new laws for traffic offences in nz

[farmernz]

i saw on the news last nite that we (newzealand)are getting harsher penalties for speeding etc, if you exceed 130kph you get 50 demerits and $100 fine, if you get 100 demerits within 2 years you loose your licence.i think alot of people hit 130 when passing,they also are going to out law radar detectors. does this seem harsh?

[Elks]

Next they will put speed cameras everywhere, and rename the place 'Eastern Victoria"

[smoo]

It has always been if you exceed 100 points in two years you loose your licence, I think. I got done for 33 kays (113kmh) over the Harbour bridge at 1:30 on a Thursday morning, which was a $300 fine and 40 points, I doubt they'd drop the fine by $200.

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by smoo

It has always been if you exceed 100 points in two years you loose your licence, I think. I got done for 33 kays (113kmh) over the Harbour bridge at 1:30 on a Thursday morning, which was a $300 fine and 40 points, I doubt they'd drop the fine by $200.

Why not, NSW did the same thing a couple of years ago where for <15km/h over the fine dropped to $70 odd and the points increased from 1 to 3 points. According to the press release at the time, this was to show it wasn't revenue raising but road safety.

[The Stylist]

Apparently they're banning radar detectors too, just for the hell of it rather than serving any real purpose. What will be most interesting to see, is if NZ's road toll keeps going up after the changes are implemented.

[MAGPIE]

Add this to the extra $50 ACC levy, yet another two cents onto the fuel and the Govt wonder why Kiwi's are up and leaving in droves !

They have NFI when it comes to road safety....


I'll be keeping my radar detector thank you very much Helen :thebirds:

[Green X]

Originally Posted by The Stylist

Apparently they're banning radar detectors too, just for the hell of it rather than serving any real purpose. What will be most interesting to see, is if NZ's road toll keeps going up after the changes are implemented.

It will, what state in Aus or NZ has had a significant road toll drop from any laws brought in in the last 5 years, WA is going for a record high ATM, and there answer is more Speed cameras and fines.

[montyv8]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

yet another two cents onto the fuel

hey, c'mon, they have to pay for aucklands motorways somehow..
surely everyone else in the country doesn't mind forking out for that? :

[farmernz]

the government announces a billion doller surplus and we still have one lane bridges on some of our roads and not many passing lanes.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by montyv8

hey, c'mon, they have to pay for aucklands motorways somehow..
surely everyone else in the country doesn't mind forking out for that? :

I actually have no problem with that, or for motorways in any main centres, if I go there I use them.

What I do have a problem with is how the Govt has been stealing the petrol tax money for the consolidated fund and then say there's not enough money to build the roads so they up the tax :

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by farmernz

the government announces a billion doller surplus and we still have one lane bridges on some of our roads and not many passing lanes.

And on one of the busiest SH's over summer !

[exrtnz]

They might ban radar detectors but it wont stop people using them.

[EviLkarL]

Maybe Australia can introduce a new system. If you loose more then 9 demerit points within a 2 year period and you are a kiwi, we ship you and your family back to NZ and cancel your visa.

Now that would be a law worth implementing.

[GT0132]

Originally Posted by EviLkarL

Maybe Australia can introduce a new system. If you loose more then 9 demerit points within a 2 year period and you are a kiwi, we ship you and your family back to NZ and cancel your visa.

Now that would be a law worth implementing.

Kiwis don't need Visas

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by exrtnz

They might ban radar detectors but it wont stop people using them.

Like most AUS states, they will simply use radar detector detectors to hunt such users down. (Those of you in the know about a certain unit, yes I know).

The move to ban radar detector ownership in NZ is simply to protect revenue income. They could at least prohibit the product to those still in their first three year period of holding a license, not ban the item outright for all license holders. NSW could not find ANY evidence that having a radar detector in a car caused crashes.

You Kiwi's have a choice, no discussion - just let Clarke and friends know that you won't tolerate a prohibition, write, ring and about it. Lose that existing right to own one, and you will likely lose it forever.

