Twice as Many P platers died this year than last - Power Restrictions

[GCFordChic]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

It's mostly about P platers attitude, adults can get their point across without swearing.

I agree...but i think i have done it nicely!!! :1syellow1

[Longreach]

One problem i may see with restricting the kind of cars peopel can buy to such an extent is that, you get a 17year old that has worked since he/she was 15 and their parents decide to help buy there first car, and between the two of them they have a hypothetical 10,000$.

Now if they kid can't buy a v6/i6 either, because if the restricting engine sizes keeps going since theres been little results with just v8's. 6's will get restricted as well.
Back on point though, if they are limited to a 4, they odd's are the kid will think why spend 10,000$ on a car i dont' want when i can just buy a cheapy, thrash it for 2 years and with all the extra cash i've got go out and buy a more powerful one.

Now i'm not raising the point of kids going from a low power car to a high power car because experience is still gained which is overly usefull, just the fact i think you'd find alot more p platers driving cars around which are alot more run down than what currently are. Which may cause another problem in road toll, as what happens when Joe Blow wraps his focus around a power poll, end of the day idiot is still an idiot. But he may of thrashed it harder because its only 2,000 and its a heap of **** he doesn't care about.

If you asked any of my mates that drive cars they have had ot pay for themselves that have cost them more cash, i'm not saying a 20,000 car, but say the 10,000 mark. None of them are game enough to thrash it as its worth to much to them and that comes with pride.

I personally think the goverment could spend its time doing other things which would better serve the community than cracking down on p platers. Removing speed cameras and having more cops on the road to reduce the chance of people gettin away with idiot behaviour would be a start.

[EBFalcs]

i been off my P's for a few years so theres that theory out the window

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by EBFalcs

i been off my P's for a few years so theres that theory out the window

Are you over 26?
Anyway mental age (maturity) can be different to actual age too.....

[Falcon Coupe]

Growing old does not always = growing up.

[EBFalcs]

the reason why more p platers die in cars now is probably because the population of australia is probably 3 times that of in 1970's so of course more deaths will occur on the roads in p's and older drivers,

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by EBFalcs

the reason why more p platers die in cars now is probably because the population of australia is probably 3 times that of in 1970's so of course more deaths will occur on the roads in p's and older drivers,

look at the percentages, population growth is irrelevant...

[Sapper]

Umm, there's a reason that there are more young drivers than older drivers is that young drivers have alot less experience. They have a lot less experience because they've been driving less than older drivers. And the reason they've been driving less is because they're younger. Is everyone here expecting young drivers to have less accidents per number of drivers than mature drivers...

Does no one realise this?

Its a sad thing when anyone dies on the road but you will NEVER have less accidents among younger drivers than mature drivers. Why are people surprised at this?

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

look at the percentages, population growth is irrelevant...

If you have seen them 4Vman i would love to see a comparison to say the mid 90's, then 80's, then 70's.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

If you have seen them 4Vman i would love to see a comparison to say the mid 90's, then 80's, then 70's.

Yes that would be interesting, my guess is they're getting worse... i started driving in the mid 80's, my old man was so strict about teaching me correctly and would come down on me like a tonne of bricks if i stuffed up or clowned around, things have certainly changed.

[GCFordChic]

hardly a huge difference from year to year though...and thats what we are looking at

[ssb2005]

all i can add to this is that i can be just as dangerous is a gutless car as a ballsy one

when i was a p-plater i was carved up on the road by alot more stupid behaviour from older people by the younger ones. today some mum in a bubble car with a baby on board sticker on it cutting me off and driving bloody dangerously.

we need better driver training and such, but that has a bad pay off of in a way encouraging it.

[Falcon_Phill]

I could get off my chair right now, then run into a wall and die even without a car. Its got nothing to do with how powerful these cars are, or what body mods they have, or anything else. If someones going to be an idiot, with no education on how to drive or react, then theyll most likely end up in an accident. Not that i could give a **** that people want to be like this, just dont crash into me.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

I could get off my chair right now, then run into a wall and die even without a car. Its got nothing to do with how powerful these cars are, or what body mods they have, or anything else. If someones going to be an idiot, with no education on how to drive or react, then theyll most likely end up in an accident. Not that i could give a **** that people want to be like this, just dont crash into me.

I agree, but if you cant keep idiots off the road then you have to remove as many factors as you can, powerful cars are certainly 1 undeniable contributing factor.

