FIRST PICS!!! VE & WM UNCOVERED!!!

[buddyforu]

Originally Posted by blutura

it doesn't prove that the VT design was aesthetically superior at all. It proves that it was more popular, thats all. You cannot say that one car has superior looks to another, it depends on the viewer.

If the VT didn't look any better than the AU, why was it more popular then??

If you have two cars in the same catagory where one looks awkward (I have NEVER once heard the AU called 'a nice looking car' even by other die hard Ford fans), and the other an obviously more cohesive design, which do you think will be more popular?

I know a lot of people out there that would choose a late EL over an series 1 AU any day. Why? Because it looks better.

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Darran

Has anyone heard what power range the cars will have? 195? 200KW in the 6's?

I have heard that the 6 will have 200kw (not sure if all models though) and twin pipes. My mate works at Elizabeth

[blackahcdx]

Originally Posted by Polyal

How on Gods name can you think that the VT is superior to the AU? Got anythnig objective there?

Reminder: Which car won Wheels COTY?

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by blackahcdx

Reminder: Which car won Wheels COTY?

HAHA..well going on that theory the Camira is an engineering marvel aswell
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[seano14]

Originally Posted by buddyforu

If the VT didn't look any better than the AU, why was it more popular then??

If you have two cars in the same catagory where one looks awkward (I have NEVER once heard the AU called 'a nice looking car' even by other die hard Ford fans), and the other an obviously more cohesive design, which do you think will be more popular?

I know a lot of people out there that would choose a late EL over an series 1 AU any day. Why? Because it looks better.

alright, perhaps we should say "to the majority, the VT was considered better looking than the AU".

with risk of taking this too far off topic, you can tie this back to the point by saying it is true alot of people put heavy weighting on the appearance of the car. the AU was technically an excellent car, but all of that was hiding under it's body panels, and im sure most people had a tough time getting past that.

the majority of the population (car enthusiasts on forums represent the minority) want a car that goes good and looks great, and im sure turning up to impress your mates in an AU surely wouldn't work.

the VE looks nice.., but slightly conservative yes. this also has a plus side though, it's still easily identifyable as a commodore.

[blackahcdx]

The AU was "technically excellent" however it still had leaf springs!!!

yeah, that makes sense for sure :p

The AU was no where near as good as it should have been

[xfalconz]

I think the new Commodore is a smart looking car, im getting sick of seeing the VT shape Commodore with its rounded mid 90,s style sheetmetal and angular light/bumper assemblies to try and fit with modern styling in the VZ,VY.
And as for no good looking AU, the XR8 looked tougher than the VT SS.
The new Commodore even makes the BF look dated tho.

[XplosiveR6]

Originally Posted by blackahcdx

The AU was "technically excellent" however it still had leaf springs!!!

yeah, that makes sense for sure :p

The AU was no where near as good as it should have been

ah what an ignorent post!
leaf springs were and are still in the Utes, where they should be. find me a 1 tonne ute that doesnt have leaf springs! And the trucks do very well with leafs springs, go jactually drive a Persuit ute or tornado with Leaf springs! Then you will see how much of a joke your post is

[blutura]

Originally Posted by blackahcdx

The AU was "technically excellent" however it still had leaf springs!!!

Only on the back of ute and wagon, both of which were designed to carry loads. All sedans had either a coil sprung live rear axle or IRS, depending on the model.

[Dazza XLT]

Originally Posted by EF_Dave

ah what an ignorent post!
leaf springs were and are still in the Utes, where they should be. find me a 1 tonne ute that doesnt have leaf springs! And the trucks do very well with leafs springs, go jactually drive a Persuit ute or tornado with Leaf springs! Then you will see how much of a joke your post is

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All the car magazines say Holden utes may ride and handle better, but cannot carry a decent load due to the IRS, unlike the Ford utes... with Leaf Sprung Rear. :
I have not had a drama with the handling side of things with my ute. Handles like its on rails anyway, compared to my old XH tradesman!!!! :

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by EF_Dave

ah what an ignorent post!
leaf springs were and are still in the Utes, where they should be. find me a 1 tonne ute that doesnt have leaf springs! And the trucks do very well with leafs springs, go jactually drive a Persuit ute or tornado with Leaf springs! Then you will see how much of a joke your post is

And to further prove that leaf springs can do the job, look no further than the V8 Brute Utes!