WA will continue to resist such a prohibition, unless it can be shown the devices are directly causing road crashes.

Would one of you Kiwi's be kind enough to have Helen Clarke direct LTSA to remove the 'Open Road Sign' (speed derestriction), the sign is an international one representing in international law; "END OF ALL LOCAL PROHIBITIONS IMPOSED ON MOVING VEHICLES", not 'open road speed limit 100', or 'default' or 'rural default speed-limit'. NZ remains the only country to get this sign wrong, and has done so since 1976, hopeless really.

Originally Posted by ozmale42

Kiwis don't need Visas

They should.

[GT0132]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

I actually have no problem with that, or for motorways in any main centres, if I go there I use them.

What I do have a problem with is how the Govt has been stealing the petrol tax money for the consolidated fund and then say there's not enough money to build the roads so they up the tax :

There's a lot to be said for user pays in my opinion.

I recently did a round trip...Sutherland to Windsor then back via North Sydney....If I'd taken the conventional route that trip would have taken me 3-4 hours in travel time and around 150 sets of traffic lights. By taking the M5, M7, M2, Harbour Tunnel and Eastern Distributor I paid around $15 in tolls but probably saved $20 in fuel and 2 hours , so user pays tolls are fine. I don't think non users should have to pay for roads via taxes though

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by EviLkarL

Maybe Australia can introduce a new system. If you loose more then 9 demerit points within a 2 year period and you are a kiwi, we ship you and your family back to NZ and cancel your visa.

Now that would be a law worth implementing.

You really have a problem with people coming to our country dont you?
Grow up.

[EviLkarL]

Spoken like a true Kiwi.

I am grown up, its over-rated. Now I just prefer to voice my opinions

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by EviLkarL

Spoken like a true Kiwi.

I am grown up, its over-rated. Now I just prefer to voice my opinions

Not a kiwi.

This is not the place to mention that you dont like people visiting Aus.

Find a more appropriate way to voice them, i am sure there is a redneck forum somewhere.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Would one of you Kiwi's be kind enough to have Helen Clarke direct LTSA to remove the 'Open Road Sign' (speed derestriction), the sign is an international one representing in international law; "END OF ALL LOCAL PROHIBITIONS IMPOSED ON MOVING VEHICLES", not 'open road speed limit 100', or 'default' or 'rural default speed-limit'. NZ remains the only country to get this sign wrong, and has done so since 1976, hopeless really.

sometimes known as the 'derestriction' sign, has the international meaning 'end of maximum speed limit'. In the UK, however, it has been given the meaning 'national speed limit applies', which means a 60mph speed limit on single carriageway roads and a 70mph speed limit on dual carriageway roads.

same as NZ.

[exrtnz]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Like most AUS states, they will simply use radar detector detectors to hunt such users down. (Those of you in the know about a certain unit, yes I know).


They should.

But , good radar detectors nowdays are invisable too the RDD's , until the coppers come out with a new one! :

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Would one of you Kiwi's be kind enough to have Helen Clarke direct LTSA to remove the 'Open Road Sign' (speed derestriction), the sign is an international one representing in international law; "END OF ALL LOCAL PROHIBITIONS IMPOSED ON MOVING VEHICLES", not 'open road speed limit 100', or 'default' or 'rural default speed-limit'. NZ remains the only country to get this sign wrong, and has done so since 1976, hopeless really.

To which Magpie quotes from somewhere;-

Quote: sometimes known as the 'derestriction' sign, has the international meaning 'end of maximum speed limit'. In the UK, however, it has been given the meaning 'national speed limit applies', which means a 60mph speed limit on single carriageway roads and a 70mph speed limit on dual carriageway roads.

See italics above and comprehend same at contracted international law. NZ and UK are the only two countries in default, UK *are* removing the signs and to date the sign is simply subject to the 'temporary speed control order', done after the fuel crisis back in 74'.

NZ *must* remove the signs or accept its international meaning, and that is exactly as applied in Germany, India, Isle of Mann etc. (And will).

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by EviLkarL

Spoken like a true Kiwi.

