Random Drug Testing (NSW)

**GasoLane** · 09-12-2006, 09:33 AM

At last.
As of 15th Dec NSW Police will be able to to Roadside Drug Testing (RDT?)

But... Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

bArNsY · 09-12-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

But... Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

What the hell does that mean!

people have a go at txt style messages! pfff

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On topic
It will provide safer roads for the community, as I believe it has changed attitude of recreational drug users in Victoria about drug-driving

Casper · 09-12-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bArNsY

What the hell does that mean!

people have a go at txt style messages! pfff

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On topic
It will provide safer roads for the community, as I believe it has changed attitude of recreational drug users in Victoria about drug-driving

It basically means "who will police the police"

Doogstar · 09-12-2006, 10:02 AM

That's great news, Police will be be able to randomly the test the quality of your drugs for you. :evil_laug

Seriously though, it will make our roads that much safer.

**GasoLane** · 09-12-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bArNsY

What the hell does that mean!

Sorry, perhaps I should have written it like this..Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who will guard the guards?)

It's early, I'll be fine when I wake up

bArNsY · 09-12-2006, 09:59 AM

ok thanks......casper you are so wise :newangel:

Ford_Boy · 09-12-2006, 10:07 AM

im glad. the amount of guys i know who smoke then drive is shocking. they dont take it seriously. i refuse to ever get in the car if i know they were doing shit.

TomXY · 09-12-2006, 10:08 AM

but in what time period will it pick it up in,
short term......last couple of hours
or
long term ...... last couple of months

BAFalconXT · 09-12-2006, 10:32 AM

They have done no research reguarding the amount of drugs in your system compaired to your ability to drive. It is done with a siliva test which is suppost to show up if you have had speed, weed and something else in the past 6-12 hours. One cone a few hours before driving is not going to affect someones driving... Many other drugs like suscription drugs/heroin/cocaine are not tested for...

BENT_8 · 09-12-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

At last.
As of 15th Dec NSW Police will be able to to Roadside Drug Testing (RDT?)

But... Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Dont get too carried away champ, those laws were introduced here in SA about 4mths ago and to tell you the honest truth, i have only seen the thing twice in all that time.
I live out in the northern suburbs, if the cops really wanted to stop drug driving they would be set up on Elizabeth way every day.
a guy i know who uses a little pot was pulled over last Friday night at Golden Grove, he was off his guts and fortunately for him the drug swabs had run out so he couldn't be tested.
What a joke, drug test station with no drug test kits.

OLDFORDNUT · 09-12-2006, 11:43 AM

i think its the best thing to happen on our roads since the 80's, about bloody time,
but having said that i think it would be highly unfair if they get people for drugs taken two days earlier.

**ebxr8240** · 09-12-2006, 11:46 AM

Having in the past having to work [ Lineworker] with Pot head it can't come soon enough!!! Knowing how it effected him on serious life threatening decisions..I couldn't imagine him driving safely.....

TUF514 · 09-12-2006, 11:54 AM

im all for making the roads safer, but where does it stop?

now, they are trying to make it illegal to smoke with kids in the car. Im not a smoker, and i have a 14 month old son, but i worry about rights of the people.

everyone wait until it is illegal to have a drink of water whilst driving. people laugh at me when i say this, but it will come.

BAFalconXT · 09-12-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dumpieez_xb_ute

everyone wait until it is illegal to have a drink of water whilst driving. people laugh at me when i say this, but it will come.

It is more dangerous to eat/drink while driving than talking on a phone. Ever tried to get the last ice cube out the bottom of you Maccas Coke? or find the chip that fell in your lap?

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TUF514 · 09-12-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BAFalconXT

It is more dangerous to eat/drink while driving than talking on a phone. Ever tried to get the last ice cube out the bottom of you Maccas Coke? or find the chip that fell in your lap?

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ok so lets bring in a law and make it illegal then.

while we are at it, lets bring in a law against cd players.

why stop there? lets take out gauges as well........... the states bottom line will never look so good.

my point is, where is this idiocy going to stop? people are going to die in cars no matter what restrictions and precautions are brought in.

Mitch_ · 09-12-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BAFalconXT

It is more dangerous to eat/drink while driving than talking on a phone. Ever tried to get the last ice cube out the bottom of you Maccas Coke? or find the chip that fell in your lap?

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yer the last ice cube is annoying! why do they make it sooo hard!
imagine if the cops pulled u up for it!
sir, i'm just giving u an infringment notice for attempting to retrive the last ice cube! $200 and 2 points!

GREGXR8 · 09-12-2006, 12:02 PM

when you get pulled up and the cop says we're conducting a drug test, say no thanks mate if i have any more i will over dose. you will find out pretty quick if they've got a sence of humor.

OLDFORDNUT · 09-12-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gregxr8

when you get pulled up and the cop says we're conducting a drug test, say no thanks mate if i have any more i will over dose. you will find out pretty quick if they've got a sence of humor.

can i sit on the fence watching when you do it.
hahaha lol

**ebxr8240** · 09-12-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicholas

can i sit on the fence watching when you do it.
hahaha lol

In front of a judge will be really humorous!!! Lol....

