Is the 157kw ef-au i6 enough to get a young guy in big trouble?

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

Irresponsibly has nothing to do with age.

irresponsibility in a car usually is to do with inexperience.

Inexperience = Young age = immaturity

You cannot teach maturity, not at training courses or education, you almost just grow into it. like being too short to be admitted to a ride at the circus, theres no education to make someone suitable, they are just too short. When they are tall enough they can ride.

157kw must be right on the cusp as being unsuitable. The 165kw V8 motor was banned but 157kw i6 allowed? In the exact same car?

Do you put a loaded gun in a childs hand? is 157kw a loaded gun?

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Do you put a loaded gun in a childs hand? is 157kw a loaded gun?

enough with the theatrics - question has been answered

[MAD]

Make sure it's auto, put good tyres on it and it will be lucky to break traction.

If it's got cheap-*** chinese tyres, it could be pedal powered and have trouble maintaining traction.


Why do I get the feeling that none of these "question threads" of yours are legitimate, but only designed to fish out different answers to the same questions, in order for you to have some sort of twisted idea of ammunition in an argument with an owner of an old Mercedes Benz about how he can't talk at the same level as a Doctor, but can beat a Commodore that has done 162,000km, yet won't be as fast as a high km EL that keeps up with HSV's, in the best looking VT ever to grace the land.

[buggo]

Wow, I hope that this question is just taking the ****

A Corolla and any other 4cyl car from the last 10 years would smoke an EL, should we keep the kids out of those death traps too?

I had 182kw at 17 and I'm still alive, 270 at 20 and not dead yet. If he's gunna crash it won't matter if it's an XR6 or a 89' laser. He'll pull his head in the first time he oversteps the line.

[tweeked]

News Flash - P Plater caught speeding away dangerously from a family barbecue in a 157 kw EL Falcon. When questioned, police said his only excuse was that he was bailed up by a family friend who asked if his EL was better than a VT. if a tuned AU would be more reliable with a Centrifugal Supercharger or would a PD blower break it, whether or not the vehicle was immaculate and good value when it was purchased..........

"I just had to get away, i couldn't take it anymore, lock me up - I don't care, but please just no more what if questions"........ he said.

[supershifty]

A defensive driving course is not a bad idea. I started driving a company car when I was 25. It was mandatory that all employees who drove a company car do a company funded defensive driving course. At first I thought "c'mon, get real, I can drive". I attended it and learned a few things that I embedded into my driving habits. One thing that I'm sure has saved me from injury was that when waiting to turn across oncoming traffic to keep your wheels straight, then turn when all is clear - I got rear ended once and went straight ahead, if I had my wheels turned at the ready I would've been shunted in the path of an oncoming truck. Yeah, my car was munted but I was ok.

Any car is a weapon. Putting a scalpel in your hand doesn't make you a surgeon. I did some really stupid stuff in cars when I started driving, very luckily I didn't hurt myself, or worse still someone else.

The lad is gonna learn one way or the other Hulk, hopefully he pulls through alright. You can't put an old head on young shoulders. Little or lots of kW isn't gonna make a shard of difference.

[bangm001]

They can get into trouble with a gutless POS if they have NO RESPECT!

I learnt in a EF falcon, and yeah sure, plenty of power, torque etc but that is what gave me the respect for cars I have today.

Once I proved to my olds I was a good driver, i was handed the keys to my old mans brand new manual VYSS fairly quickly and never got myself into any trouble.

[Motorbreath310]

Originally Posted by turboclown

Its quite apparent that you are allowed to abuse certain members but not others, this forum really is ******

To be fair, this iteration of HULK, as well as His numerous other suffixed aliases, kinda ask for it.

However, I've always questioned the P-plater rules. How a carbied 12a Mazda, or a 5l VN are on the banned list, but they're allowed to drive around in 190-odd kilowatt XR6's and SV6 Commodores.

As others have said, you can get yourself into trouble in anything. And it's typically the old, cheap, slow, s%$tboxes that cop the most abuse, and make for the most "lol, watch this" moments.

[mik]

You can get into trouble with a 72 hp 1600, any vehicle can end your life if driven foolishly.

[Franco Cozzo]

The EL isnt overly powerful but thats not its problem, I've had the rear step out on a slightly wet road by surprise at around 30km/h and the same when corning on a dirt road, the moment you have an off camber corner in an EF/EL in some poor condition and it will let go, I've got Boge shocks and new BF Goodrich Sport T/A on all corners on my car.

I find it much easier to control understeer than oversteer, understeer you just lift off or brake and the front will come back in, much easier to control through when you are first driving on your Ps and **** your pants and freak out.