Last episode I watched the XR8's were whooping ***!
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[DJM83]

Originally Posted by blackahcdx

The AU was "technically excellent" however it still had leaf springs!!!

yeah, that makes sense for sure :p

The AU was no where near as good as it should have been

Yeah and the VT generation IRS was brilliant was it, who cares if the VT won car of the year thats one award.The AU was and stillis a great car (second coming) if u will. xfalconz i also agree the AU XR's looked the goods over the VT/VX S,SS's
The only reason the VT was more successfull then the AU is because in most peoples eyes they looked better remember beauty is only skin deep the AU was mechanically advanced then the VT but many o people didnt see that.
I agree though that many folks arguements will not match because most people have different tastes' which is fine as has been said it depends on who is looking at the car in question wheather it be VE BA VZ AU etc as to weather it is any good

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by McobraR

Well it was earlier this year that the Hurricane V8 was brought back. It might be that which you're talking about because theres not alot known about it. Some say it is to consist of pushrods, others say its an evolution of the triton engines with a SOHC 3v layout. Who knows.

It might be ready just in time for a test in the new Falcon?. Might be doing the rounds now here in early form who knows?.

Originally Posted by xfalconz

I think the new Commodore is a smart looking car, im getting sick of seeing the VT shape Commodore with its rounded mid 90,s style sheetmetal and angular light/bumper assemblies to try and fit with modern styling in the VZ,VY.
And as for no good looking AU, the XR8 looked tougher than the VT SS.
The new Commodore even makes the BF look dated tho.

If it didnt they would be in deep SSssssssT

Originally Posted by Darran

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All the car magazines say Holden utes may ride and handle better, but cannot carry a decent load due to the IRS, unlike the Ford utes... with Leaf Sprung Rear. :
I have not had a drama with the handling side of things with my ute. Handles like its on rails anyway, compared to my old XH tradesman!!!! :

Thats why the crewman is so popular for work men, Some just like the show and car handling with the SS Ute lower it look cool and it's cheaper, Some that really want it for work will buy the crewman or bottom out lol

Originally Posted by 00VenomXR

Yeah and the VT generation IRS was brilliant was it, who cares if the VT won car of the year thats one award.The AU was and stillis a great car (second coming) if u will. xfalconz i also agree the AU XR's looked the goods over the VT/VX S,SS's
The only reason the VT was more successfull then the AU is because in most peoples eyes they looked better remember beauty is only skin deep the AU was mechanically advanced then the VT but many o people didnt see that.
I agree though that many folks arguements will not match because most people have different tastes' which is fine as has been said it depends on who is looking at the car in question wheather it be VE BA VZ AU etc as to weather it is any good

I thought everyone loved awards :

[ltd]

The VE will sell well. Product cycles dictate that it will sell well. Ford will have to do a BF2 to stay in the race as Orion is still 21 months away. Fleets will buy the BF/BF2 as ford do everything they can to sell their cars and heavily discount vehicles. Profitability per unit will fall on the falcon until the new release Orion however Ford won't need to make as many sales as when their product was younger as they have passed the break even point of the 500 million investment for the BA/BF. Holden have already gone through this phase and as such, they can offer massive discounts now but they will have lesser capacity to discount the new model. This is when ford will discount heavily. When Orion comes out, Holden will do what ford are going to do and on it goes.

[McobraR]

Originally Posted by SlickHolden

It might be ready just in time for a test in the new Falcon?. Might be doing the rounds now here in early form who knows?.

Wish so, but i doubt it. Ford US just ordered 6.2 V8 blocks to be made ONLY for research. The engine hasn't been finalised. The F-150 is supposedly goin to be modified to accomodate the new engine, so im assuming its gonna be pretty big. Since there is little known about the hurricane, i'd say that Ford Oz is better off trying to utilise what they have now (5.4's) rather than fitting a new engine that has not been proven yet.

[XW 393]

Just a few more happy snaps of what I think was an SS, had twin zorsts, from today on my way to Bacchus Marsh on the Western Hwy, it does look a lot better in the flesh than the pics, should be a good seller I think.
Excuse average quality ( phone ) and the odd finger ! !
Other than that, enjoy !

[LUXO_8]

gotta love the tape to try and change the C pillar shape.....
not hard to see it has what looks a lot like the VT-VZ C pillar

[Falcon Freak]

VE - more weight and more power than VZ. Will be very interested to see the fuel consumption performance for the new model. Some people on the other side are already beginning to criticise the VE because of the expected increase in fuel consumption - here

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[YOOT]

Looks like it has a high waist line, either that or the two passengers are jockies.

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by SlickHolden

There are some very disgruntled AU owners here that love there cars because they are great cars but still can't shake the years of jokes they copped, And are still looking for another to come so they can finally get some pay back.

The only people who make that assumption are the people who don't own an AU, or they own a holden. The AU finsihed production 4 years ago, and people like myself who arn't into motor racing, really don't care whether the car was a failure on the track, or what the Holden Owning Knuckle dragging rednecks have to say about the AU Falcon. We have moved on. We are still going to enjoy our ugly failed cars. We love the AU. And when someone says my car is ugly, it doesn't upset me because my car, is just a car. It has no feeling's.

