Twice as Many P platers died this year than last - Power Restrictions

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Nemesis737

Out of all these statistics placed forward to us, I cannot remember the last time that I saw how many accidents and fatalities that people over 25 were involved.....

If the roles were reversed, and you were an 18yr old told that you can't drive a car you just bought, or pretty much that you had no skill of driving, What would you say? Sure, most people will say that they understand and are fine with it, but 90% of people I recon would feel the same way as the youth...

One thing I don't get is that if the RTA adds a car to the banned car list, it is the responsibility of the community to regularly check it to see if their car has miraculously became banned...

The curfews are just stupid. When I was under 18 I was the family bus when we went over to friends places/restaurants/bbq's etc. What about emergencies, greater amount of people on the road at these hours...

With the differences between a XR6T and a 84 corolla... These "kids" are gonna drive both of em hard, but they are gonna push the corolla harder because it is a ***** car, and therefore take unneccary risks trying to get the most performance out of it as possible...

Another contributing factor about the over 26... The majority of those over 26 can afford the cars with numerous airbags (lowering fitalities if a crash occurs) and ABS/TCS/Better handling (preventing crashes).

This is just another instance of the gun laws. If someone wants to shoot someone, they'll shoot em with an unregistered gun as quickly as a registered one. Cars are the same instance, these laws are useless, because if the p-plater wants to drive a car, they'll drive it dispite what laws are placed on them. These laws (both gun and P1/P2) only hurt those that actually follow the laws and aren't the ones doing 150kph in a 60 zone...



Really... How many people on a reputable site like this are going to be the ones crashing their cars/ being idiots? : I'm sure a few people are going to disagree with me (not naming names), but thats just my feelings about it and... yeh...

People under 26 comprise only 15% of driver licences
but are involved in 36% of road fatalities.

So people over 26 comprise 85% of drivers, and 64% of fatalities.... the maths makes it look rather compelling doesnt it...

If age was not a factor with risk then the U26 15% of drivers would be involved in only 15% of fatalities...

The "gun theory" is the only way you can work with idiots, take the guns away so they can't shoot people on impulse or by irresponsible handling of the gun which is what dangerous driving is.
Saying that if someone wants to shoot someone else they'll find a gun anyway is actually called premeditated murder, which is like getting in your car and deliberatly ramming it into someone head on with the aim of killing them......

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by EBFalcs

7 p platers died in the first seven months, i bet there was about 60 deaths by that time, so that means 53 non p platers died in the first 7 months. but lets attack the p platers anyway,

and this **** about having to be 18 to get a licence, how the **** are people gonna get a job with no licence, and **** the 60km/h in a 100km/h zone grannies off the road, that's probably why people crash, from swerving them when they come around a corner at 100km/h

It's mostly about P platers attitude, adults can get their point across without swearing.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

It's mostly about P platers attitude, adults can get their point across without swearing.

Exaclty, and that "attitude" that's just been displayed is probably pretty common amongst the 36% of u26 who sadly are no longer with us...

[GCFordChic]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

It's mostly about P platers attitude, adults can get their point across without swearing.

I agree...but i think i have done it nicely!!! :1syellow1

[Longreach]

One problem i may see with restricting the kind of cars peopel can buy to such an extent is that, you get a 17year old that has worked since he/she was 15 and their parents decide to help buy there first car, and between the two of them they have a hypothetical 10,000$.

Now if they kid can't buy a v6/i6 either, because if the restricting engine sizes keeps going since theres been little results with just v8's. 6's will get restricted as well.
Back on point though, if they are limited to a 4, they odd's are the kid will think why spend 10,000$ on a car i dont' want when i can just buy a cheapy, thrash it for 2 years and with all the extra cash i've got go out and buy a more powerful one.

Now i'm not raising the point of kids going from a low power car to a high power car because experience is still gained which is overly usefull, just the fact i think you'd find alot more p platers driving cars around which are alot more run down than what currently are. Which may cause another problem in road toll, as what happens when Joe Blow wraps his focus around a power poll, end of the day idiot is still an idiot. But he may of thrashed it harder because its only 2,000 and its a heap of **** he doesn't care about.

If you asked any of my mates that drive cars they have had ot pay for themselves that have cost them more cash, i'm not saying a 20,000 car, but say the 10,000 mark. None of them are game enough to thrash it as its worth to much to them and that comes with pride.

