Hyundai beats Commodore V6

[OzJavelin]

Reading the motoring section of the local rag on Sat and came across an article talking about the V6 Sonata .. 173kw with Euro4 emissions rating. Supposedly with the Euro3 rating at the start of this year the base 3.6L Commodore V6 was dropped from 175kw to 172kw. Nice .. even Hyundai is more "powerful" (it didn't say anything about torque though).

[Lukeyson]

Sonata is a 3.3L Alloy VVT Quad Cam, 173kw @ 6000RPM, with a Holden beating 340nm @ 3500RPM, the 172kw commo motor has 320nm @ 2800RPM, and their 190kw motor has 335nm @ 3200RPM

with 300cc LESS !!

And add insult, its a Hyundai ! :

[OzJavelin]

BTW: From my perspective this is not an anti-Holden rant .. I own a VY1 SV8. I'm just embarrassed that an Aussie "big six" gets outdone by a Korean made car!!

[macca_779]

Originally Posted by XR8fella

Sonata is a 3.3L Alloy VVT Quad Cam, 173kw @ 6000RPM, with a Holden beating 340nm @ 3500RPM, the 172kw commo motor has 320nm @ 2800RPM, and their 190kw motor has 335nm @ 3200RPM

with 300cc LESS !!

And add insult, its a Hyundai ! :

I just looked up the hyundai site and the V6 actually has only 304nm of torque making the holden V6 just a little bit more powerful but considering the size of the Hyundai V6 on paper it looks like it may be a half decent jigger.

[aimzes]

but just how long will the hyundai motor last? im lucky to go half an hour without seeing a smokie accent or excel.

[brenx]

Originally Posted by aimzes

but just how long will the hyundai motor last? im lucky to go half an hour without seeing a smokie accent or excel.

My 95 S-Coupe 1.5lt had 230,000k's and only blew smoke on start up (valvestem seals). The car owed me a whole $700 in repairs after 9 years of ownership. Relaible? Hell yes. Powerful? Not really although it did go alright with the 5spd manual. I'd guess another 70,000-100,000k's from that car wouldn't be out of the question. I serviced it everytime I added 10,000-12,000k.

That $700 was 1 alternator, 1 battery, 1 starter bearing and one cat back exhaust.

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by aimzes

but just how long will the hyundai motor last? im lucky to go half an hour without seeing a smokie accent or excel.

I had a 2000 model excel while I was at uni. I put over 100,000km on it without having one warranty claim. I made sure I did regular services (every 7500km) and it still ran like new when I sold it. I certainly had less troubles with it than I have with the BA. Dont get me wrong I love my ute, but I also have an open mind. I have no doubt that the sonata and granduer will be reliable. I bet they will get 100,000km and beyond without any troubles. The koreans are doing what the Japanese did 20 - 30 years ago, and I beleive in another 10 - 20 years they will have a rep like the japanese.

[naddis01]

Just some more food for thought.

Sonata - 52.42kw/litre
Commo - 47.78kw/litre
Falcon (BF) - 47.5kw/litre

[Lukeyson]

Originally Posted by macca_779

I just looked up the hyundai site and the V6 actually has only 304nm of torque making the holden V6 just a little bit more powerful but considering the size of the Hyundai V6 on paper it looks like it may be a half decent jigger.

Umm, ok, i think your looking on the Hyundai International Site, when i look on the Hyundai Australia site, under Sonata, it comes up with this:

Originally Posted by McobraR

Hmm if premium is needed to get 190kw, will the supposed 200kw version of the alloytec, for the VE, need premium? ИИИ thats note gonna be a good thing with fuel prices nowadays

True that, the 260kw figure from the 6litre in the Commy is based on 98octane fuel.



BTW = I couldnt give a toss about Hyundai : But those kinda figures from a 3.3Litre arent bad i reckon. Still, prob only has 100'000km life, like all other Hyundais

[Danny]

Originally Posted by XR8fella

Umm, ok, i think your looking on the Hyundai International Site, when i look on the Hyundai Australia site, under Sonata, it comes up with this:





True that, the 260kw figure from the 6litre in the Commy is based on 98octane fuel.



