Tonight either on ACA or TT - young driver deaths

[Keepleft]

Caught a glimpse of an ad for one of the two programs, I don't know which, that tonights episode will have parents of deceased teens killed on the roads, calling for action.

Not getting into a slanging match about the shows.

[FPV8U]

Not sure which one it's on.

hope it's not like all the others...

[TZENU]

Im guessing its going to be the same 'ol story about grieving parents who want to wave a magic wand and stop all the carnage.....my 2 cents anyway......But i'll still watch it!

[Steffo]

Same old same old, except now the morons are scratching their heads trying to explain why P-Plate deaths have doubled in NSW since the introduction of their idiotc restrictions.

[Bill_R]

there is a main meeting about this tomorrow in NSW. One member of the panel is a father who recently lost his young son in an accident. Suggestions so far include restricting P-plate drivers to one passenger unless the passenger is over 25 and licensed and limiting new P-Plate drivers to 2 litre vehicles.
the minister hasn't committed anything yet but there will be changes for sure.

[IIV8II]

Oh goody - they can all go crash in Sigmas and Lasers instead

[Josh_XC]

Originally Posted by Steffo

Same old same old, except now the morons are scratching their heads trying to explain why P-Plate deaths have doubled in NSW since the introduction of their idiotc restrictions.

yeh true true at the moment those restrictions havent seemed to be doing anything to the young road toll

[Keepleft]

TT done, now awaiting ACA.

Roosendaal met with mother and father Wells today, he is calling for 'defensive driver training' and passenger restrictions.

The first falls in line with the National Driver Training Scheme under dvelopment.

[poolkeeper]

Originally Posted by IIV8II

Oh goody - they can all go crash in Sigmas and Lasers instead

Im with you...

[70caprigt3k]

Originally Posted by D1XR2C

Im with you...

Same here, doesn't matter what kind of car it is the only factor that changes is how long it takes to get to a speed that can kill the driver/occupants/other road users.

[EA2BA]

I look at the parents, the government does not control everything 100% black and white, and if you can't make your kid buy a lesser vehicle and stay alive on the roads (according to those parents), how can you just blame the government. Far to many people want to cop out of responsability. Parents of those kids take a long hard look at yourselves not the government.

EDIT: 2L Sigma or 6cyl commodore, 100k's an hour and a tree dont mix, plain and simple facts.

rant over.

[nobbystang]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

TT done, now awaiting ACA.

Roosendaal met with mother and father Wells today, he is calling for 'defensive driver training' and passenger restrictions.

The first falls in line with the National Driver Training Scheme under dvelopment.

Perhaps the Government need to look more at the parent side of things rather than placing knee jerk restrictions on p platers. I'm open minded as to what benefit a parent of a deceased child would have, can't imagine the poor guy being too open minded, but if he has good ideas that will improve the quality of training young drivers receive then it will be justified.

Bottom line, especially form personal experience, its not so much the lack of skill but more the thought process where things go wrong. Like Dr Phil says, our brains don't fully develop til we're in our early to mid 20's.

[Keepleft]

I concure Nobbystang and others.

Government can however give us additional tools that might be of use in our road going careers; triangle, vest, by adopting these 'standard measures' used OS in Europe and expected by all drivers in that market. The ACA program had one family I know who would have benefitted.

I will be discussing NSW P2 to full license, (DQT) test 'management' and 'program'. I am not satisfied with some of this content, indeed one question demands you give an incorrect answer to pass.

I'd suggest 'full' passenger restriction will not be the go, BUT we could restrict the P plater to two passengers only, typically preventing an additional two passenger deaths in a five seater, a 'balanced' approach to this.

I do suggest that rather than relying soley on INTERNET Pdf access to the NSW Road Users Handbook, NSW's key driver manual, that parents actually fork out the $10 cost and buy it. Much of what is inside in content, aside from highlighting legal requirement, is in fact practical on-road advice and offers much 'defensive driving' tutorial. RTA have sized this so it'll fit into the glove compartment.

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Not getting into a slanging match about the shows.

No need, the programs are indefensible :->

[MITCHAY]

Well they still have no idea!

