one out, was it in Tasmania ?

Ford N.Z. in their "infinite wisdom" only ever imported the XT model here, which is a shame as i think if they'd brought one in with a decent level of spec it could have sold quite well here with fuel @ circa $2.15 a litre.

Sometimes I wonder how many brain cells the senior managers at Ford N.Z. have between the lot of them

I hope they still give us a final shot at the Ecoboost in the FH. There's some really good value Ecoboost G6's on Car Sales, I really wish I had a bigger garage...

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Rodge

I agree 100% and still remember your excellent write-up when you tried one out, was it in Tasmania ?

...

Thanks Rog! Found the thread!

Just so people also understand, I tried on this trip to get the Falcon to read 9.0/ltr, struggled but eventually got it to 9.1. That took some going but dropped back the moment I started to drive 'normal' ..... and we drove them like they were hired cars! And that was for 300 odd k's for the day.

The thread was here and cheers

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...coBoost+launch

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

bwahahahaha
Seriously, Blind Freddie could have seen that coming.

Wish I could be bothered digging out all those posts from a few years back where everyone lauded the EB4 and how it was going to save the Falcon.

Do you own an EcoBoost? Sounds like you know it all from that post. Way to mis quote the quote too. Save the falcon, hardly, nothing was going to.

The 2L probably isnt suited for bigger cars but in my ST its pretty ample thats for sure.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Do you own an EcoBoost?

Yeah sure. I've always thought that putting the EB in the Falcon was the stupidest idea since iSnack 2.0, so obviously I was going to rush and and buy one.

Originally Posted by DJM83

Save the falcon, hardly, nothing was going to.

Go back and read the posts from a few years back, that is EXACTLY what people claimed. According to them governments and greenies everywhere were queuing up to buy them by the thousands.

Originally Posted by DJM83

The 2L probably isnt suited for bigger cars but in my ST its pretty ample thats for sure.

Wow, just wow.
WAY to restate the obvious.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Wow, just wow.
WAY to restate the obvious.

Care to give me an idea what i restated? you edited quote to say the EB motor provides neither power nor economy yeah.

Well in my car said motor produces 184kw and 360nm torque. While it isnt the most powerful in its class it is pretty much on par with most in the hot hatch class. While still delivering 8.3/100 with a generous foot, its a good mix of both i think.

Really though its hard to knock any engine for not providing power and econ. In reality you cant have both

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

bwahahahaha
Seriously, Blind Freddie could have seen that coming.

Wish I could be bothered digging out all those posts from a few years back where everyone lauded the EB4 and how it was going to save the Falcon.

So, after reading the article a few times through, I failed to see anything mentioned about the engine failing to meet expectations in the falcon...and it has copped more praise then negative criticism, about the only product it has had a poor reception is the large SUV's, such as the explorer.

In the Falcon and Taurus, it has copped nothing but praise...and I have heard similar from people I know that have driven one.

But, what do you expect, so many people happy to shoot Ford and there efforts down at every given chance, there must be some sort of internets points bonus for doing so...

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by Wretched

http://www.autonews.com/article/2014...-4-model-years

Interesting.
Isn't the 2.0 based on the Mazda decommed MZR block?

If it is explains a lot. Mazda can't build a decent engine, OK ones, but not one of the top builders.

[GASWAGON]

Gees that was a short life......Sounds like the new one is much more improved though.

[FPV GTHO]

When they spread it around so much it only makes sense to replace it sooner.

[Syndrome]

This engine would have started life when Ford had controlling interest in Mazda. Now they are separate companies, it is no surprise to hear the engine will be ditched.

[GASWAGON]

All they're doing is updating the engine to one that is of better design/fuel efficient. I dont think we can blame Ford for trying a new engine thats more sophisticated.

[Franco Cozzo]

People kept thinking about 4 cylinder Commodore when the dinosaurs were roaming the earth, they should have stopped the I6 NA production and replaced it with Ecoboost and just not told anyone, its not like people would have noticed, except for us I guess. I'm pretty sure the 2L Ecoboost has around the same amount of torque as what the I6 did and earlier, from like 1500 RPM or something.

Just leave the I6 for XR6T and F6.

