Unions will be the death of Australian car manufacturing

[joolz]

2 days at work a casual was "no longer required" as he was unable to do overtime as he was tired. Tired because he wasn't rostered on so he decided to watch the world cup. He then received a call at 4.30am to start at 6am. He took the 5hr shift as you take what you can get when a casual. He completed his shift and was then asked to do overtime. A manager overheard his reason for not being able to work further. Now this co-worker for the past 11 months has only refused overtime twice and is a very good and hard worker. As we know casuals have very limited rights as that's how companies like it. But in this case he does have rights and the Union knows it. Sure he could take it to fair work and after a few months it may be heard. By that time he would hopefuly have another job and the company carries on with its despicable actions. Myself being a delegate have found the manager has taken adverse action against the casual for exercising his workplace right (OH&S right) to take reasonable care to protect his own health and safety. In this case the Union has not harmed the company profits in any way but rather protect the worker and give them a voice. A voice they wouldn't otherwise have. I believe there are far more unscrupulous and greedy companies out there than unions.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

inflation/cost of living etc doesn't automatically entitle anyone to more money or pay rises.

where does the money come from? employers don't have some endless supply that they can continually dip into every time someone wants to live a certain lifestyle. employers aren't immune to inflation. rising electricity, rates, etc etc.

having a job is better than not having a job.

Multi national company with branches across Tasmania, Victoria, NSW, QLD, Malaysia and Dubai/UAE can't afford CPI on already underpaid workers in one branch?

We noticed that the guys from NSW head office seemed to get treated much better than what we did in Victoria, when we had a few of them down to help us they were shocked and worded us up on how good they had it.

The interesting part about the way that particular company managed things was in QLD the first people who all got fired when it started going down hill was the entire management team, it wasn't the guys on the floor who got the ***.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by joolz

2 days at work a casual was "no longer required" as he was unable to do overtime as he was tired. Tired because he wasn't rostered on so he decided to watch the world cup. He then received a call at 4.30am to start at 6am. He took the 5hr shift as you take what you can get when a casual. He completed his shift and was then asked to do overtime. A manager overheard his reason for not being able to work further. Now this co-worker for the past 11 months has only refused overtime twice and is a very good and hard worker. As we know casuals have very limited rights as that's how companies like it. But in this case he does have rights and the Union knows it. Sure he could take it to fair work and after a few months it may be heard. By that time he would hopefuly have another job and the company carries on with its despicable actions. Myself being a delegate have found the manager has taken adverse action against the casual for exercising his workplace right (OH&S right) to take reasonable care to protect his own health and safety. In this case the Union has not harmed the company profits in any way but rather protect the worker and give them a voice. A voice they wouldn't otherwise have. I believe there are far more unscrupulous and greedy companies out there than unions.

i would have coffeeed up and powered on

no union

just me

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Multi national company with branches across Tasmania, Victoria, NSW, QLD, Malaysia and Dubai/UAE can't afford CPI on already underpaid workers in one branch?

We noticed that the guys from NSW head office seemed to get treated much better than what we did in Victoria, when we had a few of them down to help us they were shocked and worded us up on how good they had it.

The interesting part about the way that particular company managed things was in QLD the first people who all got fired when it started going down hill was the entire management team, it wasn't the guys on the floor who got the ***.

i wasn't referring specifically to your situation. i was just quoting you as a point of reference. it was more a general point rather than pointing the finger at any particular workplace.

i'm sure there are companies out there that can afford to give regular pay increases, but that is their prerogative.

there is a real sense of entitlement in australia which is wrong, and there is the ever present tall poppy syndrome where the 'have nots' have it in for the 'have's' simply because they are better off.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by joolz

2 days at work a casual was "no longer required" as he was unable to do overtime as he was tired. Tired because he wasn't rostered on so he decided to watch the world cup. He then received a call at 4.30am to start at 6am. He took the 5hr shift as you take what you can get when a casual. He completed his shift and was then asked to do overtime. A manager overheard his reason for not being able to work further. Now this co-worker for the past 11 months has only refused overtime twice and is a very good and hard worker. As we know casuals have very limited rights as that's how companies like it. But in this case he does have rights and the Union knows it. Sure he could take it to fair work and after a few months it may be heard. By that time he would hopefuly have another job and the company carries on with its despicable actions. Myself being a delegate have found the manager has taken adverse action against the casual for exercising his workplace right (OH&S right) to take reasonable care to protect his own health and safety. In this case the Union has not harmed the company profits in any way but rather protect the worker and give them a voice. A voice they wouldn't otherwise have. I believe there are far more unscrupulous and greedy companies out there than unions.

