Copyright Issues - old Bathurst races.

[vbvbvb088]

I have many old complete races - prior and including 1990. What are the copyright issues with selling them?

[jaydee]

I think if you took the pics or film, it's yours, but if you taped it off TV then Ch7 owns it.
Somehow I dont think they would get their lawyers onto you if you sold one, but if you pirated heaps of copies to sell that might be different.

[Bushbasher]

Didn't Channel 7 destroy all the old coverage or tape over it or something so all they have now is "edited highlights". Couldn't the argument be made that if they'd wanted it they wouldn't have destroyed it so if you have all the footage you should be able to distribute it? Maybe you could call Ch7 and see what they have to say before you start spreading the joy. If you do manage to put all the footage onto disc I'll hold up my hand for a copy.

Cheers
Bushbasher

[TC200six]

I've seen your footage on YouTube. I always hear that making monetary transactions on copies of home recorded TV is illegal. If you want to share your footage, do so without using money. I do know some people like to trade tapes of certain TV programs they're interested in.

[Pub247]

If your making copies and selling them that's illegal. I would say giving them to people would be somewhat illegal but ok. I have every race since 76 or so I don't think think putting them on disks would be fun it's about 100 gig worth in avi format let alone DVD or some such

[fte50]

If you put em on dvd count me in - im all for piracy

[Pub247]

easier to whack them on external hdd's and sell them... Buy my $150 1TB HDD and get free bathurst Races

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

Didn't Channel 7 destroy all the old coverage or tape over it or something so all they have now is "edited highlights". Couldn't the argument be made that if they'd wanted it they wouldn't have destroyed it so if you have all the footage you should be able to distribute it? Maybe you could call Ch7 and see what they have to say before you start spreading the joy. If you do manage to put all the footage onto disc I'll hold up my hand for a copy.

Cheers
Bushbasher

Basically, yes. But some of the tapes were in fact found recently.

I know the people involved in this.

My advice, don't sell it. It's illegal and is pretty sh** to be honest, considering there are people paying for the rights to use the footage at the moment.

[mrghia]

id love to get my hands on some of the old REAL bathurst races id rather see how they ran back then compaired to how they run now. Although next yr will be different

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by TC200six

I've seen your footage on YouTube. I always hear that making monetary transactions on copies of home recorded TV is illegal. If you want to share your footage, do so without using money. I do know some people like to trade tapes of certain TV programs they're interested in.

Not necessarily true. The copyright holder has the exclusive right to broadcast, distribute, reproduce etc, among other rights that are within the copyright holder's domain. There exists a 'time shifting' exception under the Copyright Act 1968 in which you can record TV shows and watch them later - which is technically a reproduction, but is allowable if the recording is used only for private and domestic purposes. Making copies and selling them, or giving them away, or uploading them onto the internet is not considered to be a 'private and domestic purpose', and as such, constitutes a breach of copyright.

Whether you'll be caught and sued for breach of copyright, however, is an entirely different matter ...

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

Didn't Channel 7 destroy all the old coverage or tape over it or something so all they have now is "edited highlights". Couldn't the argument be made that if they'd wanted it they wouldn't have destroyed it so if you have all the footage you should be able to distribute it?

Doesn't work that way legally, I'm afraid. Whether the copyright holder still possesses copies of the copyright work is immaterial to determining whether copyright still subsists in that work.

[graham7773]

Aahh yes, Peter at full noise down conrod left hand on the wheel, right elbow on the door. I will never forget that particular footage. Just another day at the office...I don't think he really cares about copyright now

[fte50]

Originally Posted by trippytaka

Basically, yes. But some of the tapes were in fact found recently.

I know the people involved in this.

My advice, don't sell it. It's illegal and is pretty sh** to be honest, considering there are people paying for the rights to use the footage at the moment.

Dont get me wrong as i understand what your saying, but when you put it in context the only sh** thing are the fat cats trying to take ownership of a public event and selling for a profit !

[Bushbasher]

Originally Posted by Pub247

Buy my $150 1TB HDD and get free bathurst Races

Works for me, where do I send the money

[pottery beige]

its only naughty if you get caught....

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by mrghia

id love to get my hands on some of the old REAL bathurst races id rather see how they ran back then compaired to how they run now. Although next yr will be different

i used to know a guy who had every year's race since about 1972 that he'd originally recorded off air. i bought some on dVd.

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by fte50

Dont get me wrong as i understand what your saying, but when you put it in context the only sh** thing are the fat cats trying to take ownership of a public event and selling for a profit !

You have to be kidding, right?

Think about this. If the "fat cats" (Channel 7) didn't buy the rights to broadcast it exclusively, they would never be able to sell ads into it, or make any money off it in the future.

Now, take that money away, why would they put up hundreds of staff and millions of dollars worth of equipment to record it in the first place? In-car footage? Gone! Commentators with text over graphics to explain tech? Gone. Pits footage? Gone. All you would have is a bunch of didgy handicam and iPhone recordings.

Now, taking into account that the "fat cats" aren't going to pay the MILLIONS of dollars for the exclusive rights to broadcast, do you really think that any race teams will get sponsorship? Hell no.

Out goes all the professional race teams - it costs a minimum of 10mil to run a race team per year!

So... TV is gone, Teams are gone... what are we left with? A two-bit race that no one can sit down and watch for a weekend because there just isn't the money in it.