Can't compare recent technology to something which was just a 6 cylinder engine with 2 cylinders gone.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

People kept thinking about 4 cylinder Commodore when the dinosaurs were roaming the earth, they should have stopped the I6 NA production and replaced it with Ecoboost and just not told anyone, its not like people would have noticed, except for us I guess. I'm pretty sure the 2L Ecoboost has around the same amount of torque as what the I6 did and earlier, from like 1500 RPM or something.

Just leave the I6 for XR6T and F6.

Can't compare recent technology to something which was just a 6 cylinder engine with 2 cylinders gone.

some of us with Falcons still like to tow.(not many) but I would of noticed!! that the only real down side to the four cylinder Ecoboost compared to a Barra 6 N/A. Ecoboost makes sense as it says you can still have a big car with four cylinder economy that has 6 cylinder performance!! it doesn't make as much Torque as the six but still makes a very impressive 353Nm vs 391Nm for the 6. I'd own one as a family car and I'd keep me ute for a tow car

[FPV GTHO]

Ecoboost has shorter gearing though, woukdve been interesting if they kept the 2.73 diff in.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by wildrider

some of us with Falcons still like to tow.(not many) but I would of noticed!! that the only real down side to the four cylinder Ecoboost compared to a Barra 6 N/A. Ecoboost makes sense as it says you can still have a big car with four cylinder economy that has 6 cylinder performance!! it doesn't make as much Torque as the six but still makes a very impressive 353Nm vs 391Nm for the 6. I'd own one as a family car and I'd keep me ute for a tow car

IIRC that 353nm is from 1500 RPM and it maintains it to like 5000 RPM or something so its got a lot of balls down low, would tow adequately.

Problem is people don't use large sedans to tow anymore, everyones got a SUV or 4x4 dual cab ute towing caravans or horse floats.

The only thing I see Falcons towing is the odd 6x4 down to the tip which a Hyundai Getz could do without breaking a sweat.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

IIRC that 353nm is from 1500 RPM and it maintains it to like 5000 RPM or something so its got a lot of balls down low, would tow adequately.

Problem is people don't use large sedans to tow anymore, everyones got a SUV or 4x4 dual cab ute towing caravans or horse floats.

The only thing I see Falcons towing is the odd 6x4 down to the tip which a Hyundai Getz could do without breaking a sweat.

that's pretty true. its rather rare now to see a Falcon towing something with a decent weight like you used to. towing wise you get the optional heavy duty towing pack with the 6 (2300kg). the EcoBoost still will tow the same amount as an auto Falcon 6 with out the heavy towing pack (1600kg). even 1600kg is still plenty for most people.

[_Ben]

Man, these comments about how the Falcon NEEDS a big engine really annoy me. I haven't driven an EcoBoost Falcon, but I'm sure they go well, and looking at the stats for them, they use stuff all fuel and make good power / torque. Protip - engines have advanced hugely, a bigger engine is not always better.

[Wretched]

Some of the comments, laughable.
The current 2.0 ecoBoost is a fantastic flexible engine.
It has been used in various applications and in all, a success (within Ford and other makes).
The Falcon whilst not a success in sales was in application. All reviews were positive.
The car felt better to drive compared to the I6, performance was on par and used less fuel, win-win.

[kypez]

I still love my EB G6E. 40,000 kms on it and hasnt missed a beat. The only reason I have the G6E EcoLPi is because Ford only rated the EB to 1600kgs for towing! Still get awesome fuel economy and its an eager motor! I love it in the Falcon. Feels much better than the I6 and the entire front end feels a lot better (obvious weight savings). If you havent driven one, then get off the computer and drive one prior to commenting.

Still averaging high 8's/low 9's in town and high 6's/low 7's on the highway. Thats fantastic for a full size sedan!

[nothin suss]

I'm going to put it out there and say an Ecoboost tows 1000kg similar if not better than my BF DLPG. And yes I've towed 1000kg with both.
Nothing wrong with the EcoBoost in the Falcon. I'm trying to talk the missus into one at the moment.

[chevypower]

I would have liked to have seen the Falcon made of aluminium with an 8+ speed ZF, and a bigger range of EcoBoost engines. Ford just built an aluminium Fusion prototype, and it's lighter than a Fiesta, so they were able to power it with just the 1.0L EcoBoost!

[blackf6]

Ecoboost GT with 2x 4 banger ecoboosts hashed together. Nice.