Fines for vehicle defects SA

[Matty4]

Originally Posted by sudszy

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Originally Posted by sudszy

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Originally Posted by sudszy

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There's ringing in my ears now..

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Of course if you drive an older car, road rules and regulations are just a suggestion and even if both headlights go or indeed you cant get a replacement steering box and the thing wanders all over the road ; you should be allowed out there because it is unreasonable to expect you to carry spares or be inconvenienced by not being able to use your car....... you aren’t really serious are you?

You're the one stating to make sure the car is roadworthy, so I'm throwing it out there on where am I going to get stuff from at night time, so I'm not driving a POS


Its not the rest of our problem to deal with if your local milk bar doesn’t stock sealed beams or someone has stolen your left handed wheel nuts, keep your car off the road until you deal with it. If it takes three months for a sealed beam to be sourced from the local repco, that’s your problem! You don’t know how to change them?, join an autoclub, they’ll probably even bring a light out for you.

Yes my problem, but I'm asking you where to get stuff, when servos don't stock it. But by the quote below, you are trying to backtrack and have no idea what so ever.

but really are you trying to tell us you cant walk into any autoparts store in Australia and get a 7 inch sealed beam off the shelf, and you cant find space somewhere for it in a valiant?.......comedian!


I know I can get them from here, but are they open 24/7. NO. You're the one suggesting replacing them, when they blow. Unfortunately the time you notice a headlight blow, is night time and these places aren't open then.


You could even do a conversion to 7in H4s and then the spare globes would fit in the glove box(if it hasn’t rotted away), any autoparts store would be able to help you out with that too, but you are more interested in excuses?

Not allowed to do this, when the car is on historic rego. How can plastic rot away too?

[xisled]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

Geez, I'd have a ball with your mechanic. I've got a 70's era Valiant and mudflaps were an optional extra. (No offense to you)

I did not say you had to have mud flaps on to have a roadworthy car. I said you need to have all 4 or NONE on the car, example if you have 2 at the front and 1 at the back, the car will not pass a roadworthy.

It is the same if you have 2 different tread types on your back tires. The tires may be roadworthy but because they do not match you can get defected.

This is in Victoria.

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by xisled

It is the same if you have 2 different tread types on your back tires. The tires may be roadworthy but because they do not match you can get defected.

This is in Victoria.

This is the same here in SA, can have differing treads front to rear but they have to be the same from side to side.

[Zero_PSI]

Police are awesome. I could be beaten within an inch of my life today....wouldn't do a thing about it.

But if I was doing 105 in a 100k zone with a brakelight out...WOOOAH..they'd send the whole squad out.

[pottery beige]

ffs defects are like getting a smack off your mum.. no big deal.......

[Zero_PSI]

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My last defect cost me close to 2grand.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Zero_PSI

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My last defect cost me close to 2grand.

its not that hard to play the game and have something all sweet with regency....

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

[SIZE="3"]I know I can get them from here, but are they open 24/7. NO. You're the one suggesting replacing them, when they blow. Unfortunately the time you notice a headlight blow, is night time and these places aren't open then.

So didnt I make your choices obvious , plan ahead, carry spares, change over the headlights to a type you can easily store, call the autoclub......or park the thing until daylight(though I suppose you can still get pinned for not having them in working order during the day, but heh, what are the chances and Im sure plod might not be that fussed either)
In short, your problem, not everyone elses , there is no option to drive it at night without two headlights.

Glovebox plastic?, you must have a the later model valiant, the 60s valiants all had fibre/cardboard gloveboxes that would rot away to nothing, especially with a bit of moisture from a leak in the plenum which was common amongst old valiants.

Not sure from your post, but you are saying you cant replace the headlights with modern equivalents if it is on historic rego?? the regulation does list safety items which Im sure improved headlights would classify as. But you are able to run radial tyres or do you have to run cross plys? I suppose it rests in the hand of some officando in your car club? but at the end of the day this is still not a ticket for you to be exempt from the road rules

BTW, Isnt historic rego and the discount you enjoy all about that the car is only driven on Sunday afternoons to official club meets or something?

[Booma]

Three main points I have taken from this thread....

1. Anymore posts I see from "Sudszy" will be disregarded

2. I can see the reasoning behind the fines for the defects, but I think they are way too excessive

3. 7.9million over 3 years works out to about 60 minor defects a day.........this works out about 65,700 minor defects over the first three years.