Yeah, damn "fat Cats"

[fte50]

Mate perhaps im kidding - me and 75% of the World population.
To try hold ownership of a public event that was staged 40yrs ago and call it yours.....yeah right.
One would assume the return on investment has been repaid 100 fold by now.
Funny how you only have 6yrs to make a legal claim but you can still pursue copyright after 40. This would be acceptable on a patent, manufactured item, invention etc, but without the public event the fat cats (your mates) wouldnt have a product to begin with as well.
Yes, in the short term to allow the investor a chance to regain their profit is fair, and yes without them there would be far less but trying to hold onto and seize ownership of a nations heritage to profit for infinity - give me a break.
Do you pay fees to all the manufacturers donned on your shirts, aswell as all previous screen printed shirt manufacturers before you!

Have you NEVER downloaded any item from a torrent site - eg. movie etc, copied a movie or burnt a music cd ?.
You can go on & on to challenge my notion of right or wrong i dont really care, judge me all you like, but i think im saying it how it is.

[Mickxr8]

Don`t really have a problem with downloading stuff but,,
Advertising all the videos for $ on a public forum could end badly if someone dobs you in ?.
If one of ch 7`s slimey lawyers smells $ then lookout
Much more subtle ways of sharing unless your just after a quick buck ? .
Play Y-tube for long enough, most of it`s already there

[fte50]

Hey, im talking about sharing and just recouping the cost of your media (discs, post etc) and time if that way inclined.

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by fte50

Mate perhaps im kidding - me and 75% of the World population.
To try hold ownership of a public event that was staged 40yrs ago and call it yours.....yeah right.
One would assume the return on investment has been repaid 100 fold by now.
Funny how you only have 6yrs to make a legal claim but you can still pursue copyright after 40. This would be acceptable on a patent, manufactured item, invention etc, but without the public event the fat cats (your mates) wouldnt have a product to begin with as well.
Yes, in the short term to allow the investor a chance to regain their profit is fair, and yes without them there would be far less but trying to hold onto and seize ownership of a nations heritage to profit for infinity - give me a break.
Do you pay fees to all the manufacturers donned on your shirts, aswell as all previous screen printed shirt manufacturers before you!

Have you NEVER downloaded any item from a torrent site - eg. movie etc, copied a movie or burnt a music cd ?.
You can go on & on to challenge my notion of right or wrong i dont really care, judge me all you like, but i think im saying it how it is.

A fair understanding of copyright law... basically, my tees are produced by using images I have taken, or I have paid for the rights to use. I then treat these images through a number of different artistic processes.

The above creates ORIGINAL DESIGNS. This is not a breach of copyright. In fact, we own the IP to the designs on each and every tee we have produced.

Please don't drag my designs into the muddy waters of copyright infringement. I have studied a lot of copyright law - I had to in my occupation - plus I have had expert advice from a number of consulting lawyers on what I can and can't do. Making sure i DIDN'T infringe on copyright was one of the main concerns when I set up.

The basic fact is that my tees are 100% original designs. Because of this, I own IP. I have not stolen anything. I ave not reproduced ANYONE'S work, or art.

I am astounded that you think that a design, a publication, a broadcast etc is NOT a product. It is tangible. You can experience is. So why isn't it allowed the same copyright protection as a hammer design or a piece of technology.

On your final point, it comes back to the points others have made - it's one thing to make a copy for yourself, another to SELL that copy for profit.

[OLDFORDNUT]

when can i get a copy bud,

[jpd80]

If you're the least bit concerned, I suggest you guys PM each other away from the public domain...

[fte50]

Originally Posted by trippytaka

I am astounded that you think that a design, a publication, a broadcast etc is NOT a product. It is tangible. You can experience is. So why isn't it allowed the same copyright protection as a hammer design or a piece of technology.

On your final point, it comes back to the points others have made - it's one thing to make a copy for yourself, another to SELL that copy for profit.

Obviously you would know in length about copyright etc and i admit to knowing very little on the matter, im just saying what i feel on the subject.

Read between the lines, im refering to a public event and some 20+yrs later - NOT designs, publications etc as you put it.
At NO point have i stated or implied nor do i condone the use of anothers property for Profit. Despite what you may think, i do have ethics.

On a side note - love your Ts.

[MercurySilver]

sooooo
are these Hard drives still avl
looking for stuff from about 68 onwards lol

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

sooooo
are these Hard drives still avl
looking for stuff from about 68 onwards lol

Ditto

[MITCHAY]

If they are TV broadcasts I'd say you would find yourself in quite a bit of trouble selling it.

You can use it if you get permission from the holder (house always gets a cut) however this may not be so easy to find.

I don't think is a government registry as such like there is for IP, trademarks for example.

[wulos]

Originally Posted by fte50

Read between the lines, im refering to a public event and some 20+yrs later - NOT designs, publications etc as you put it.
At NO point have i stated or implied nor do i condone the use of anothers property for Profit. Despite what you may think, i do have ethics.

On a side note - love your Ts.

For what it's worth, Bathurst is NOT a public event. The premises are cordoned off whilst the event is conducted, with the "owners" charging an entry fee to attend.(even without the entry fee the access is controlled for the period of the event. Under this it is a private event, conducted on private property with the owners controlling the access holding the rights. Or the ability to redistribute the rights)
There are also quite strict laws regarding what you can, & can't 'record' even in supposedly public places.
Piracy is theft plain & simple. Doesn't matter if it occurs as soon as the product is created, or afterwards. Free reproduction is also frowned upon(take a look at what happens with the Olympics, & other radio / TV channels rebroadcasting)
No different to someone walking up to your car on the street & stealing it 20-30 years down the track.

[GasoLane]

Of course if you wanted to be completely legal you could contact Channel 7/9/10 and ask what their royalty fees are

[blackf6]

I bought the complete coverage of the 1981 event including Qualifying off ebay,even with all the advertisements removed, the seller was also selling heaps of other years.

[TC200six]

I would be careful before mentioning about purchasing pirated TV footage on a public site. You never know who could see it