[EBFalcs]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I agree, but if you cant keep idiots off the road then you have to remove as many factors as you can, powerful cars are certainly 1 undeniable contributing factor.

well why don't we ban all V8, 6cyl, turbo and supercharged vehicles in australia, that would make it much better for everyone, it would even save fuel

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by EBFalcs

well why don't we ban all V8, 6cyl, turbo and supercharged vehicles in australia, that would make it much better for everyone, it would even save fuel

Why would they need to?

[EBFalcs]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Why would they need to?

well why did they ban all auto and semi auto guns and make guns and liscences so hard to get,

because they are dangerous in the wrong hands same with powerful cars, so lets get ris of them.

[drcook]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I agree, but if you cant keep idiots off the road then you have to remove as many factors as you can, powerful cars are certainly 1 undeniable contributing factor.

although i agree with all your posts in this thread 4Vman, i think in this instance the point is being missed.

"if you cant keep idiots of the road" - yes you can. its called a stricter licencing system with better education (compulsory passing of a qualified driver training centre course)

"you have to remove as many factors as you can" - if said stricter licencing system was put in place, then you could argue that these factors dont have to be removed ie, powerful cars.

i seriously think there is a general public mindset that everyone should be allowed to drive but then enjoy government intervantion to protect them from themselves. if a person needs protecting from themselves (ie, restrictions on cars, cerfew, etc) then they should be able to get a licence!.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by drcook

although i agree with all your posts in this thread 4Vman, i think in this instance the point is being missed.

"if you cant keep idiots of the road" - yes you can. its called a stricter licencing system with better education (compulsory passing of a qualified driver training centre course)

"you have to remove as many factors as you can" - if said stricter licencing system was put in place, then you could argue that these factors dont have to be removed ie, powerful cars.

i seriously think there is a general public mindset that everyone should be allowed to drive but then enjoy government intervantion to protect them from themselves. if a person needs protecting from themselves (ie, restrictions on cars, cerfew, etc) then they should be able to get a licence!.

I honestly dont believe its possible to asses someone's attitude, mindset or level of maturity in regards to how they conduct themselves behind the wheel in any form of formalised driving test, even some of the crazyiest drivers can behave themselves enough to pass a driving test or skill test.
Some of the most idiotic drivers ive ever seen are very good drivers in terms of skills and car control, its their attitude to driving that gets them in trouble or at worst involved in a fatality.

Maybe some psycologists can analyse the minds of crazy young drivers and see if its possible to isolate a common behavioural indicator, and refuse people who display this indicator or trait a licence.

[drcook]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I honestly dont believe its possible to asses someone's attitude, mindset or level of maturity in regards to how they conduct themselves behind the wheel in any form of formalised driving test, even some of the crazyiest drivers can behave themselves enough to pass a driving test or skill test.
Some of the most idiotic drivers ive ever seen are very good drivers in terms of skills and car control, its their attitude to driving that gets them in trouble or at worst involved in a fatality.

Maybe some psycologists can analyse the minds of crazy young drivers and see if its possible to isolate a common behavioural indicator, and refuse people who display this indicator or trait a licence.

thats why i go back to my original post where i think the attitiude has to change, as we've both said, to them regarding a licence as a privelage & responsibility not just a piece of plastic that they think they deserve to have.

when does a person appreciate something? when they have had to work for it. you see it everyday. older millionaire businessmen of today still have that level of humility because they appreciate the hard work theyve put in to creating there wealth. then look at their kids. the kids have never worked a hard day in their life and just blow the money out the window because they dont appreciate it!

its the same with a licence. if a person has had to endure driver training courses (compulsory, and have had to pass them) at their learners & provisional courses, plus the written tests (harder than the bollocks they face atm), plus road tests (harder) plus an increase in costs (say, 600-800 dollars overall) then when they finally get their licence they think

"geez, that was hard, not many of us are passing, and its easy to loose, and if i loose it then i have to go through that all again, i appreciate this"

[buickman]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I honestly dont believe its possible to asses someone's attitude, mindset or level of maturity in regards to how they conduct themselves behind the wheel in any form of formalised driving test, even some of the crazyiest drivers can behave themselves enough to pass a driving test or skill test.
Some of the most idiotic drivers ive ever seen are very good drivers in terms of skills and car control, its their attitude to driving that gets them in trouble or at worst involved in a fatality.

