The Thailand Special Thread - New Developments/News

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Surely would just go up a wheel size to put it in something with 126 load rating, surely easier to add a wheel size to the platform than a new rear axle and body mods to cover up duallies.

Well the front tyres will probably stay the same at 255/70/16 or maybe 17". I doubt they'll go bigger diameter than that, because this thing will be commercial focused and will need heavier duty rims and tyres. Only heavy duty trucks run 17"+ diameter.

Now the back tyres won't be any different size unless they run more of them.
Interestingly 255/70/16 are similar diameter to 205/85/16, the latter is a common light truck tyre size.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Ben73

$10 they put the 2L bi turbo engine in it.

Odds on favorite for sure, and I'm going to shout from the rooftops about how lame that is, I don't think there's money in the engineering budget to play different engines, especially when they're doing an experimental project moving it into a different category (light truck).

However, it beats the Isuzu N series, even with the bigger 5.2L diesel 4 cylinder they have in one of them (114kw/419nm or something lame).

[FlipXW]

Surely they put a version on the V6 ecoboost in it. Its already in the raptor so engineering shouldn’t be a problem and its proven to handle big weights in F150 applications.

[Warrenk]

In the US the 2.7ltr ecoboost is already an option in the Ranger.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Odds on favorite for sure, and I'm going to shout from the rooftops about how lame that is, I don't think there's money in the engineering budget to play different engines, especially when they're doing an experimental project moving it into a different category (light truck).

However, it beats the Isuzu N series, even with the bigger 5.2L diesel 4 cylinder they have in one of them (114kw/419nm or something lame).

True, but they do have a very good V6 diesel engine available. I guess there’s a lot more bi tubro engines sitting in the warehouse gathering dust. That’s probably the reason why the “ big tough off-road Termor” comes with the soft engine only.

[XR Martin]

Going by the spy pics I was wrong about dually, but correct regarding what load rating the tyres will be.
275/70R18s 125 rating.

[XR Martin]

BTW I think this is a massive coup by Ford.
Basically will kill off the LC79.
Will also kill off the aftermarket Landcruiser 200/300 dual cab conversions.
They'll still be a market for F150 and Silverado as their more lifestyle based, not hardcore work vehicles.

The only thing that may let Ford down is reliability.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Basically will kill off the LC79.
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Haha, I doubt it.

If the $80k+ price tag can't kill it then nothing will.... Mind you I think the 79 crowd will be less forgiving of the lack of v8 compared to the 300 crowd so perhaps there is a chink in the armour.

[MITCHAY]

It will be interesting to see how a Ranger SD will go. It might be a gap they can exploit in price.

[XR Martin]

70 series has always been limited by supply, and no more V8s can be ordered.
So basically you're left with a 500nm 4cyl TD in a 40yo vehicle with solid front axle and mismatched track widths, as well as a 6 month+ wait and zero star safety.

Or a SD Ranger which has a greater payload, towing and GCM.

[Franco Cozzo]

Curious to see one on the hoist, Fullboost did an VDJ79 and a Ranger Raptor side by side on the hoist, and the Ranger Raptor made the VDJ79 look like it was slapped together with paper maccas straws,

Maybe the Ranger Raptor and the Ranger Super Duty are similarly beefed up,

Curious to see Isuzu NPR/Hino 300 vs Ranger Super Duty as well, they're both 4500kg-5500kg GVM light trucks.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

BTW I think this is a massive coup by Ford.
Basically will kill off the LC79.
Will also kill off the aftermarket Landcruiser 200/300 dual cab conversions.
They'll still be a market for F150 and Silverado as their more lifestyle based, not hardcore work vehicles.

The only thing that may let Ford down is reliability.

If the SD Ranger comes with V8 then you might be correct, otherwise something tells me that is not going to happen. The LC79 might experience a dip in sales but Toyota still has its loyal customer base from rural Australia.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Itsme

If the SD Ranger comes with V8 then you might be correct, otherwise something tells me that is not going to happen. The LC79 might experience a dip in sales but Toyota still has its loyal customer base from rural Australia.

You could paint a Bull turd Desert Tan and put a Land Cruiser badge on it... There would still be a line out the door.. Look at new Prado... Basically carryover engine, 250kg+ heavier, crappy boot/3rd row packaging thanks to the 48v system and they will still line up. Nothing Ford can do to win them over...

Done right, SD may win over those who only buy LC/Light trucks because they have no other real choice in the market until now. This, if course, is if Ford doesnt snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and curse it with the Bi Turbo as the only engine choice..

With the V6 Diesel, wonder if theres room to wick it up a but with some more KW/NM...

[XR Martin]

Keep in mind the engines in the US Super Dutys are de-rated compared to the standard models.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

You could paint a Bull turd Desert Tan and put a Land Cruiser badge on it... There would still be a line out the door.. Look at new Prado... Basically carryover engine, 250kg+ heavier, crappy boot/3rd row packaging thanks to the 48v system and they will still line up. Nothing Ford can do to win them over...

Done right, SD may win over those who only buy LC/Light trucks because they have no other real choice in the market until now. This, if course, is if Ford doesnt snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and curse it with the Bi Turbo as the only engine choice..

With the V6 Diesel, wonder if theres room to wick it up a but with some more KW/NM...

Well true that prob is the case re the Toy devotee’s but they have good enough reason to this day.
They may not be the reliable beast of old but new tech has been the challenge for every company.
I was just with one of my large well known to consumers 4x4 Specialist mob that buy near on every new model release for R&D for their products on Friday.
They have a workshop not for retail work but just for their work.
I was looking over the new Prado they have had for sometime having done some off road testing and putting on more of their product.
I asked what they think and compared to their Everest.
To them both good vehicles but the Toy to them is the better product in quality and build.
I take this companies pov seriously for they don’t talk BS they say it how it is for they have no favourite they just want to seek product and shed load of it here and Export.
They know every brands strengths and weakness down to the Chinese dual cabs and yanky pick ups they also have as test vehicles.


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