I am grown up, its over-rated. Now I just prefer to voice my opinions

You can keep your redneck opinions to yourself Cleetus, or you will be voicing your opinions somewhere else.

[Fev]

try livin in sydney.. ugh

[UKXR8]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Originally Posted by Keepleft



To which Magpie quotes from somewhere;-

See italics above and comprehend same at contracted international law. NZ and UK are the only two countries in default, UK *are* removing the signs and to date the sign is simply subject to the 'temporary speed control order', done after the fuel crisis back in 74'.

NZ *must* remove the signs or accept its international meaning, and that is exactly as applied in Germany, India, Isle of Mann etc. (And will).

Thats not true, the signs are everywhere over here in the UK, no mention of them being moved. Also found them to be evident when I was in Italy last week, where it can mean anything between 90 and 150km/h. Seen quite a few of them in Eire as well when I was there.

Sounds pretty an*l in NZ ATM, guess thats what happens when you have an ahem "woman" in charge too long....

[The Stylist]

I read the latest NZAutocar magazine the other day, the one with the FG Falcon on the cover. In the letters to editor section there were quite a few people unhappy with the decision to ban radar detectors. I've heard there is a fair bit of opposition growing around the country in regards to the law change, and that this law change would be repealed by the National government if it got into power.

[sprjenkins]

Originally Posted by farmernz

i saw on the news last nite that we (newzealand)are getting harsher penalties for speeding etc, if you exceed 130kph you get 50 demerits and $100 fine, if you get 100 demerits within 2 years you loose your licence.i think alot of people hit 130 when passing,they also are going to out law radar detectors. does this seem harsh?

lol that's hilareous, move to Victoria mate. Get caught doing 130kph and you will have your car impounded, get a $1000-$2500 fine and lose your license for 6 months. rotflmao, funniest thing i've heard in ages

[sprjenkins]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Like most AUS states, they will simply use radar detector detectors to hunt such users down. (Those of you in the know about a certain unit, yes I know).

The move to ban radar detector ownership in NZ is simply to protect revenue income. They could at least prohibit the product to those still in their first three year period of holding a license, not ban the item outright for all license holders. NSW could not find ANY evidence that having a radar detector in a car caused crashes.

You Kiwi's have a choice, no discussion - just let Clarke and friends know that you won't tolerate a prohibition, write, ring and about it. Lose that existing right to own one, and you will likely lose it forever.

WA will continue to resist such a prohibition, unless it can be shown the devices are directly causing road crashes.

Would one of you Kiwi's be kind enough to have Helen Clarke direct LTSA to remove the 'Open Road Sign' (speed derestriction), the sign is an international one representing in international law; "END OF ALL LOCAL PROHIBITIONS IMPOSED ON MOVING VEHICLES", not 'open road speed limit 100', or 'default' or 'rural default speed-limit'. NZ remains the only country to get this sign wrong, and has done so since 1976, hopeless really.



They should.

lol, radar detectors are passive units and don't emit any signal, they are simply recievers. There for they can't be detected with anything other than a Mark one eyeball. LOL, love some of the crap that's made up on the internet

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by sprjenkins

lol, radar detectors are passive units and don't emit any signal, they are simply recievers. Therefore they can't be detected with anything other than a Mark one eyeball. LOL, love some of the crap that's made up on the internet

Someone want to fill him in 'Stalkar' MK1, MK2, MK3 etc:-))) I'll do it.
http://www.spectre-rdd.com/stalcar.asp
(One civilian unit notwithstanding).

Originally Posted by UKXR8

Thats not true, the signs are everywhere over here in the UK, no mention of them being moved. SNIP

Not yet; *will*, *must comply*. "Are" applies to Highways Agency advice to date.

Notes Italian reference (and I see elsewhere Poland too - ditto same). To quote UNECE Transport Division; "Public servants often 'forget' where road traffic signs come from and of their contracting obligations to them".

The sign DOES NOT mean 'speed-limit' 120 - 160km/h.

[Keepleft]

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