Where ever you have a boss you have the posability of them being unscrupulous because it's like having a win for them or they may have to resort to this line due to many reasons.
Unions we had in aus were never worth a toss for me they were just idiots an condemed total fools that you did not want anything to do with ever, you would just pick them up and toss them out on there head because the only thing they wanted was your money and to bully and pust there weight around like morons.
But yes i would support unions if they were fair dinkum honist hard working working with you for your intrest and all your industry benerfit long turm especialy, but a owner of a business or a boss will never really work in your intrest at all, never !! i have never seen it that for sure. they will walk all over you at the drop of a hat and could not care d under a rock.

Tradesmen in the building industry are the biggest fools i could think of they are now the dregs of all the industry and are just total fools nowadays, they have nothing no commonsence they are just dogs with no future, forced to take it or leave it. hell they don't even quote any more. they have let themselves out in the cold to cop it from any creeps actions basecly working for a wage and cop it sweet when they don't get payed because some fool has gone bankruped. what idiots !

With Holden and Ford it's the govenment that's the problem infact because if you do realise no car industry in Australia ever did or could of supported it's self with out the gov backing them up, and that's a fact. it's total nonsence they are pushing now. and when the aussie Dollar falls and the 3 world money value rise we aussies will be out in the cold with no industry.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Jason[98.EL]

So true

the company I work for has had for the last 4 yrs only had a casual work force ( production )

we are now all getting put on full time ( I just started full time on Monday ) but that is only due to it being cheaper for them to have us on full time if it was cheaper for us to be on casual we would have stayed there

And?
This ridiculous expectation that its your employers responsibility to provide you with security is a large part of what is STILL wrong with many industries in Australia. This all stems from from the stupid Bolshevistic union idea that "bosses" and employers are all just part of some faceless satanic brotherhood, who exist only to persecute the masses, but who in turn have bottomless pockets from which to pay whatever the unions can extort.
I work on projects. When the boom was running hot I could (and did) "name my own price." I got paid when I worked, not when I didn't. And we profited fairly from the boom. Now, boom has settled, no new projects = not much work. It would be beyond stupid to expect an "employer" to keep paying me in these circumstances.

NO employer wants to sack workers due to lack of business, they WANT sales. But if the work isn't there, forcing them to waste money paying people to do nothing will only hasten the demise.

The other reason many businesses prefer lots of casuals is because the work available may vary daily or seasonally. If you have a business that does 50% of its trade on weekends and outside normal business hours, it makes no sense having half your workers in permanent 9-5 M-F roles.

And here's the thing, if your supervisor is an unreasonable asshat, stand up to him, and inform HIS boss. If the asshat IS the owner, look for another place to work. Hopefully if asshat can't keep good staff he will either go out of business or change his ways.

[BHDOGS]

lmao you crack me up dazz just get another job move on you really have no ******* idea about the real world do u

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

lmao you crack me up dazz just get another job move on you really have no ******* idea about the real world do u

According to you.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

And?
This ridiculous expectation that its your employers responsibility to provide you with security is a large part of what is STILL wrong with many industries in Australia. This all stems from from the stupid Bolshevistic union idea that "bosses" and employers are all just part of some faceless satanic brotherhood, who exist only to persecute the masses, but who in turn have bottomless pockets from which to pay whatever the unions can extort.
I work on projects. When the boom was running hot I could (and did) "name my own price." I got paid when I worked, not when I didn't. And we profited fairly from the boom. Now, boom has settled, no new projects = not much work. It would be beyond stupid to expect an "employer" to keep paying me in these circumstances.

NO employer wants to sack workers due to lack of business, they WANT sales. But if the work isn't there, forcing them to waste money paying people to do nothing will only hasten the demise.

The other reason many businesses prefer lots of casuals is because the work available may vary daily or seasonally. If you have a business that does 50% of its trade on weekends and outside normal business hours, it makes no sense having half your workers in permanent 9-5 M-F roles.

