FORD ORION manual spindle tester - Page 2

XR8putts · 21-11-2006, 03:04 PM

Was browsing through the latest NZ Autocar magazine, they got a 5.4s 0-100 time out of the Force6.. or was it 5.3? Should've skipped lunch and bought the mag instead of flicking thru it at the newstand!

**Polyal** · 21-11-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

I haven't seen it. Only one I have read about was the GT v GTS.

Where is the F6 comparison then?

Sorry, I was just being a smart ***. If the GT doesn't get very close to an e series then the F6 isn't going to be a great deal better.

Poetic Justice · 21-11-2006, 04:45 PM

He wasn't asking your opinion, he wanted to know where he could read it?

JPFS1 · 21-11-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Sorry, I was just being a smart ***. If the GT doesn't get very close to an e series then the F6 isn't going to be a great deal better.

I recall the GT doing very well against the GTS. A lot better than expected. So if that's the case, the F6/Force6 would be right up there.

Brute6 · 21-11-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

Where is this review of the Force 6 v E series senator?

In the lastest Wheels magazine, they basically come out equal, with the Force 8 lagging behind....

Eaturbo · 21-11-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JEM

Correct - there really isn't any wrong at all with the platform and there's no need to reinvent the wheel. There are significant changes still as extra and time and money will always improve and evolve design, so Orion will benefit from this.

One more point, the AU IRS isn't better than Control blade. Control blade brought many advatages. They are two different systems in two significantly different cars, structuraly, and weight. These two differences would contribute to the dynamics of the car considerably, so isolating the IRS system and saying it's reposnsible, wouldn't be totally correct.

I have spoke to plenty of suspension experts who say that the AU IRS was a better design than the control blade, it was only changed due to weight as why else would you change such a good set up after 4 years when holden had its for 15 years. Plenty magazines commented on how the BA lost its razor sharp handling of the T series cars. They seam to have a stronger diff/Axle shafts to than BA.

JPFS1 · 21-11-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

I have spoke to plenty of suspension experts who say that the AU IRS was a better design than the control blade, it was only changed due to weight as why else would you change such a good set up after 4 years when holden had its for 15 years. Plenty magazines commented on how the BA lost its razor sharp handling of the T series cars. They seam to have a stronger diff/Axle shafts to than BA.

There are many reasons why the system changed, modular design, subframe design to significantly increase body rigity and to conform with Territory architecture also.

As i said, the dynamics of the previous IRS cars were not only different because of the IRS itself, but the much lighter body etc. That's not to say that the IRS in those cars wasn't good, it was great!

Eaturbo · 21-11-2006, 05:33 PM

yeah i supposed the fuel tank was moved on BA so it allowed a different design to

Bossxr8 · 25-11-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JEM

True, and Ford's Geelong stamping plant also plays a part in stamping for Holden/Toyota etc... Sharing amongst the manufacturer's is not uncommon.

Tool room made parts for Boeing too.

Bossxr8 · 25-11-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielXR8

The latest Wheels has a piece where they are saying the rumour is that the Orion Falcon will be built on a warmed over BA platform. That means Holden will remain more then competitive from a handling perspective as the VE is their first crack at this new platform and I'm sure they will tweak and improve it over the years to come.

Dan

The chassis may be based on BF but it will be signifacantly revised. Combined with a new body there will be very little carryover. They will probably make wholesale changes to everything so saying handling will be like BF is being a bit shortsighted.

T3ts50 · 25-11-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The chassis may be based on BF but it will be signifacantly revised. Combined with a new body there will be very little carryover. They will probably make wholesale changes to everything so saying handling will be like BF is being a bit shortsighted.

Does this mean the motors will still be in the same position?

killer_taxi · 25-11-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brute6

In the lastest Wheels magazine, they basically come out equal, with the Force 8 lagging behind....

This sums it up pretty much...

“In the end, the HSV did just enough to share a win with the Force 6, but given it’s a brand-new platform, that’s not much to crow about. That it’s the best-looking, best-equipped and dynamically most entertaining car is of little doubt, but it was a shock to see the HSV run so close by FPV’s older platform.” - Wheels Dec 06.

killer_taxi · 25-11-2006, 04:21 PM

Heres what Wheels magazine said about Ford using the current platform...

Ford Falcon Orion

Set to fly in 2008, but not on all-new wings…

FORD’S 2008 Falcon is to be built on the existing model’s basic architecture, Wheels can reveal. Orion, as it’s codenamed, will be similar in size and, presumably, weigh to the current model. Our source is excellent, but must remain anonymous.

When asked to confirm or deny the accuracy of Wheels’ information, Ford Australia spokeswoman Sinead McAlary declined to answer the question directly, but her responses indicate our information is accurate.

“We have followed a program of continuous engineering and design improvement,“ McAlary said, referring to the approach adopted by Ford to the Falcon since the 2002 BA model. “That policy will not change with the introduction of the next Falcon. It will be new where it needs to be…”

Areas of Falcon requiring improvement are its doors - poor entry and egress are an acknowledged problem with the car - and its interior - packaging rather than design. With a brand new body on the existing architecture, both of these issues would be dealt with.

It’s possible Ford may adopt the Territory’s excellent front suspension and steering for the Falcon, and absolutely certain that it will continue to be powered by an in-line six-cylinder engine. Wheels understands that the Australian-made engine can - and will -be upgraded to meet tougher Euro 4 emissions standards, which are scheduled to replace the current Euro 3-equivalent standards here in 2010.

With Australia’s appetite for large cars waning, Ford presumably must have high-volume export aspirations for the Orion.

Bossxr8 · 25-11-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by T3ts50

Does this mean the motors will still be in the same position?

Not necessarly. They could technically move it wherever they need it as the body is all new.

Lagom · 25-11-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

I have spoke to plenty of suspension experts who say that the AU IRS was a better design than the control blade, it was only changed due to weight as why else would you change such a good set up after 4 years when holden had its for 15 years.

Control Blade was introduced due to cost - the double wishbone setup was too expensive, especially to introduce across the range.

Ford_Boy · 25-11-2006, 06:23 PM

the falcon doesnt have to be all new like the commie because there is not much to improve as in chassis wise copared to the commie. the problem i am worried about is that the media will not include it as all new and it will seem to people that its not as good as the new 1 billion dollar baby.

AWD Chaser · 25-11-2006, 06:41 PM

Slightly more aggressive look, and a very nice clean, professional looking dash, and it will b better then the VE. BA/BF already looks better then the VE... I just hope to hell that Ford DO NOT put massive wheel flares on like the VE.... it's not an RX8 poeple!!!!!!

/rant

Ford_Boy · 25-11-2006, 08:00 PM

au3 how do you know how it will turn out?

banarcus · 26-11-2006, 01:06 PM

But what about the spindle tester?

MrSparkle · 26-11-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by au3 chaser

I just hope to hell that Ford DO NOT put massive wheel flares on like the VE.... it's not an RX8 poeple!!!!!!

/rant

Bring on that slab-sided featureless bland-o-matic goodness!!

The Monty · 26-11-2006, 01:45 PM

Arrgghh, my eyes Mr. Sparkle, lol. Id like to see it with wider wheel arches, so you can fit big fat rubber, not flares though, they look spaky. Id like it more agressive, maybe a diesel version, or a hybrid would be different. It needs to be lighter, and more powerful, sound good, use less fuel, etc. Am I asking to much, lol. There has to be a compromise, as they cant do everything. Would love a meat pie holder though, so you can eat pies on the run.

irsa76 · 26-11-2006, 09:29 PM

Make it tow a decent load and I'm happy.