It would be interesting to see whether this will be used to actually get defective vehicles off the road (or at least motivate people to maintain them), or whether it will just be used as another tool to tighten the screws on the Modified Car and cruising scene

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

blaa blaa.. carry spare globe......

you miss the point, even if you check the lights every time you drive off I( and we all do that every time /sarcasm ) if the bulb blows when you are driving you get fined, this is revenue raising gestapo style, minor defects like this should just be the cop letting you know so you can replace the bulb

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

you miss the point, even if you check the lights every time you drive off I( and we all do that every time /sarcasm ) if the bulb blows when you are driving you get fined, this is revenue raising gestapo style, minor defects like this should just be the cop letting you know so you can replace the bulb

cmon, what are the chances of a globe going and being detected on the same day etc. Contrary to popular opinion, globes just dont blow at random, they age, they get thinner, brittle, they fail. Perhaps replace all the globes before they fail if you are that worried.

Myself, Ill cop the fine if one of my globes spits the dummy in front of a police car. If its gets all the weasels to change their ways who drive around for eternity with defects to change their ways, small price to pay....if it ever happens.

I can see perhaps some leeway being granted in these inspections, one globe out, speak nicely to plod, demonstrate your commitment to safety:"thanks officer, got a spare here, Ill put it in right now". But a couple of globes out(must of just happened officer..sure) or a headlight out, or attitude to plod, then "fine" is fine.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

you miss the point, even if you check the lights every time you drive off I( and we all do that every time /sarcasm ) if the bulb blows when you are driving you get fined, this is revenue raising gestapo style, minor defects like this should just be the cop letting you know so you can replace the bulb

not all cops are ****s ey..... deadset you would have to fail the attitude test BIGTIME and or get caught up to something really ****en stupid to be hit for the big $120 blown tail light.... yeah i carry em as i get around in a banged up old Falcon......

[93EB_SXR6]

Well, looks like I'll be taking my front mud flaps off then - was going to anyway.

I'm tired of hearing from a certain rules-and-regulations-lover.

Humans are not perfect, it isn't viable for me to carry spare headlights, tail-lights, indicator bulbs and reverse lamps, etc.
Also, if I was to change a headlight on a dark road in the middle of the country (which is where I do my driving most of the time) I would probably be unable to align it correctly, which is a danger to other road users as it would shine in the eyes of oncoming traffic.

I am however a member of the RAA, so you can't call me the devil's child Sudzy.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Professor_Evans

Well, looks like I'll be taking my front mud flaps off then - was going to anyway.

I'm tired of hearing from a certain rules-and-regulations-lover.

Humans are not perfect, it isn't viable for me to carry spare headlights, tail-lights, indicator bulbs and reverse lamps, etc.
Also, if I was to change a headlight on a dark road in the middle of the country (which is where I do my driving most of the time) I would probably be unable to align it correctly, which is a danger to other road users as it would shine in the eyes of oncoming traffic.

I am however a member of the RAA, so you can't call me the devil's child Sudzy.

Prof, you only need three or 4 bulbs to cover your EB falcon, dual filament 21/5W single filament 21W globe and h4 60/55W , (and probably one of those pin style ones for the front parker)
When you replace a headlight globe, you take the globe out from the back of the lamp body, provided you have purchased an authentic h4 globe it will slot into place perfectly with no need for alignment, sealed beams, yep, needs alignment.

[ratter]

sealed beams normally have spring clip retainer ring holding them in place in the main body, the main body has the adjustment, so normally an adjustment is not required

[Franco Cozzo]

If you're oging to carry spare globes, might as well as carry a spare torx key set if you own a modern car because generally the headlight assembly has to come out as well.

It does on my Fiesta and Focus anyway.

[Booma]

For a B Series you need to get the battery out or the airbox out, so you gotta remember your spanner and socket sets aswell ;)

Honestly though, I do agree that a cop isn't gonna whack you with a $120 fine for a blown globe.

Does anyone know if these fines are for each individual defect on the car, or if one fine covers the whole defect notice? (for example, a cop shop defect attracts the $120 fine and a regency defect attracts the $250 fine)

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

This is the same here in SA, can have differing treads front to rear but they have to be the same from side to side.

Rubbish. The tyre must be of the same construction all round, not the same tread pattern on each corner.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Not sure from your post, but you are saying you cant replace the BTW, Isnt historic rego and the discount you enjoy all about that the car is only driven on Sunday afternoons to official club meets or something?