BTW = I couldnt give a toss about Hyundai : But those kinda figures from a 3.3Litre arent bad i reckon. Still, prob only has 100'000km life, like all other Hyundais

I think you'll find that he meant the engine on the new Grandeur, not the Sonata. But he got the names mixed up....

[brenx]

Originally Posted by XR8fella

BTW = I couldnt give a toss about Hyundai : But those kinda figures from a 3.3Litre arent bad i reckon. Still, prob only has 100'000km life, like all other Hyundais

Your so wrong but your entitled to your opinion. Generally once owning one most will change their mind. I know the little 1.5lt 4cyls back in 95 got 550ish k's from 35-37lt of 91ron fuel. Compared to the EL 4.0 Falcon cost wise I could fill the Hyundai tank twice per 1 tank of fuel for the Falcon. Translation Hyndai 1100k's & Falcon 540-560k's. The Falcon owes me a heap more $ for the same time frame of ownership too.

Not everyone want to spend a weeks wages on fuel ;) A work/shopping run about is sufficent.

It's the exact reason my other car is a 02 1.8lt Mazda Astina. Forgot the Mazda had most space inside compared to the equivalent Hyundai. The main reason I bought a Mazda is better resale. Otherwise I'd have another Hyundai sitting in the drive without putting any thought to it. Reliable and cheap to run is what everyone likes.

[Kenster]

Originally Posted by XR8fella

Umm, ok, i think your looking on the Hyundai International Site, when i look on the Hyundai Australia site, under Sonata, it comes up with this:





True that, the 260kw figure from the 6litre in the Commy is based on 98octane fuel.



BTW = I couldnt give a toss about Hyundai : But those kinda figures from a 3.3Litre arent bad i reckon. Still, prob only has 100'000km life, like all other Hyundais

Well with reading the information on this picture its no wounder Hyundai could beat the Commodore V6 consider they both 6 cyclindar cars the fact that the Commodore run on a DOHC(double over head cam) while the Hyundai runs on quad cam which could have more power develop inside the engine unit than the dohc(which ford and holden runs on)

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by Kenter

Well with reading the information on this picture its no wounder Hyundai could beat the Commodore V6 consider they both 6 cyclindar cars the fact that the Commodore run on a DOHC(double over head cam) while the Hyundai runs on quad cam which could have more power develop inside the engine unit than the dohc(which ford and holden runs on)

Number of cams does not automatically mean increase in power/torque. AFAIK its typically to reduce valvetrain issues allowing higher revs. However this isn't always the case if you compare the DOHC Boss and the cam-in-block GenIII ... the low-tech GenIII would typically out-rev the Boss for a number of other reasons ...

[RavenLS1]

Originally Posted by Kenter

Well with reading the information on this picture its no wounder Hyundai could beat the Commodore V6 consider they both 6 cyclindar cars the fact that the Commodore run on a DOHC(double over head cam) while the Hyundai runs on quad cam which could have more power develop inside the engine unit than the dohc(which ford and holden runs on)

dosent a double overhead cam v6 = quad cam

[merlin]

Originally Posted by Kenter

Well with reading the information on this picture its no wounder Hyundai could beat the Commodore V6 consider they both 6 cyclindar cars the fact that the Commodore run on a DOHC(double over head cam) while the Hyundai runs on quad cam which could have more power develop inside the engine unit than the dohc(which ford and holden runs on)

i believe your statement is incorrect.

The commodore is MARKETED as a DOHC when in actually fact it is Quad cam (it is a V6 with two banks of cylinders each bank has 2 cams). Hyandui have just taken a different MARKETING approach in calling it quad cam. Any DOHC V-6 configured engine can be called quad-cam. The BOSS is actually quad cam is it not...

[Ryan]

Meh its not a big loss really.

Only 1KW and 20NM, but yes it does seem kinda sad that a 3.3L V6 Korean car is making more power and torque then a 3.6L V6 Aussie car.