And here's the thing, if your supervisor is an unreasonable asshat, stand up to him, and inform HIS boss. If the asshat IS the owner, look for another place to work. Hopefully if asshat can't keep good staff he will either go out of business or change his ways.

What you say is true.

Looking back at workers that had unions and people who did not i would say union backed workers got i it good. many non union workers just got shalfted.

If one leaves school looking for a good working life with having something at the end, the union boys win by far by what i have seen.

I have seen many great people work for them self and work much much harder than any union worker could ever imagine or do in a fit and most they are far more intelligent and could turn there hand to anything and excellent in what they do but at the end of there working life they can end up with less than even some usless good for nothing life long doleblugers i know of.

I would say if you leave school and don't end up with a job that gives contuious full days work etc forget that path because in the long run you will be shalfted. shoved from pilla to post and i am sad to say but it's true that modernday woman don't like a man that does not bring in the bacon and will drop ya in the you know what in no time flat. if they think you are a looser ! seen that happen to many a good bloke. and some stupid good for nothing dumb dopey drongo's could not work for themselves if they tryed and they did well for themself.

I think australia is moving to try to be an asian type of workforce model nowadays.

I have always said our aussie unions were backward commo inspired good for nothings and that they would s--- in there own nest by going to far from reality and now it's bit them in the rearend and they don't know what to do just like the ALP but all the fools do is just keep spinning total stupid rubbish hoping all the dimwits will come running back to them. but they don't have an answer or clue what to do. why ? because they are just lowlife criminal thiving moronic clowns.

And why is this ? someone who is a proud national identy as a aussie and happy to wave our flag and works for his country glory is ridiculed by many today.

One dude once said once, ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. he was shot dead !

I would think any nation has no hope in a future if a people only want. i think there is a lot of aussies like that around from what i have seen, they may talk the talk but are just hopless ingrates with no sense of duty.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by castellan

I have seen many great people work for them self and work much much harder than any union worker could ever imagine or do in a fit and most they are far more intelligent and could turn there hand to anything and excellent in what they do but at the end of there working life they can end up with less than even some usless good for nothing life long doleblugers i know of.

I have also seen many workers who belong to a union also work as hard as any one else & just as intelligent as any one else so get of your high horse.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

lmao you crack me up dazz just get another job move on you really have no ******* idea about the real world do u

You have a point. A lot of people aren't in a position to find better work. Mind you, how many of these people actually try and make themselves more employable, getting more skills, taking on more responsibility and showing they can be trusted with it, etc? So many simply want to clock on, do the minimum and clock off. They think its up to their employer to train them up, they're not at all proactive about *their own career*.

[Franco Cozzo]

This whole get more skills thing is BS, you can have all the certificates under the sun at the end of the day, I've been trying to get in as an administration assistant anywhere.

Don't think for a second that all these manufacturing workers from our manufacturing industry will just be able to waltz right into service type roles, or manning call centers, or working in an office as the run about person, because they won't even make it past the HR lady as blue collar doesn't belong with the white collars.

Admin assistant/receptionist is the lowest role in any office and I've been given the reasons of "not enough experience" or "looking for recent school leaver" so I'm either too young or too old.

The moment they see auto qualifications or experience on your resume, it goes in the bin. I know how to use a computer, I'm proficient in Microsoft Office suite, I know how to use a phone and talk to people.

I'm ex auto manufacturing industry (second tier manufacturer) and its hard now let alone when an extra 20,000 people start throwing in resumes.

Originally Posted by castellan

One dude once said once, ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. he was shot dead !

Yeah, by the biggest bunch of anti communist pro democracy/capitalist people on the planet, go figure.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

This whole get more skills thing is BS, you can have all the certificates under the sun at the end of the day, I've been trying to get in as an administration assistant anywhere.

Don't think for a second that all these manufacturing workers from our manufacturing industry will just be able to waltz right into service type roles, or manning call centers, or working in an office as the run about person, because they won't even make it past the HR lady as blue collar doesn't belong with the white collars.

Admin assistant/receptionist is the lowest role in any office and I've been given the reasons of "not enough experience" or "looking for recent school leaver" so I'm either too young or too old.

The moment they see auto qualifications or experience on your resume, it goes in the bin. I know how to use a computer, I'm proficient in Microsoft Office suite, I know how to use a phone and talk to people.