I personally think the goverment could spend its time doing other things which would better serve the community than cracking down on p platers. Removing speed cameras and having more cops on the road to reduce the chance of people gettin away with idiot behaviour would be a start.

[EBFalcs]

i been off my P's for a few years so theres that theory out the window

[Falcon Coupe]

Growing old does not always = growing up.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by EBFalcs

i been off my P's for a few years so theres that theory out the window

Are you over 26?
Anyway mental age (maturity) can be different to actual age too.....

[EBFalcs]

the reason why more p platers die in cars now is probably because the population of australia is probably 3 times that of in 1970's so of course more deaths will occur on the roads in p's and older drivers,

[GCFordChic]

hardly a huge difference from year to year though...and thats what we are looking at

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by EBFalcs

the reason why more p platers die in cars now is probably because the population of australia is probably 3 times that of in 1970's so of course more deaths will occur on the roads in p's and older drivers,

look at the percentages, population growth is irrelevant...

[Sapper]

Umm, there's a reason that there are more young drivers than older drivers is that young drivers have alot less experience. They have a lot less experience because they've been driving less than older drivers. And the reason they've been driving less is because they're younger. Is everyone here expecting young drivers to have less accidents per number of drivers than mature drivers...

Does no one realise this?

Its a sad thing when anyone dies on the road but you will NEVER have less accidents among younger drivers than mature drivers. Why are people surprised at this?

[ssb2005]

all i can add to this is that i can be just as dangerous is a gutless car as a ballsy one

when i was a p-plater i was carved up on the road by alot more stupid behaviour from older people by the younger ones. today some mum in a bubble car with a baby on board sticker on it cutting me off and driving bloody dangerously.

we need better driver training and such, but that has a bad pay off of in a way encouraging it.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

look at the percentages, population growth is irrelevant...

If you have seen them 4Vman i would love to see a comparison to say the mid 90's, then 80's, then 70's.

[Falcon_Phill]

I could get off my chair right now, then run into a wall and die even without a car. Its got nothing to do with how powerful these cars are, or what body mods they have, or anything else. If someones going to be an idiot, with no education on how to drive or react, then theyll most likely end up in an accident. Not that i could give a **** that people want to be like this, just dont crash into me.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

If you have seen them 4Vman i would love to see a comparison to say the mid 90's, then 80's, then 70's.

Yes that would be interesting, my guess is they're getting worse... i started driving in the mid 80's, my old man was so strict about teaching me correctly and would come down on me like a tonne of bricks if i stuffed up or clowned around, things have certainly changed.

[ssb2005]

im only 19 but younger people these days have a way different attitude

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

I could get off my chair right now, then run into a wall and die even without a car. Its got nothing to do with how powerful these cars are, or what body mods they have, or anything else. If someones going to be an idiot, with no education on how to drive or react, then theyll most likely end up in an accident. Not that i could give a **** that people want to be like this, just dont crash into me.

I agree, but if you cant keep idiots off the road then you have to remove as many factors as you can, powerful cars are certainly 1 undeniable contributing factor.

[EBFalcs]

they should write what sort of cars the p-plater were driving when they crashed too, that would be interesting

[ssb2005]

they only glorify the bad crashes tho

[EBFalcs]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I agree, but if you cant keep idiots off the road then you have to remove as many factors as you can, powerful cars are certainly 1 undeniable contributing factor.

well why don't we ban all V8, 6cyl, turbo and supercharged vehicles in australia, that would make it much better for everyone, it would even save fuel

[Nemesis737]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

People under 26 comprise only 15% of driver licences
but are involved in 36% of road fatalities.

So people over 26 comprise 85% of drivers, and 64% of fatalities.... the maths makes it look rather compelling doesnt it...

If age was not a factor with risk then the U26 15% of drivers would be involved in only 15% of fatalities...

Since when did I say that age was was not a contributing factor?

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The "gun theory" is the only way you can work with idiots, take the guns away so they can't shoot people on impulse or by irresponsible handling of the gun which is what dangerous driving is.
Saying that if someone wants to shoot someone else they'll find a gun anyway is actually called premeditated murder, which is like getting in your car and deliberatly ramming it into someone head on with the aim of killing them......

I didn't mean it like that, I said that if someone wants to DRIVE an illegal car, they'll do it. SIMILAR to if someone wants to shoot someone they will.