[YOOT]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

The only people who make that assumption are the people who don't own an AU, or they own a holden. The AU finsihed production 4 years ago, and people like myself who arn't into motor racing, really don't care whether the car was a failure on the track, or what the Holden Owning Knuckle dragging rednecks have to say about the AU Falcon. We have moved on. We are still going to enjoy our ugly failed cars. We love the AU. And when someone says my car is ugly, it doesn't upset me because my car, is just a car. It has no feeling's.

No but the owners usually do, if you didn't, you wouldn't have replied.

My car is handsome BTW :

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by YOOT

No but the owners usually do, if you didn't, you wouldn't have replied.

My car is handsome BTW :

Maybe your right. I'm just sick of the same old arguements. We can appreciate that it let the ford fans down, but who the hell cares. The only way things will be put right in the racing department is for ford to break the bathurst drought. Something BA is yet to do.

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

The only people who make that assumption are the people who don't own an AU, or they own a holden. The AU finsihed production 4 years ago, and people like myself who arn't into motor racing, really don't care whether the car was a failure on the track, or what the Holden Owning Knuckle dragging rednecks have to say about the AU Falcon. We have moved on. We are still going to enjoy our ugly failed cars. We love the AU. And when someone says my car is ugly, it doesn't upset me because my car, is just a car. It has no feeling's.

I wish my BF had the build quality of my AU. If my Au is ugly then it is the best built Ugly Ford in the world.

I am booked in for a test drive of both VE SS and R8 only because I am looking at getting something with better quality then what Ford can dish out.

I still think those shots are disappointing and show a fear of being really progressive but if the quality is there and the drive improvement is apparent, (which it will be) then getting to market first will be something Ford probably won't recover from unless they have an inspirational base design.

As subjective as those ordinary shots make the VE look, it isn't bad enough to turn people away.

[banarcus]

Good luck buddy with the Holden thing but just remember, the VN and the VT were pretty badly built and if the VE doesn't have its fair share of problems, I'll eat my hat.

[ClevlndStemer]

Originally Posted by banarcus

Good luck buddy with the Holden thing but just remember, the VN and the VT were pretty badly built and if the VE doesn't have its fair share of problems, I'll eat my hat.

The EA was horrid and the BA has some horrid quality issues itself so you're gonna get a heap either way.

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by banarcus

Good luck buddy with the Holden thing but just remember, the VN and the VT were pretty badly built and if the VE doesn't have its fair share of problems, I'll eat my hat.

Not sure I need luck just good eyesight and I am not saying I will buy it but I am fed up to the back teeth with stupid quality issues coming out of Ford.

The first of any new model is a bit of a gamble but it seems lately that a break in tradition has occurred. As the models get older the attention to detail leaving the factory is dropping off. Probably as the numbers start to fall the companies are taking short cuts and liberties with quality or perhaps the ZF deal meant another trade off.

I have an association with a couple of local body shops. Perhaps Ford are sending the rubbish to Tasmanian because they know no other state will put up with it but there are production issues with BF that weren't apparent with BA. Perhaps the dealerships aren't picking the issues at pre delivery, either way it’s a sorry state to be in.

I suspect I am a victim of the BF backlog and owners bitching about late delivery. 99% of the time that means a drop off in quality and instead of the car being right first time it is left to the network to sort out disgruntled owners.

One day these local companies are going to wake up and realise that part of the drop off in local content is down to the quality issues. Issues that imports don't suffer from in such a visible "inyourface" way. I really think people will be looking for this step up in quality from the new generation of cars. If VE doesn't deliver then it could be in serious trouble given the development and economical circumstances surrounding it.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Whats wrong with your BF?

From most people i speak to the say their BFs are a gazillion times better finished off then their BA's?

[ClevlndStemer]

Originally Posted by HSE2

SNIP

Shhhh don't make so much sense, you might be told to stop being bitter about the issues you have had with your car. :monkes:
I do agree with everything you have said.

[xd5.8l]

Craig lowndes green eyed monster is still the best looking race car ever to grace the track in group A racing.

[FGX-351]

yo buddyforyou, i couldnt help but read ur lil statements about the vt being some sort of modern marvel, maybe at the time they were such a red hot item but compared to an au 2 or 3 heck ive seen better bags of cow poop bein sold by the road, and dont even get me started on that bland interior especially the door trims and another favourite of mine is the bumpy suspension and thats just me being picky to details but since its what your doing ild figure ild play by your rules but honestly nowadays aslong as a car is reliable, roomy, and has a smooth engine...ect people are gonna be happy and i am just not a fan of the vt lol