I'm ex auto manufacturing industry (second tier manufacturer) and its hard now let alone when an extra 20,000 people start throwing in resumes.



Yeah, by the biggest bunch of anti communist pro democracy/capitalist people on the planet, go figure.

Have you tried tailoring your CV to the job you're applying for?
Instead of just handing out the same template to all job applications, you need to customise it to suit the role. For your admin roles, change your CV to emphasise your computer based skills in your previous jobs. You don't have to lie but as long as you have the skills then you can "massage" your previous job responsibilities.

[BHDOGS]

As always The well to do say it's the workers fault **** the bosses there nothing without workers let em move over seas long as they move to the greedy dogs the worlds going down hill may aswell take those ****s with us

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

i would have coffeeed up and powered on

no union

just me

If some **** treated me like that with only 1.5hrs after dragging me out of bed at 4:30am or away from the world cup to do HIM a favour you have no obligation to. He'd wanna show me some god damn appreciation after saving his *** for the day and at least not have the nerve to at least hint of the opposite. I'd personally would've just watch the world cup, especially if that's his attitude towards his workers.

Infact if I don't get the appreciation for doing such a favour it would've got verbal. I'm not missing a every 4 yr world cup for $10 an hour... I'm doing it for brownie points.

I did all nighters and worked with a hospital grade flu where I almost fainted from dehydration, I needed to be in bed not literally being ushered out the door and timed on the road... The moment they starting putting all those pressures on me and in an accusing way, I'd tell them to **** off to their face basically and to get someone else. No appreciation whatsoever. She always just walked away as well whenever I drew the line with her. I was the only staff member there out of over 20 willing to commit that much.

Why the **** I risked my safety and car for the sake of non appreciative incompetent idiots beats me. It was fine until the favour you do them starts looking like nothing more than an expectation.. Kills the whole incentive for me to do it.

They'd probably tell me the favour is me keeping my job lol or some cliche autocratic neanderthal bs (as in they did). Is a threat a favour is it? I would've actually thought the favour was me keeping their customers and saving their incompetent asses as always. And it's definitely not on me to fix their mess.

I agree though I was going in on all nighters and with flu's and didn't even think about it. I felt good about it. Felt like I was a good employee and that esteem is what kept me doing it. But despite bending over backwards for them I received criticism from them of working/driving to slow on the flu/no sleep.. it wasn't a favour to them it was merely an expectation absolutely no point doing it unless you wanted to keep your job. The moment I felt like a good employee to an abused one was when it all changed. You don't expect people to work with flu's/all nighters you show some god damn appreciation ifyou have a worker willing to go that far for you. Or no one will ever work that hard for you.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

If some **** treated me like that with only 1.5hrs after dragging me out of bed at 4:30am or away from the world cup to do HIM a favour you have no obligation to. He'd wanna show me some god damn appreciation after saving his *** for the day and at least not have the nerve to at least hint of the opposite. I'd personally would've just watch the world cup, especially if that's his attitude towards his workers.

Infact if I don't get the appreciation for doing such a favour it would've got verbal. I'm not missing a every 4 yr world cup for $10 an hour... I'm doing it for brownie points.

I did all nighters and worked with a hospital grade flu where I almost fainted from dehydration, I needed to be in bed not literally being ushered out the door and timed on the road... The moment they starting putting all those pressures on me and in an accusing way, I'd tell them to **** off to their face basically and to get someone else. No appreciation whatsoever. She always just walked away as well whenever I drew the line with her. I was the only staff member there out of over 20 willing to commit that much.

Why the **** I risked my safety and car for the sake of non appreciative incompetent idiots beats me. It was fine until the favour you do them starts looking like nothing more than an expectation.. Kills the whole incentive for me to do it.

They'd probably tell me the favour is me keeping my job lol or some cliche autocratic neanderthal bs (as in they did). Is a threat a favour is it? I would've actually thought the favour was me keeping their customers and saving their incompetent asses as always. And it's definitely not on me to fix their mess.