XFshep · 09-12-2006, 01:29 PM

these laws are another example of a good idea implemented in a shithouse way.

one bong, 6 hours before you drive and you lose your license, now can anyone honestly say that such a large bracket for detection is needed.

because to me it seems like they are just trying to catch people out needlessly.

XFshep · 09-12-2006, 01:31 PM

what i mean to say is these tests can be irrelevant, same as a **** test at work, i believe that all roadside tests should only show whether or not a person is affected at the time.

GREGXR8 · 09-12-2006, 02:00 PM

agree with it or not by using drugs you've broken the law. so if your caught wear it, if you cant handle the consequences dont do it. im not saying i agree with it but its the law and unless it changes if your willing to break it then you have to be willing to be charged if cought. being a truck driver i know a number of interstate drivers that are off there heads on speed all the time and in these cases i totally agree with drug testing. how would you like an idiot in a 60ton b,double thats been awake for a week heading toward somene you care about. (especially if he's starting to come down.)

PHATXR8 · 09-12-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gregxr8

agree with it or not by using drugs you've broken the law. so if your caught wear it, if you cant handle the consequences dont do it. im not saying i agree with it but its the law and unless it changes if your willing to break it then you have to be willing to be charged if cought. being a truck driver i know a number of interstate drivers that are off there heads on speed all the time and in these cases i totally agree with drug testing. how would you like an idiot in a 60ton b,double thats been awake for a week heading toward somene you care about. (especially if he's starting to come down.)

- Person A has been driving a B Double 60 hours on speed with no sleep

- Person B smoked a joint 2 days ago at a party in Canberra.

Under these new drug testing arrangements both people will be fined in exactly the same manner if they both test positive.....work that one out!!!

TomXY · 09-12-2006, 03:00 PM

exactly it is just wrong, they should just be testing for REAL drugs eg. Speed, Heroin.

I have heard of people taking up cocaine after smoking pot, because cannabis stays in your body for 6 months and cocaine only can be traced within 24 hours or something. Just so it cant be picked up or traced.

XR6TickfordBoy · 09-12-2006, 03:21 PM

Unless the test is accurate enough to indicate current intoxication then it should not be there at all! As said a person that had a toke of a joint at a party 2-3 days ago should not be treated as a truck driver thats been on speed for a week! Nobody should be on the road intoxicated by drugs, but if the test shows up months ago of use then there's no point. If it doesn't show up thing's like Heroin, then what is the point?????

BAFalconXT · 09-12-2006, 05:55 PM

I know... Kids dont learn to ride a bike with the training wheels on, you have to let them fall off afew times. Its the same with driving, if you learn to drive going 20km/h it will be dangerous driving 60km/h. It doesnt matter what we do people will die on the road.

BeStRaFe · 09-12-2006, 06:22 PM

look... the fact is...
drugs are illegal...

DEAL WITH THE FACT.
YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME.
its the same as random drug tests in the workplace.

it doesnt matter if you have not had drugs in the past 24 and still get done...
YOU STILL TOOK DRUGS = THEREFOR ILLEGAL..

i admit some of the laws are just plain stupidic....

EG. a red p-plater under the new laws cant drive a suziki swift gti @ 121kw (turbo)
but can go out and drive a 190kw or a 200+kw flat six with no worries.

people are going to kill themselves on the road no matter what restrictions they put up. its just a fact of trying to reduce the road fatalities..

do the right thing and you wont have any problems (well atleast dont get nabbed ;) )

jason71 · 09-12-2006, 06:41 PM

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look... the fact is...
drugs are illegal...

DEAL WITH THE FACT.
YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME.
its the same as random drug tests in the workplace.

it doesnt matter if you have not had drugs in the past 24 and still get done...
YOU STILL TOOK DRUGS = THEREFOR ILLEGAL..

Could not agree more

In my job we get random breath or drug tested, if ANYTHING shows up we are in deep shit
So what if you smoked a joint 6 hours before driving, according to the law you should not have done it in the first place!

That's life.
Deal with it.

GREGXR8 · 10-12-2006, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BeStRaFe

look... the fact is...
drugs are illegal...

DEAL WITH THE FACT.
YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME.
its the same as random drug tests in the workplace.

it doesnt matter if you have not had drugs in the past 24 and still get done...
YOU STILL TOOK DRUGS = THEREFOR ILLEGAL..

exactly my point it does'nt matter if your smoking a joint or shooting up heroin its illegal! so if you want to break the law wear it if you are caught. if you had a smoke 2days ago and it shows up bad luck, if you dont like the fact you can be charged dont do it.

RIPGMH · 13-12-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BeStRaFe

look... the fact is...
drugs are illegal...

DEAL WITH THE FACT.
YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME.
its the same as random drug tests in the workplace.

it doesnt matter if you have not had drugs in the past 24 and still get done...
YOU STILL TOOK DRUGS = THEREFOR ILLEGAL

Most workplace drug testing policy revolves around influence, ie if you are still affected by the drug, not to single out people who induldge in socially unaccepatable behaviour.

If I drove a camry and couldn't see why someone would want to put an aftermarket exhaust on their car, then I would probably support legislation to ban all vehicle modification. How would that make you feel? I think a bigger danger on our roads is the elderly and their always on drugs!