How many people have been killed by a registered vs unregistered gun in the last year, and how many of those fatally injured in the under 26 car crashes have been breaking the law and driving cars they weren't meant to?

[HSVETAR]

Definatly need a drivers skill course... No doubt about it, to pass your p's

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by EBFalcs

well why don't we ban all V8, 6cyl, turbo and supercharged vehicles in australia, that would make it much better for everyone, it would even save fuel

Why would they need to?

[Falcon_Phill]

Heres a fun story from 2 weeks ago.

Theres a kid across the road from me trying to get he's P's, exept he cant read, write, and hes definatly not right in the head. Anyway someone from centrelink tells him to tell the RTA he needs his license as his father is sick, and he NEEDS to drive him around, and so they give it to him, without a test. When i heard this i got so angry. Less than a week later hes working on a farm, and takes the ute to 'fix' something. He runs it off the road, through barb wire and into a paddock, crashing it and leaving massive shreads on one side of the car.

If the RTA are stupid enough to give a mentally retarded kid a license who cant even read road signs, they should really have a good look at themselves. He previously failed the P's test 4 times before pulling this ****.

[Nemesis737]

Originally Posted by HSVETAR

Definatly need a drivers skill course... No doubt about it, to pass your p's

I agree with ya, dam, even if I was off my P's I'd still do it!

[poolkeeper]

Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

Heres a fun story from 2 weeks ago.

Theres a kid across the road from me trying to get he's P's, exept he cant read, write, and hes definatly not right in the head. Anyway someone from centrelink tells him to tell the RTA he needs his license as his father is sick, and he NEEDS to drive him around, and so they give it to him, without a test. When i heard this i got so angry. Less than a week later hes working on a farm, and takes the ute to 'fix' something. He runs it off the road, through barb wire and into a paddock, crashing it and leaving massive shreads on one side of the car.

If the RTA are stupid enough to give a mentally retarded kid a license who cant even read road signs, they should really have a good look at themselves. He previously failed the P's test 4 times before pulling this ****.

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[geohatrick]

I have done i guess 60 hours i have had my l's for probably 18months considering going for my p's next two weeks now that i have a car.

The first thing my parents said to me is that i have to do a defensive driving course once i get my p's i am also doing a 4wd driving course which is a full weekend (we do a fair bit of 4wd even tho we live in sydney).

i would have to say the thing im most looking forward to once i get my p's is to take my car to eastern creek so i can find out what it can do and how hard i can push it around the corners on a legal course (im to scared to do corners fast at all on a street i hate gutters :S and my biggest fear is hitting a car) but still i have mates that do 100+ down roseville bridge in excels burnouts everything else doesn matter what car your in the most responsible p plater i know drives a vk v8 commy. Moral of the story p'platers should be forced to do defensive driver education be forced to drive a few laps around a race track to see how much fun it is to do legally and it really doesnt matter what car your in you can do stupid stuff (ever seen a a 1990 hyundai excel pop a front wheel doing a burnout... i have).

Cheers Zac

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Now id like to know if the reduction in risk by 26 years old is because of 8 years of driving experience or 8 years of maturing...

That's the real question.

I'm off my P's next week. I'm a hell of a lot better driver than I was 3 years ago. I still drive like a tool at times but it's toned down a hell of a lot. No more crazy speeding that's for sure. I feel I drive pretty well in traffic, that comes with experience. To be honest that's about all I've improved on.

How many young drivers are taking themselves out at 70kph in traffic? How many are taking themselves out by using telephone poles to help them slow down from 160kph? Is high speed driving something you learn from driving within the road rules for a few years? Hell no.

Advanced driving courses will do nothing. What do we suggest these courses consist of? Getting out of power over steer in the wet? Woohoo, we just armed Falcodore P platers everywhere with the skills to do it on the road.

Just make the bloody test harder. Sure you'll lose a few people on the road which means less revenue, but half the people out there can't drive. I had driving lessons only because we didn't have a manual I could learn in. I could of got an auto licence within a week of getting my L's. Retests when you renew your licence. A heap of people not on P plates can't drive to save their life.

[EBFalcs]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Why would they need to?

well why did they ban all auto and semi auto guns and make guns and liscences so hard to get,

because they are dangerous in the wrong hands same with powerful cars, so lets get ris of them.