I agree though I was going in on all nighters and with flu's and didn't even think about it. I felt good about it. Felt like I was a good employee and that esteem is what kept me doing it. But despite bending over backwards for them I received criticism from them of working/driving to slow on the flu/no sleep.. it wasn't a favour to them it was merely an expectation absolutely no point doing it unless you wanted to keep your job. The moment I felt like a good employee to an abused one was when it all changed. You don't expect people to work with flu's/all nighters you show some god damn appreciation ifyou have a worker willing to go that far for you. Or no one will ever work that hard for you.

so you went in to work and made every one else sick

props to you

btw

you had a very bad head cold at the most, not the flu

you wouldnt be getting out of bed with a proper flu

[ronnas07]

Man flu is a proper flu

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by ronnas07

Man flu is a proper flu

man flu was invented by candy assed hipster soft cocks

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by b0son

You have a point. A lot of people aren't in a position to find better work.

Oh FFS.
If there isn't "better work" for them, what does that tell you?
I'm sure that most people would be happy with more money, less hours, better conditions, nicer bosses, fairy floss, and flying pigs, if it were offered to them.

In my last job, I was working for two of the biggest a-holes I have ever encountered. My immediate superior was just one of those mal-adjusted mongrels you can imagine torturing puppies as a child. If there's any Kharma in the world he'll be stabbed before too long.
The big boss, was just a butt-covering asshat with no personality. He would refuse to make decisions, so that he could blame subordinate when things went pear-shaped.
So, at $1,500 a day (tax-paid) do ya reckon I was complaining and looking to leave?

A few years back I was working for the best boss I've ever had. We're still mates and he tried hard to keep me, but the company we worked for was tighter than a fish's bum and wouldn't even pay market rates.

Even if you're working for minimum wage in some ****** dead-end job and your boss is a complete twat. If YOU aren't worth a better job, then suck it up, or do something to better yourself. DON'T expect unions or anyone else to get you more than you deserve.
I'm NOT suggesting that workers should have no protection. We have laws and they must be upheld, and your employer must abide by his side of your agreement (be that a contract, EBA, award, etc.)

But I am truly sick of this 19th century union bullshit that treats employers as the enemy and expects them to be bottomless pits of money.
Seriously, the mind-boggling stupidity of some people is incredible. If there is no work to be done (or the work is only available after hours) why on earth should an employer pay you to do nothing? How would you feel if your local self-employed lawnmower turned up and demanded you pay him, even though you live in an apartment with no lawn?
Or you ring an aircon repairer on the weekend, but he refuses to come out because he only works M-F, THEN he sends you his bill for "being available" when you didn't need him?

And if you can't find another job? Well that, as they say, is tough cheddar. It SUCKS, but again, it's not an employer's obligation to somehow find money to pay all the unemployed.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by trublu

I have also seen many workers who belong to a union also work as hard as any one else & just as intelligent as any one else so get of your high horse.

I agree that could be so, but would a person know more about things that never did work for himself in the real world.
I have never come across one that did that's for sure and it does not matter how smart they are because if they have never done it how would they really know anything at all about it all.
I say it's impossable that they could work just as hard, as there is much more to it all, when you are the one who calles all the shots and carrys the weight of everything and i know who is on the easy road with bugger all to worry about.
Yes i am the one who rides on the horse because no one has that position to ride it but me, because i am the one who pays them there wage.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

This whole get more skills thing is BS, you can have all the certificates under the sun at the end of the day, I've been trying to get in as an administration assistant anywhere.

Don't think for a second that all these manufacturing workers from our manufacturing industry will just be able to waltz right into service type roles, or manning call centers, or working in an office as the run about person, because they won't even make it past the HR lady as blue collar doesn't belong with the white collars.

Admin assistant/receptionist is the lowest role in any office and I've been given the reasons of "not enough experience" or "looking for recent school leaver" so I'm either too young or too old.

The moment they see auto qualifications or experience on your resume, it goes in the bin. I know how to use a computer, I'm proficient in Microsoft Office suite, I know how to use a phone and talk to people.

I'm ex auto manufacturing industry (second tier manufacturer) and its hard now let alone when an extra 20,000 people start throwing in resumes.



Yeah, by the biggest bunch of anti communist pro democracy/capitalist people on the planet, go figure.

But i thought JFK was a more of an left than a right wing party person.
Pro Democracy i think that's good and a healthy thing.
Capitalist is a good thing to i will say, but not exrteam capitilism that's just stupid.
I have naver seen a good Communist, they are all evil sick low life destructive criminal morons and mass murders.