[CAMS290]

What is the bet that Holden drops the base model V6 for the VE ???
I think that the 190kw version will be standard across the board.
Just like what ford did when they got rid of that horrible 3.2 cfi thing they had in the EA.

Btw: Are there any of those 3.2 cfi motors around ??? Thay would be as rare as a 250 2V wouldnt they ???

[Whoosha]

Originally Posted by CAMS290

What is the bet that Holden drops the base model V6 for the VE ???
I think that the 190kw version will be standard across the board.
Just like what ford did when they got rid of that horrible 3.2 cfi thing they had in the EA.

Btw: Are there any of those 3.2 cfi motors around ??? Thay would be as rare as a 250 2V wouldnt they ???

got a 2502v in the shed cam. wanna see it ? used the 3.2 for extra weight at the cash a can day : :

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by CAMS290

What is the bet that Holden drops the base model V6 for the VE ???
I think that the 190kw version will be standard across the board.

Problem with the 190kw version is that it needed Premium Unleaded to get that power figure ... so the running costs would be much more

[McobraR]

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Problem with the 190kw version is that it needed Premium Unleaded to get that power figure ... so the running costs would be much more

Hmm if premium is needed to get 190kw, will the supposed 200kw version of the alloytec, for the VE, need premium? ИИИ thats note gonna be a good thing with fuel prices nowadays

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Problem with the 190kw version is that it needed Premium Unleaded to get that power figure ... so the running costs would be much more

I hope you aren't confusing the s/c 6 which required pulp with the 190kw alloytek that does NOT require pulp to get 190....
http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/...a?modelid=4004

[GTS_300_Coupe]

Well since all you guys are bashing Holdens engine, dont you think its a little sad Ford's massive 4.0 litre 6 "only" makes 190kW.
Hyundai's 3.3 litre has only 15kW less power. :nutsycuck

[xfalconz]

Originally Posted by GTS_300_Coupe

Well since all you guys are bashing Holdens engine, dont you think its a little sad Ford's massive 4.0 litre 6 "only" makes 190kW.
Hyundai's 3.3 litre has only 15kW less power. :nutsycuck

Ahh an opinion from the dark side!!

[RavenLS1]

Originally Posted by GTS_300_Coupe

Well since all you guys are bashing Holdens engine, dont you think its a little sad Ford's massive 4.0 litre 6 "only" makes 190kW.
Hyundai's 3.3 litre has only 15kW less power. :nutsycuck

its still more than the others, we also have a 5.4 puting out 260kw where the holden needs 6.0l to get that output. LMAO

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by GTS_300_Coupe

Well since all you guys are bashing Holdens engine, dont you think its a little sad Ford's massive 4.0 litre 6 "only" makes 190kW.
Hyundai's 3.3 litre has only 15kW less power. :nutsycuck

They are tuned to make good torque, not high end kw like the Hyundai. If Ford wanted top end kw 200-210 would be a snack.

[pauljh74]

Originally Posted by GTS_300_Coupe

Well since all you guys are bashing Holdens engine, dont you think its a little sad Ford's massive 4.0 litre 6 "only" makes 190kW.
Hyundai's 3.3 litre has only 15kW less power. :nutsycuck

But has 383Nm of torque, 48 Nm (14%) more than the upper spec Holden V6

[qwigybo]

Originally Posted by CAMS290

What is the bet that Holden drops the base model V6 for the VE ???
I think that the 190kw version will be standard across the board.
Just like what ford did when they got rid of that horrible 3.2 cfi thing they had in the EA.

Btw: Are there any of those 3.2 cfi motors around ??? Thay would be as rare as a 250 2V wouldnt they ???

i've got one sitting at mum and dads only just ran out of rego still r/w and runs pretty well, mind you mated to the 3 spd it has no balls, it's an 87 model ea (?!?!?!) go figure and it has done around 400,000km's

[XR Martin]

They only made something like 800 3.2Cfi EAs, it was dropped after the first year.

[Danny]

Well well well, maybe Holden ARE better off sourcing their cars from Korea!

[Walkinshaw]

I pitty the fewl with no stroke.