You tell me. You seem to know more than me. I've only got 4 on historic rego. So what would I know?

At the end of the day, if you're polite to a copper, he isn't going to give you a $120 fine, just for a blown globe. That simple. All the media is doing, is blowing hot air, which is nothing unusual.

So about time you moved on, I reckon, because you have no idea on how older cars work, nor the historic rego system.

[93EB_SXR6]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Prof, you only need three or 4 bulbs to cover your EB falcon, dual filament 21/5W single filament 21W globe and h4 60/55W , (and probably one of those pin style ones for the front parker)
When you replace a headlight globe, you take the globe out from the back of the lamp body, provided you have purchased an authentic h4 globe it will slot into place perfectly with no need for alignment, sealed beams, yep, needs alignment.

I've always been told to align headlights after changing the globes, so I was just going on what I was told.

More "possible" scenarios - Sudzy style:
What if both my tail lights go out due to some unforeseen voltage spike which the fuse doesn't catch due to the involvement of ex-USSR scientists?
What if I'm driving along and a duck puts spikes over the road?

Really, I don't know why I bother trying to put any of my opinion into a thread which in Sudzy's patrol area.

I'm not going to carry spare globes, big deal!
Fine me Officer McSudz.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

You tell me. You seem to know more than me. I've only got 4 on historic rego. So what would I know?

At the end of the day, if you're polite to a copper, he isn't going to give you a $120 fine, just for a blown globe. That simple. All the media is doing, is blowing hot air, which is nothing unusual.

So about time you moved on, I reckon, because you have no idea on how older cars work, nor the historic rego system.

Heh, you are the one throwing lame excuses up in the air for your reasons to drive unroadworthy vehicles.

You are the one with 4 vehicles on historic rego, why dont you tell us whether the scrutineers in your car club actually will refuse to allow halogen inserts to replace the sealed beams and why and answer the question about whether they insist you must run cross plys as well.

It seems either you abuse the conditions of use of historic rego or have exaggerated the problems of being stranded without lights> You are supposed to only use the vehicle to go to club meets.....at 3am in the morning?

I have no idea on how older cars work?, one has to ask, how have you determined that?

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Professor_Evans

I've always been told to align headlights after changing the globes, so I was just going on what I was told.

More "possible" scenarios - Sudzy style:
What if both my tail lights go out due to some unforeseen voltage spike which the fuse doesn't catch due to the involvement of ex-USSR scientists?
What if I'm driving along and a duck puts spikes over the road?

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Same thing you do when any event happens where you cant get restore you car to roadworthy condition to continue your journey.....you park it,until it is fixed, or call for a tow truck and take it to someone that can.

Whether you have to remove half the front of the car to change the globe or the car was zapped by aliens there are no exemptions to being legally allowed to drive your vehicle in an unroadworthy state.

[Matty4]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Heh, you are the one throwing lame excuses up in the air for your reasons to drive unroadworthy vehicles.

And what was your lame excuse for driving an unroadworthy on a daily basis for 3 years???

Originally Posted by sudszy

It aint that hard, I drove a car for three years on the highway and in the city that didnt have a working speedo, tut, tut, no ticket for going too fast or to slow, its not really that hard.

Pot meet kettle.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Matty4

And what was your lame excuse for driving an unroadworthy on a daily basis for 3 years???



Pot meet kettle.

This thread is about being fined for not having working lights, in the case of headlights I agree and say "take no prisoners" , do you, or do you not understand why it is dangerous to not have operating lamps at all four corners of the vehicle?

What relevance the fact that I drove a car without a speedo(to clarify, the speedo "worked" but not to any consistency or accuracy and there were no regs for that at the time) for three years has to that, I fail to comprehend, or did I whinge about the unfairness having to pay a fine if detected and how it is all a govco conspiracy to tax motorists...

Seems you have no meaningful ideas on this issue and are as usual doing the low brow thing, attacking the messenger.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Perhaps you are not the only one who thinks that regulatory bodies across the planet decided that having lamps a miniumum distance from all four corners of the vehicle was needed just so govcos could raise money for people that couldnt check them.

It would be interesting to see if indeed there are people here that can explain why this reg is necessary?

In the meantime Ben, why not do a search, 'cars with one headlight' and see what pops up.

I know why cars should have 2 headlights, but someone doesn't deserve few hundred dollar fine just because there headlight may of blown 1 minute ago,

I thought you were so smart with roads and cars you would be able to explain in great detail why cars are deadly when 1 headlight goes out.