[BHDOGS]

what u mean is uv never seen a real communist a dictator isn't a communist just because he calls himself one just like a democracy isn't one just because it has capitalism in it.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

As always The well to do say it's the workers fault **** the bosses there nothing without workers let em move over seas long as they move to the greedy dogs the worlds going down hill may aswell take those ****s with us

Typical load of bull.
The worker is nothing without the boss.
I have come across this nonsense before of fools thinking of draging down others with that type of mentality, it could be a justified point of view but mainly it's not justerfied at all but only just a small minded point of view that goes no where at all but just backwardness.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

As always The well to do say it's the workers fault **** the bosses there nothing without workers let em move over seas long as they move to the greedy dogs the worlds going down hill may aswell take those ****s with us

This is getting rather silly.

Agree with castellan's post above ........ if you or anyone doesn't like the boss, become your own and work for yourself ..... but PLEASE ... do not offer work to anyone else and help support others as that would be a **** act to do wouldn't it?

Would love our shop to become a Union site ..... then I could decrease everyones pay to the award as specified by the union! WOOHOO!!!!!

[BHDOGS]

It is interesting I here that a lot but the fact is the worker is still a person without a boss that needs feeding and maintaining and if the boss doesn't employer the worker he will just take what he needs anyway ur precious capitalism has a strong focus on maintaing the status of the rich backed but an increasingly expensive legal system that brings no justice except to those with money the revolution is coming capitalism always leads to dictatorship only these days it's money dictatorship not political the sooner the regular folk realism there being screwed the the quicker we can get rid of this two party monopoly joke that runs this country. And get back to basics. It's already happening the gradual unrest of the teenage massages is rising there disslusionment with a system that demands they conform to a rigid monetary system or die is disheartening and one of the biggest cons ever pulled on humans.

[Auslandau]

[castellan]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

what u mean is uv never seen a real communist a dictator isn't a communist just because he calls himself one just like a democracy isn't one just because it has capitalism in it.

I would say that a healty democracy is the only way forward and a healthy democracy all can have there say, communist do not let anyone have a say as they do what ever they want to do and kill any who oppose them, it's all my way or the highway with them lot.
I can see that Communism is for only idiots and fools and i say that in a nice way because i do believe it's true, because if one or a nation is brain dead you need to become a slave to somthing like that.
But you know there was a dude called Moses who called his people out of slavery you know because they did not have to be slaves as they had a higher calling than just that. and anyone who want's communism wants to become just a slave.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

It is interesting I here that a lot but the fact is the worker is still a person without a boss that needs feeding and maintaining and if the boss doesn't employer the worker he will just take what he needs anyway ur precious capitalism has a strong focus on maintaing the status of the rich backed but an increasingly expensive legal system that brings no justice except to those with money the revolution is coming capitalism always leads to dictatorship only these days it's money dictatorship not political the sooner the regular folk realism there being screwed the the quicker we can get rid of this two party monopoly joke that runs this country. And get back to basics. It's already happening the gradual unrest of the teenage massages is rising there disslusionment with a system that demands they conform to a rigid monetary system or die is disheartening and one of the biggest cons ever pulled on humans.

To be truthfull there is always someone at the top and others leading down from there even in communism there are the ones who have it all.

I agree that there are criminal intent in a lot of things but it's up to good people to weed this type of rot out. communism is not the answer that's for sure.
Yes i do think there are things wrong with the way they have played games with the monetary system very wrong and strongly a criminal intent was let loose but communism won't help.
I see it this way the far right and the far left are radicals and just criminal intented twerps that do noting of any real good for anyone but themselves, i stay away from such people.
I admire people who are honist and have a healty work ethic and are guided by true fullness of loveing intentions not evil or madness.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

the gradual unrest of the teenage massages is rising there .

Reminds of my teenage years....

[ivorya]

Unionism everywhere seems to get S_it thrown at them, no mater which country, however
I think we all should be grateful for the way FORD HQ and the Unions sat down and nutted out a deal to save the Parent Company.
Without this, we'd have no brand to support.
We just need more of this communication between Bosses and Unions to ensure we can all move forward. Arrogance can be pointed out on both sides, if you look at it, the unions see bosses not willing to give up Huge bonuses/wages, and bosses not wanting to pay higher wages due to sales etc.
Open Communication will always be a win-win as we've seen by resurgence of the Mighty Blue Oval.