Gone to the darkside.....

Melz · 24-12-2005, 05:20 PM

Well my severe dislike for the Holden brand is being somewhat swayed... recently my folks brought a (cough) VX SS and i will have to say its not a bad car to drive!!! Beautiful throttle response, gorgeous exhaust note, hmmm v8.... sorry i do get swayed easily.... And it just looks fabulous!

I am somewhat hesitant about bagging Holden for their cars now, just their reliability, but you get that with all cars i guess! Its interesting observing the new models that are getting released and to say not that long ago Ford was behind in their development compared to Holden. It's going to be interesting to see Ford's next response to the 6lt Holden V8 soon to be released...

galaxy xr8 · 24-12-2005, 05:27 PM

Yes well they are a good looking vehicle, and they do go well, just keep and eye on the dipstick, lol.

vztrt · 24-12-2005, 05:27 PM

The VX is a good car, and IMO was the last good looking model that Holden have produced. My folks have a VX and it's been a very good and reliable car. Is it a series 1 or 2, as the series two had a suspension upgrade?

Melz · 24-12-2005, 05:31 PM

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The VX is a good car, and IMO was the last good looking model that Holden have produced. My folks have a VX and it's been a very good and reliable car. Is it a series 1 or 2, as the series two had a suspension upgrade?

Its is a series 2... but i hardly call it reliable for what has happened/happening to it at the moment...... :(

vztrt · 24-12-2005, 05:32 PM

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Its is a series 2... but i hardly call it reliable for what has happened/happening to it at the moment...... :(

Whats wrong with it?

Bossxr8 · 24-12-2005, 05:40 PM

Good exhaust note and VX SS aren't usually words that go together. Unless they have the exhaust done I reckon they sound crap. Odd firing order.

Rodp · 25-12-2005, 08:19 AM

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Good exhaust note and VX SS aren't usually words that go together. Unless they have the exhaust done I reckon they sound crap. Odd firing order.

It's not an odd firing order, it was made that way to attempt to quieten down the exhaust for emission reasons. Stock they sound like vacuum cleaners, when I had my GEN3, paceys with a redback exhaust, it sounded great! :eclipsee_

UNR8D · 24-12-2005, 06:11 PM

VX imo with the VT were the nicest looking of the latest generation of commodores, Gen III have had huge issues with oil useage and piston slap so watch out for both of those, otherwise they go hard (if u get a good one) but really dont sound how a V8 should even with an exhaust...(My oppinion) once again.

is it the 4 speeder or the chunky clunky 6 speed man?

herbs · 24-12-2005, 06:28 PM

Yeah, they do look better than the latest commos, that's not saying a lot tho............

XRated · 24-12-2005, 06:28 PM

Hmmmm I am scared I could be swayed into a VX SS 6-speed.... But no, I mustn't ever let that happen LOL!! Nice cars.

Deadman · 24-12-2005, 06:40 PM

The VX series was the nicest looking of the holdens - but really, the stuff since then (VY) has been a joke.

If I ever had to buy a holden (note: had) it would probably be the VX series. ( But I'd buy a Magna VR-X over any holden anyway :p )

Oh, and the 6lt holden V8 isn't really anything to special IMO. holden have always had the obsession to pump out 'bigger numbers' than Ford, wether it's capacity, kw or whatever. Really, I don't see anything extra special in this engine, but time will tell

Without prejudice, I really hope the car is flawless for you and that you enjoy it

Oh, and Merry Christmas all!!!

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gmhdriver · 24-12-2005, 07:52 PM

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Gen III have had huge issues with oil useage and piston slap

There's no denying that the Gen3 had oil consumption and piston slap issues, but seriously, it is something which has been severely blown out of proportion. The amount of units affected by this was something under 10%, meaning for every car with issues there are hundreds out there which are perfectly fine.
When something like this happens people automatically place all their focus on the 'bad' and forget about the good, which is a shame as a small percentage of bad units have ruined the reputation for the many good ones, or so to speak.

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The VX series was the nicest looking of the holdens - but really, the stuff since then (VY) has been a joke.

That is a matter of opinion. Personally I would take a VY SS over a VX SS any day of the week. It is your opinion however and I will respect it.

smoo · 24-12-2005, 07:58 PM

Holdens claim in Wheels mag 2002 (or 2003) was 2% of cars affected by oil consumption. At the time, 70,000 cars had been sold, so it worked out to be around 1500 cars. We all know this is bull****, I see/hear VXs and VYs with piston slap on a daily basis. Thankfully VYII and VZ seem to be immune to it.

But yea, I would say the VX SS is definately one of the better looking Holdens out there, Commodore hands down. Looks especially good in white... fake highway patrol car

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gmhdriver · 24-12-2005, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by smoo

Holdens claim in Wheels mag 2002 (or 2003) was 2% of cars affected by oil consumption. At the time, 70,000 cars had been sold, so it worked out to be around 1500 cars. We all know this is bull****, I see/hear VXs and VYs with piston slap on a daily basis. Thankfully VYII and VZ seem to be immune to it.