I searched what you told me to search. Here you go ill give you a taste.

padiddle 345 up, 58 down

buy padiddle mugs, tshirts and magnets
A game played while in a vehicle. 'Padiddle' is said when another vehicle is spotted that has only a single headlight. The person/people who didn't say padiddle must remove one article of clothing.

~A pair of shoes generally count as one article.
~Rules can be changed to include motorcycles, bicycles, etc.
~Word can be changed, so as to throw people off. If the phrase is, 'Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled pink pajamas.' It's likely that the person saying the phrase will mess up and will have to remove one article of their clothing.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Matty4

And what was your lame excuse for driving an unroadworthy on a daily basis for 3 years???



Pot meet kettle.

being an idiot seams like a fitting excuse.

lol jokes, don't ban me mods.

[84xespac]

Originally Posted by sudszy

This thread is about being fined for not having working lights, in the case of headlights I agree and say "take no prisoners" , do you, or do you not understand why it is dangerous to not have operating lamps at all four corners of the vehicle?

What relevance the fact that I drove a car without a speedo(to clarify, the speedo "worked" but not to any consistency or accuracy and there were no regs for that at the time) for three years has to that, I fail to comprehend, or did I whinge about the unfairness having to pay a fine if detected and how it is all a govco conspiracy to tax motorists...

Seems you have no meaningful ideas on this issue and are as usual doing the low brow thing, attacking the messenger.

Yet again you miss the point or just simply refuse to answer the question asked. Your speedo was broken for 3 years. Therefore was in an unroadworthy state which also means that it is classed as being unsafe for the road. Yet you still felt that it was fine for you to drive the vehicle on the road and a hyway no less where you were doing higher speeds.
Unroadworthy is unroadworthy whether it is a light or a speedo.
Thread is not only about being fined for a blown light it is about being fined for a minor defect which causes your car to be in an unroadworthy state which I believe your broken speedo would be classified as. So shut ya fat mouth once and for all and stop preaching on that soap box you bloody hypocrite.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I know why cars should have 2 headlights, but someone doesn't deserve few hundred dollar fine just because there headlight may of blown 1 minute ago,

I thought you were so smart with roads and cars you would be able to explain in great detail why cars are deadly when 1 headlight goes out.

I searched what you told me to search. Here you go ill give you a taste.

Ben, you can't work a search engine, but they let your drive a train engine

Ben, its all about being able to make out the four corners of the vehicle. If you look up the ADRs there are regs about how far from the edges of the car you must place headlights, brakelights, indicators and tail lights.

Do you think these regs are there for safety reasons or just there so they can fine you if you have a light out?

You understand why a parked car must have a reflectors so you dont run into to it at night? wouldnt be much good if the reflector was just on the left side of the car.

You claim to do a lot of driving, what's your immediate reaction when you see one light in the distance or approaching or in the rear view? Oh its a car with only one headlight, or its a motorcycle? Ive learnt to perhaps cater for it to be a car with one headlight, but do you see a safety problem?

If the right hand headlight is out, the approaching driver may think its a motorcycle positioned close to the left hand side of the road, and not realise there is a whole car in the approaching lane that they cant see. Or in the case of a pedestrian, the car approaching may have its left hand lamp out and think its a motorcycle travelling close to the middle of the road, and step out thinking they have meters to spare only to be cleaned up by the half of the car they cant see.

Im sure if you give it a go, you could come up with a whole lot of other scenarios where this could be a problem, rather than post back saying how its all a scam.

Perhaps have a look at what some others have also said about this:
http://car.808yx.com/a/Auto_Articles/20100321/2253.html
http://www.advanced-driving.co.uk/dr...ght-operating/

[84xespac]

Originally Posted by sudszy

You claim to do a lot of driving, what's your immediate reaction when you see one light in the distance or approaching or in the rear view? Oh its a car with only one headlight, or its a motorcycle?

I've been waiting for a moron to bring this arguement up and I figured the moron would be you. Not a valid reason at all. You can always tell a motor bike light coming towards you. always. A bike light due to the fact that it is directly above the front wheel has a un mistakable shake as it goes down the road. A car doesn't have this shake unless it's head light is incorrectly secured.
Might I also add that I am not saying it is safe to drive with a light out. I always have spare globes fuses radiator hoses and fan belts along with adequate tools to replace any of these things in the boot of every car I own and always have.