[Professor Farnsworth]

none of my 3 EL Ghia's would step out noticeably to be honest - but the XR is on another planet in that regard

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

none of my 3 EL Ghia's would step out noticeably to be honest - but the XR is on another planet in that regard

That's interesting, mines a Ghia too, maybe mines just a bung car.

It doesn't have enough balls to force it to do it either so every time its happened to me has caught me by surprise.

Maybe in just too used to driving cars that handle like theyre on rails.

[Professor Farnsworth]

yeah i love the hard-cornering characteristics of FWD and RWD.. FWD are easier to keep on track for sure (in less space) but RWD has a charm of its own

[raised by monkeys]

Another classic thread ha.
Although, my input the ef el is a lightweight car. I had an 5spd ef xr6 and was pretty quick, especially in its time. I bought it in 2003. Quite a few mods. Got me in some trouble, but that reflected my young immature driving style

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I find it much easier to control understeer than oversteer, understeer you just lift off or brake and the front will come back in,

You needed to get out on dirt roads more



You just have to remember 3 things......

Understeer = through the hedge forwards.

Oversteer = through the hedge backwards.

Neutral Steering = through the hedge upside down !

[Boss_340]

FFS! i think maybe just give him a bike.
We gave our ef to our son when he got his licence, he has just turned 22 on full brief, he has now sold the ef, and wants my BA XR8, lol.
During the time he owned the car, yes it got lowered, still was legal. some other mods, still was a safe car, heck my first car was a 2 door valiant pacer. that was a scary car compared to a ef falcon.
And why would you mention commadores, and yes you are a alarmist.

[bangm001]

Yep time to let them go. Plus most kids his age prob dont give a toss about the power, its the big back seat the falcon offers he's probably interested in.

[tapeworm]

Originally Posted by graham_h

my Vauxhall Viva only had 58hp
I had it airbourne many times drove it like an idiot
Went every where flat out because it was low powered
Better to educate the young bloke, that's what I'll be doing with my two lads

haha..

[CyberWasp]

I can't wait for next weeks thread when the friends son starts dating a girl with a big rack and a short skirt.

[Jack91]

Well, I crashed a standard ef gli when first getting my p's. With factory 4wd ride height in the rear they are completely unpredictable in the wet. Plus I was an immature idiot and tried to be all tokyo drift. Just dinged up the undercarriage and flattened 2 tyres but it was ok. Then I completely totalled my ef xr6 about a year ago, not specifically being a dick, but it was definately my own fault. Really lucky to walk away from that one. Moral of the story is that some young people are just "hoons". Doesnt matter what car theyre in, theyll get it over 200 and drift every roundabout in the wet.

[Crazy Dazz]

Given that "first car" is usually dictated by budget, something like a Falcon is a good idea, because you get decent features for the money, and it will be easy and cheap for him to ensure he has good shocks and brakes. Its also safer and cheaper when colliding with trees, walls, letterboxes, etc.

Yes, its a fair bit of power, but I actually believe that big torquey motors are safer as you can learn to use a moderate throttle. (One of my early cars was so gutless, that full-throttle on take-off was mandatory, and it would sometimes break traction and let fly.)

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by Iggle Piggle

but also need to know if the EF has more than 162000km on it and spent a fair amount of time idling in the Macca's waiting bay.

I'm not sure how many km on it but from viewing the car and it's condition id say its about 120000-125000km. But it's irrelevant, the km question is only relevant if there is a sale to someone unbeknown of the history.

I'm guessing if the car is passed down it will spend more than its fair share in a maccas car park.

All those people that say they learned in a v8? I'd bet their v8 had less than 157kw. Old snorting carby V8s weren't exactly slingshots, the 157kw i6 would bolt away from them.

[flooded one]

doesn't matter if the car has 157kw, 57kw or 751kw, you can be an idiot in any car regardless of power. Its not the car. its the nut behind the wheel

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

irresponsibility in a car usually is to do with inexperience.

Inexperience = Young age = immaturity

You cannot teach maturity, not at training courses or education, you almost just grow into it. like being too short to be admitted to a ride at the circus, theres no education to make someone suitable, they are just too short. When they are tall enough they can ride.

157kw must be right on the cusp as being unsuitable. The 165kw V8 motor was banned but 157kw i6 allowed? In the exact same car?

Do you put a loaded gun in a childs hand? is 157kw a loaded gun?

As Helen Lovejoy from the Simpsons would say " Will some body please think of the children".

[Auslandau]

Question has been answered a few times so lets finish it before it gets out of hand to much ......

BUT ...... I just need to say, as the last comment which seems to sum up most above!

If a licensed driver cannot control himself or an EF or AU ..... or any P plate legal vehicle ...... for everyone else's sake ...... take the license from them now!