Yeah well, I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for Holden, but the majority would/should have been rebuilt/replaced under warranty and the problem seems to have been cured, so I think it's about time people put it all in the past and moved on with life. (not directed at you personally, people in general)

NC 5ltr · 24-12-2005, 08:20 PM

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so I think it's about time people put it all in the past and moved on with life. (not directed at you personally, people in general)

well then,we'll find something different to critisize them about then,like maybe the power steering pumps

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**M&Ms** · 25-12-2005, 01:09 PM

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Holdens claim in Wheels mag 2002 (or 2003) was 2% of cars affected by oil consumption.

What?? BS claim. Unless they are saying 2% of vehicles of the last 50 years, then I'd believe that.

galaxy xr8 · 24-12-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gmhdriver

There's no denying that the Gen3 had oil consumption and piston slap issues, but seriously, it is something which has been severely blown out of proportion. The amount of units affected by this was something under 10%, meaning for every car with issues there are hundreds out there which are perfectly fine.
When something like this happens people automatically place all their focus on the 'bad' and forget about the good, which is a shame as a small percentage of bad units have ruined the reputation for the many good ones, or so to speak.

That is a matter of opinion. Personally I would take a VY SS over a VX SS any day of the week. It is your opinion however and I will respect it.

And it's allway's the Holden purist's that are in denial and believe that it was only 10% off vehicle's affected, there was more than that my friend, the Holden guy's were saying it was only 2-3% off vehicle's and now 10%, but really is that fiqure the amount off vehicle's dealer's had to fix every week, there was more than 10% off GenIII's affected alone in my town, so don't go blowing your 10% crap here mate.

gmhdriver · 24-12-2005, 08:09 PM

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And it's allway's the Holden purist's that are in denial and believe that it was only 10% off vehicle's affected, there was more than that my friend, the Holden guy's were saying it was only 2-3% off vehicle's and now 10%, but really is that fiqure the amount off vehicle's dealer's had to fix every week, there was more than 10% off GenIII's affected alone in my town, so don't go blowing your 10% crap here mate.

Refer to post #17

galaxy xr8 · 24-12-2005, 08:11 PM

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Refer to post #17

I don't believe the problem has actually been cured with the GenIII's issue's, I for one would not buy a 2nd hand GenIII.

**Whoosha** · 24-12-2005, 07:37 PM

AARRRHHH Why is it so hard to find a real Ford purest who will stand on top the Blue Oval with me ........... even when the edges some times rust + bend ?????????????????

superpursuit83 · 24-12-2005, 08:05 PM

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AARRRHHH Why is it so hard to find a real Ford purest who will stand on top the Blue Oval with me ........... even when the edges some times rust + bend ?????????????????

I'll be there with ya on that rusty badge Whoosha. Only blue blood in these viens :sm_headba

rob_liss_lms10 · 24-12-2005, 08:37 PM

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I'll be there with ya on that rusty badge Whoosha. Only blue blood in these viens :sm_headba

I'm there as well,may lightning strike me down if my veins run any other colour but blue!

masters24 · 24-12-2005, 09:42 PM

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AARRRHHH Why is it so hard to find a real Ford purest who will stand on top the Blue Oval with me ........... even when the edges some times rust + bend ?????????????????

I'm with you buddy, never worry...

awsome4.0 · 24-12-2005, 09:57 PM

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I'm with you buddy, never worry...

Like a wise man once said I WOULD RATHER PUSH MY FORD THAN DRIVE A HOLDEN :Up_to_som

FPV GT · 25-12-2005, 05:19 AM

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AARRRHHH Why is it so hard to find a real Ford purest who will stand on top the Blue Oval with me ........... even when the edges some times rust + bend ?????????????????

Iam with you.
Ford true and true, all the way through.

Sure the darkside have some good cars.

but...........

Regards
Paul

Rodp · 25-12-2005, 08:26 AM

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AARRRHHH Why is it so hard to find a real Ford purest who will stand on top the Blue Oval with me ........... even when the edges some times rust + bend ?????????????????

For me, it's because when I go shopping for a new car I'm unwilling to spend in excess of $45k on the lesser car (IMO), whether that be Ford, Holden or whoever just because of the badge. I bought a Gen3 VT over an AU and I bought a BA XR8 over a VY.

I still don't understand undying brand loyalty of a badge on a car. It's just so much easier to be a car enthusiast instead of a badge enthusiast, IMO.

Kenaz · 24-12-2005, 07:49 PM

Nice! The VX SS is my favourite Holden ever. I would love a black 6 speed.

HOON69 · 24-12-2005, 08:01 PM

honestly i went out car shopping and i almost went for a SII VX WAGON they do go and sound nice this was a v6 but geez they go alright,but dont worry i went and put my dibs on a ford a few years older :P

galaxy xr8 · 24-12-2005, 08:10 PM

And the VX SS was the most affected model in the GenIII line up for piston slap/oil consumption.

XA-Coupe · 24-12-2005, 08:25 PM

If people want to start a Holden Vs Ford war then I'll hand out a few holidays. Just give it up, yes, Gen3 had oil consumption issues.. so did a few of the Boss motors.. who cares?
I have driven a VX SS fairly extensively and they are a great car .. just not as great as a BA Xr8 IMO.