High powered V6 commodore

Yeah ok then. :

[AWD Chaser]

No matter what car you are driving, a crash at 100kph in a 60 zone will kill just as bad... unless fitted with a 6 point roll cage, which are now not allowed in QLD...


I like how on TT they were just branding "TEENAGERS" and then they do an interview with a 20 year old... pffft....

[poolkeeper]

Less passengers just means more cars, (more "hoons") and more polution...

[Miller]

As stated above, with a little persuasion, a hyundai excel will do 120kmh, only difference is that it takes half an hour longer than a new falcon or commodore. Doesn't matter what the car is, people are still going to be able to do stupid shit. Dick Johnson "Don't ban high performance cars, ban low performance drivers"

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by D1XR2C

Less passengers just means more cars, (more "hoons") and more polution...

Yep, many morons in many cars rather than many morons in one car. That's how I see it. Since they have introduced power restrictions, hasn't the road toll gone up?

[Green X]

Why do the parents always call for action after the kid kills himself or herself on the Road, but never before, it’s always after the event they decide something needs to be done?

Humm maybe emotions are running there thoughts and not sense, defensive driver corse well OK but why dose it need to be law, You and you kid both could of went out and done one, in you own free will, why do you need it to be made a law befor you do it??

Power restrictions> Once agene 90% Of the time the parents will control what car the P Plater drives.

Then you look at it and think will any of what they are saying should be changed stop what happened from happening agene, and the Answer is most probably not most of the time, Just the same way most of the Laws they have brought in over the last few years have done very little, Yet people believe bringing in even tougher laws will fix it, WTF.

[Falcon_Phill]

Same time next year the same rubbish will be on. Less tv ratings, more action may help.

[Ives]

--Sigh--... wanna know the answer?

50kW maximum + 3000rpm rev-limiter + 60kph max speed = stupid accident rate goes down drastically.

[poolkeeper]

Originally Posted by HyperKid

--Sigh--... wanna know the answer?

50kW maximum + 3000rpm rev-limiter + 60kph max speed = stupid accident rate goes down drastically.

No......, but you can still die at 60kph?

[GXL078]

Originally Posted by D1XR2C

Less passengers just means more cars, (more "hoons") and more polution...

Exactly. And all the kids will be driving home drunk and the nerd who doesn't drink won't get invited to the party as the designated driver becomes redunant.

Too many people turn to the government for a solution to their bad parenting skills that start with: 1.Dumping the kids in front of a Wiggles (or similar) DVD to be babysat.
2. Putting a TV (and phone) in the kids bedroom
3. Buying them Playstations where crashing is part of the fun and you never get hurt.
4. Not being allowed to discpline the kids.
5. Supplying the teenagers with alcohol so "at least they know what they have and how much"
etc etc.

[poolkeeper]

bit off topic, but dont you think that no booze in your system while on your p-plates, is just pretty much saying if your going to drink- get wasted???

[AnthonyQLD]

Originally Posted by D1XR2C

bit off topic, but dont you think that no booze in your system while on your p-plates, is just pretty much saying if your going to drink- get wasted???

No

[Ives]

I think it has been discussed before that one of the major causes is the driver's immaturity. A lot of kids are easily manipulated, "monkey see monkey do" people say. Have any one of you seen how they drive home after watching drag racing at WSID? or after watching any of The Fast and The Furious movies?

[Falcon_Phill]

erm i seen 2 of those movies, i drove home pretty good. Generalisations.

[Ives]

Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

erm i seen 2 of those movies, i drove home pretty good. Generalisations.

Originally Posted by HyperKid

I think it has been discussed before that one of the major causes is the driver's immaturity. A lot of kids are easily manipulated, "monkey see monkey do" people say. Have any one of you seen how they drive home after watching drag racing at WSID? or after watching any of The Fast and The Furious movies?

I didnt say "all"...

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Well they still have no idea!



Yeah ok then. :

When i heard that comment i turned my TV off and walked out of my room, dad was watching it so i continued to watch it there and it didn't get any better.

Give me some solutions not more restrictions :jab: