Holden's "V8 sports car" post 2017?

[FalconXV]

Holden have said that they will have a V8 sports car after 2017 but a right hand drive Camaro isn't gonna happen apparently. I doubt it's Corvette either- if anything that'll be an HSV ( and how will they pull that off? corvette has its own identity even to Australians , same as Camaro so they'd look out of place in Holden or HSV showrooms - plus if that's all HSV is going to do they might as well give up- it will erode their identity in such a cynical way). Plus Corvette will be too expensive to be relevant which defeats the purpose.

So if it's not Camaro, probably not Vette , then what? An Opel Monza with a Chev drivetrain? An Opel-ised Camaro? A Daewoo built car with Holden design input? Dogs that shoot bees when they bark?

Start speculating...Now.

[40RDT]

I remember reading an article somewhere that HSV are working on a turbo V6 AWD vauxhall that they quoted was quicker that the current GTS.

[Express]

Who’s to say that HSV is going to predominately stick with the GM product?

[FalconXV]

That'd be pretty cool. It'd need a pretty angry, visceral note to keep the V8 fans.
Still reckon a v8 Colorado "Maloo" would sell like hot cakes. I'm sure they could amortise development costs with an American Ss model. Maybe that's the 2-door sports car? lol

[Trump]

Speculation: Holden and Ford will cease to exist in Australia in 10 years time. Stupid pricing on Everest has added to an already negative perception in the public mind about the Ford brand.
Holden have woeful product in the pipeline bar a few good examples out of the Opel works. With zero interest or commitment from GM NA in doing factory RHD of their hero cars, it won't bode well with the Holden customer base.

[eb2fairmont]

there will be no holden rear drive v8 car.

will be buried under too hard and too expensive.

[FalconXV]

Then why would they come out making a statement to the contrary?

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by FalconXV

Then why would they come out making a statement to the contrary?

Same reason anybody lies...

[au2000]

Originally Posted by FalconXV

Then why would they come out making a statement to the contrary?

Same reason they laughed when ford announced it's departure and then said they were staying, cause in the end the $$$$$$ make the decisions

[nz13boy]

Maybe something along these lines?

[Crazy Dazz]

Obviously Holden are keen to slow the tide of people jumping off their product.
Same reason Ford got so FAR out in front promising and selling Mustangs that won't be here for yonks.
When Mr Bogan finally realises he's been sold down the river by Holden, he will stop buying Daewoos for Mr Bogan.

[FalconXV]

When has a large car company just welched on a model they confirmed in a press release? I haven't known Holden to do that, so until I see them state that it's cancelled, I'm going to believe it. They would have already had insight to the Alpha Camaro not being RHD at the time the statement was produced.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/329796/h...e-beyond-2017/

“Commodore is a Commodore, the Commodore is a four-door sedan,” clarified the international operations boss.

The answer is “no” to the coupe being a production version of the Opel Monza concept (below) too. Everything points, then, to the coupe V8 being the next-generation Chevrolet Camaro, which is currently built on a Holden Commodore rear-wheel-drive platform called Zeta, but which will die with the end of VF and current Camaro production within three years.

But we won’t see this Holden two-door V8 coupe before local manufacturing ceases. Rather it will take the sports car baton from four decades of Commodore V8 sedans.

“It will come after the factory closes,” he confirmed.

So that's quite some time after the freshly revealed Camaro.
My guess is either an RHD version of that with Holden styling themes front and rear, maybe converted in Thailand ( as XR6 Martin said in another thread- unless HSV is still a usable resource for Gmh to do this). Either way it would have to be something that requires minimal investment.
The only RHD markets are us and a niche one in UK that Vxr fills (and Mustang).


I can't see it being like the FTE converted Mustangs of 2001, they'd be priced much higher than Mustang, unless done in Asia. But that seems ridiculously convoluted and wasteful.

I'm tipping that either Alpha is design protected for RHD and they'll start after Commodore goes, or there's something else in the pipeline that's more 370Z, Toyota 86 in execution than the American as apple pie Camaro- maybe spun off the same platform.

With Hyundai building RWD cars in Korea, it's not much of a stretch to imagine the Daewoo factory pumping out something like this, if there's a global business case.

Those are the only two possibilities I think. Remember 2018 is a while away so I don't think we'll know until then.

[Luke Plaizier]

Originally Posted by FalconXV

When has a large car company just welched on a model they confirmed in a press release? I haven't known Holden to do that

... I'm looking for the sarcasm flags.

Two candidates that come to mind:

(1) The Monaro 427 - announced convincingly enough that it was allowed into a production car race, and then abandoned.

(2) 'We're going to build the Commodore in Australia until 2020' announcement, which they backflipped on when Ford announced their closure first.


Lukeyson

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

... I'm looking for the sarcasm flags.

Two candidates that come to mind:

(1) The Monaro 427 - announced convincingly enough that it was allowed into a production car race, and then abandoned.

(2) 'We're going to build the Commodore in Australia until 2020' announcement, which they backflipped on when Ford announced their closure first.


Lukeyson

Well the first was HSV, so its a bit unfair to blame Holden for that. You nailed the second though as Ford went for the triple whammy with lowest sales, the earliest plant closure and announced it all during the VF media launch day. Ford for the win there.