Maybe some psycologists can analyse the minds of crazy young drivers and see if its possible to isolate a common behavioural indicator, and refuse people who display this indicator or trait a licence.

I tend to agree on your comments as I have a young nephew that is studing at uni & is a very placied, mature polite person . But behind the wheel of the WRX he owns he becames another person I've spotted him numourous times because of his personlised plates racing & driving at insane speeds on public roads. I rang him a couple of times telling him to slow down & that he could kill others as well as himself plus the likely hood of lossing his car.
I not to sure how you would test someone that is intelligent & polite in every manner but sometimes driving dangerously with no regard to saftey maybe it is the challange in younger people that if a car wants a race on the public roads they don't seem to have control over the challange or the fear of death.

[ssb2005]

im only 19 but younger people these days have a way different attitude

[EBFalcs]

they should write what sort of cars the p-plater were driving when they crashed too, that would be interesting

[ssb2005]

they only glorify the bad crashes tho

[HSVETAR]

Definatly need a drivers skill course... No doubt about it, to pass your p's

[Nemesis737]

Originally Posted by HSVETAR

Definatly need a drivers skill course... No doubt about it, to pass your p's

I agree with ya, dam, even if I was off my P's I'd still do it!

[Falcon_Phill]

Heres a fun story from 2 weeks ago.

Theres a kid across the road from me trying to get he's P's, exept he cant read, write, and hes definatly not right in the head. Anyway someone from centrelink tells him to tell the RTA he needs his license as his father is sick, and he NEEDS to drive him around, and so they give it to him, without a test. When i heard this i got so angry. Less than a week later hes working on a farm, and takes the ute to 'fix' something. He runs it off the road, through barb wire and into a paddock, crashing it and leaving massive shreads on one side of the car.

If the RTA are stupid enough to give a mentally retarded kid a license who cant even read road signs, they should really have a good look at themselves. He previously failed the P's test 4 times before pulling this ****.

[poolkeeper]

Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

Heres a fun story from 2 weeks ago.

Theres a kid across the road from me trying to get he's P's, exept he cant read, write, and hes definatly not right in the head. Anyway someone from centrelink tells him to tell the RTA he needs his license as his father is sick, and he NEEDS to drive him around, and so they give it to him, without a test. When i heard this i got so angry. Less than a week later hes working on a farm, and takes the ute to 'fix' something. He runs it off the road, through barb wire and into a paddock, crashing it and leaving massive shreads on one side of the car.

If the RTA are stupid enough to give a mentally retarded kid a license who cant even read road signs, they should really have a good look at themselves. He previously failed the P's test 4 times before pulling this ****.

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[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

Heres a fun story from 2 weeks ago.

Theres a kid across the road from me trying to get he's P's, exept he cant read, write, and hes definatly not right in the head. Anyway someone from centrelink tells him to tell the RTA he needs his license as his father is sick, and he NEEDS to drive him around, and so they give it to him, without a test. When i heard this i got so angry. Less than a week later hes working on a farm, and takes the ute to 'fix' something. He runs it off the road, through barb wire and into a paddock, crashing it and leaving massive shreads on one side of the car.

If the RTA are stupid enough to give a mentally retarded kid a license who cant even read road signs, they should really have a good look at themselves. He previously failed the P's test 4 times before pulling this ****.

Tell me all about this if the story is 'true', I want specifics, names and locations etc and I'll take it much further. You can PM me the detail.

JP.

[geohatrick]

I have done i guess 60 hours i have had my l's for probably 18months considering going for my p's next two weeks now that i have a car.

The first thing my parents said to me is that i have to do a defensive driving course once i get my p's i am also doing a 4wd driving course which is a full weekend (we do a fair bit of 4wd even tho we live in sydney).

i would have to say the thing im most looking forward to once i get my p's is to take my car to eastern creek so i can find out what it can do and how hard i can push it around the corners on a legal course (im to scared to do corners fast at all on a street i hate gutters :S and my biggest fear is hitting a car) but still i have mates that do 100+ down roseville bridge in excels burnouts everything else doesn matter what car your in the most responsible p plater i know drives a vk v8 commy. Moral of the story p'platers should be forced to do defensive driver education be forced to drive a few laps around a race track to see how much fun it is to do legally and it really doesnt matter what car your in you can do stupid stuff (ever seen a a 1990 hyundai excel pop a front wheel doing a burnout... i have).

Cheers Zac