Somehow I think the Mustang is safe with the affordable V8 crown for a while. Chrysler is really the only one that could upset the Mustangs sales in Australia.

[FalconXV]

Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

... I'm looking for the sarcasm flags.

Two candidates that come to mind:

(1) The Monaro 427 - announced convincingly enough that it was allowed into a production car race, and then abandoned.

(2) 'We're going to build the Commodore in Australia until 2020' announcement, which they backflipped on when Ford announced their closure first.


Lukeyson

Bit spurious with the facts there. Holden building a car here was contingent on the second wave of funding between 2017-2022. The catalyst for withdrawal was the Government pulling the carpet out from underneath, then goading them during question time. This was after a long campaign to drum public indignation about co-investment in the automotive industry, that took none of the positives into account.

The 427 is a valid example to a degree; it was only going to be a limited run model. But they at least had an intention to build that, you're suggesting this is an outright lie- they have access to GM's future model plans so they know what's in the pipeline.
I'm going out on a limb and say based on the strength and certainty of the statements surrounding the "V8 sports car", that they have something picked out. They can't raise expectations like they if they have NO intention to follow through. It's bad PR.

The announcement was made in February, in a press release. They would have known Chev have no intention to make RHD Camaro at that stage because that was stated only months later. It's hard to see what the product could be, which is why I thought it would be interesting to speculate...

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by FalconXV

Bit spurious with the facts there. Holden building a car here was contingent on the second wave of funding between 2017-2022. The catalyst for withdrawal was the Government pulling the carpet out from underneath, then goading them during question time. This was after a long campaign to drum public indignation about co-investment in the automotive industry, that took none of the positives into account.

The 427 is a valid example to a degree; it was only going to be a limited run model. But they at least had an intention to build that, you're suggesting this is an outright lie- they have access to GM's future model plans so they know what's in the pipeline.
I'm going out on a limb and say based on the strength and certainty of the statements surrounding the "V8 sports car", that they have something picked out. They can't raise expectations like they if they have NO intention to follow through. It's bad PR.

The announcement was made in February, in a press release. They would have known Chev have no intention to make RHD Camaro at that stage because that was stated only months later. It's hard to see what the product could be, which is why I thought it would be interesting to speculate...

Pretty sure ford had allready announced a long allready badly kept secret they were pulling out. This meant instantly manufacturing in Aus was not viable, for Holden of Toyota......even with commadore importing just about the whole car anyway.70ish%.
They then tried to blackmail the govco for double the cash. I spose, basically you could say they had two options.....start winding down, saving cash, or money grab and spend every last penny on one last Big Bang despite the inevitable. Leaving well over a billion dollar hole behind! Hmmmmm

Either way.....all facts aside.....Holden really hasnt been a beacon of shinning light when it comes to good ethical buissiness in Aus. The above mentioned backflips and promises are only the tip of a pretty sour grape.....one that's been covered to death on this forum.
And please nobody say..."oh but they sold heaps"

[Express]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

And please nobody say..."oh but they sold heaps"

Oh but they sold heaps and heaps.

[mtbkym01]

Originally Posted by FalconXV

The announcement was made in February, in a press release. They would have known Chev have no intention to make RHD Camaro at that stage because that was stated only months later. It's hard to see what the product could be, which is why I thought it would be interesting to speculate...

Out of interest, when was Mustang pricing released? Pretty sure it was around february.

[Express]

Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

... I'm looking for the sarcasm flags.

Two candidates that come to mind:

(1) The Monaro 427 - announced convincingly enough that it was allowed into a production car race, and then abandoned.


Lukeyson

They were only ever going to build 50 Monaro HRT 427’s and it was canned because they couldn’t come up with a business plan to make it profitable.

http://www.motormag.com.au/news/1505...-427-for-sale/

http://www.motormag.com.au/features/...onaro-hrt-427/

They did eventually have another go but this time in a much cheaper and more sedate sedan form with the W427.

[Falcman0o7]

A rebadged great wall? Not far off what they do now.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Falcman0o7

A rebadged great wall? Not far off what they do now.

They could always switch suppliers from Daewoo to Hyundai, and even keep the 'H' in HSV. Hyundai seem to be making better gear than Daewoo/aka GM Korea.

[Bossxr8]

GM have officially said the Camaro won't be RHD, and they have also said the same about the Vette in the past.

Maybe it will be something else not yet released? Or something Cadillac?

[2011G6E]

Why does it have to be a V8...?

[Bossxr8]

Cause anything less is just ghey.

[Rockape]

HSV Mustang

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Rockape

HSV Mustang

Walkingforsure Mustang.

[XR Martin]

[Terror_Tree]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

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That's the hairdressers sorted, what about everyone else?

[GTP-RPD]

I dunno boys. Holden is only one arm of the GM family. Rumour has it Chevrolet will appear as a dealer with 6 new models not currently on sale in Australia to begin with. Also the Corvette plant is getting some major upgrades.

Quote:
The Corvette is one of Kentucky’s most-cherished icons,” said. Lt. Gov. Crit Luallen. “Such a significant expansion of the Bowling Green Assembly Plant will help the company remain competitive in the region and around the world.”

[MethodX]

Cadillac CTS-V perhaps.

Will be interesting to see if mustang sales taper off like all coupes have in Aus before.