Speeding Camera!

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by GTP owner

I actually think the black boxes are te bees knees. If everyone had to have one, everyone would lose thier licence pretty quickly. That makes for one hell of a lot of civil disobedience because no-one would stop driving. I think it would act as a catalyst for the general public (I do not hoon so I am safe) mentality to be shaken up. Further, if the road toll failed to come down, it makes it pretty hard to keep justifying the speed kills crud.

Agree with the above! But to go to this extent would be a huge step towards 'Big Brother'. It would be political suicide. But Bracks can do what he wants and the Vics just follow like sheep!



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[kyro_02]

i'd say if bracks brang that in maybe the ones who voted for him to stay in, will finally realize(after they lost their license!) that he needs to be removed!

hmm soo i reckon the majority of people (who don't use, don't have, or sometimes forget to use a cruise control) won't be happy :P

[Sledgehammer]

Id like to see Bracks try to bring this one in, or any other government for that matter..............

[Mitch_]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

A good freind of mine works in the IT industry in MLB. The company that he works for is pitching a new system of speed control and fine processing to the VIC government. You Victorians are gonna love this. It comes in the form of a small box about the size of a cancer stick packet. It has a built in GPS and data base of all Australian roads with all speed zones included. It has the ability to email any incidence of exceeding the speed limit on any road in Australian back to the Vic government for "processing". This of course means generating a fine and posting it off to you. All it needs is a internet hot spot to keep in touch. And it can store any vialation if you are in the bushh until you are in a hot spot.

The companies own figures show that within 6 months around 40% of all drivers will have had their license suspended. On this point, I would challenge ANY driver to go out for a drive, long or short, and not slip over the posted limit at least once. It is possible to loose your license in three short drives...

The unit will cost about $500 and will need to be installed as part of your rego renewal. Cost can be spread out over 3 years......

Bracks has kept this VERY quiet...... Enjoy Mexicans!! But, given time it will be in evry car in Australia.

So I think that all this talk about speed camera's is going to be very irrelevant soon.

take it out and leave it in the garage :P

[Mutley]

This invention raises other possibilities too. It allows the government to track any individual 24/7. Mmmm. I can see registration numbers on the increase in SA and NSW.

Here is my realistic take on this scenario.
Govt implements policy.
Govt struggles to cope with the sheer mass of data
Govt outsources data processing to India / Indonesia / China etc
Overseas crime gangs corrupt data processes and information
Fancy a "please explain" regarding your where abouts from your
a) local police
b) spouse
c) boss or
d) Mother / Father.

Perhaps we can sit back in other States and enjoy the accident / Social experiment. Afterall, we haven't had a decent one since 1939.

[GT127]

The cameras are installed by the council. However the Police are responsible for callibrating the radar that stands next to the camera. The grooves in the road indicate the target area that the radar beam operates between.

[XFshep]

no idea what the hell youre all on about.

no 'fixed cameras' in perth, just radar cameras wherever they feel like putting them.

[GT127]

They have signs up before them anyway. Waste of time.

[MarkAW]

In NSW fixed speed cameras come in two distinct types:

Type 1 - Actual RADAR operated.
These are used on single lane carriageways only and can track both coming and going traffic. They are not capable of differentiating multiple lanes. The camera box contains a single aperture device covering either direction. The speed is calculated in the RADAR image as either a positive or negative value which determines whether your heading "north" or "south" and once exceeding the calibrated limit will snap a piccy of you. Previous model required a flash to operate, especially at night. With upgraded digital CCD with low light and light amplification tech a flash is no longer required. Note: not effective on on-coming motorcycles - no forward number plate.

These cameras can be identified by having a wide single slot like a mail box on the camera housing.

Type 2 - Magnetic field operation:
These cameras are positioned on multi lane carriageways (2-3 lanes) and generally shoot in a single direction (have never seen evidence of mulitple direction capability - this is not to say it doesn't exist). The camera box normally contains a multiple aperture camera where each aperture is aligned with a single lane and its associated magnetic trigger loop. As the vehicle passes over a loop, the magnetic variation is read and a speed is calculated. Exceed the calibrated limit and it will take a piccy or I believe these days a digital image is tranfered via WAN to the RTA for processing (not confirmed). As with above it may or may not need a flash device.

These cameras can be recognised by the three individual aperture holes in an inverted delta pattern on the camera housing.

Note: The RTA in NSW will quite often throw up signs to indicate the prescence of a speed camera even if the camera may not be capable of imaging in the direction being travelled.

In the end don't speed. Sooner or later they will upgrade the tech to measure in both directions for all cameras.

BTW don't forget computer cameras for heavy vehicles which always take piccys at either end of long trips ie Mt White then again at Port Macquarie. If you get there too fast then you must be speeding - here have a fine. At the moment these camera are only for heavy vehicles as the system suposedly rejects car data but it wouldn't take too much for all vehicles to be subject to this system. Hmmm that sucks. This system is already in use in Europe for monitoring speed. Wouldn't be hard to use the beeper data from Sydney's M7 tolls or Melbournes F1?? expessway to hand out fines - the police state is coming. : : :

[EB 2 XR8]

Just got a question, in Queensland i was doing 120km/h in a 110km/h zone, went pass a speed camera, i was with 5 cars on the higway and they were doing the same speed as me, i didn't see a flash, do you think I got done?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Laminge

This whinging bugger wont be getting over it, far from it, learn to keep it out of the forums or your posts will just be deleted, plenty of other forums to choose from if you do not like it.

I know it's off topic but maybe we need a big sign like this..........

[HSVETAR]

Does anyone know how this box would be wired in? It would have to be possible to take out....... Just a little senairo.... Everyone gets the little box.... Close to everyone loses their licence..... 70% of people cant get to work...... Therefore people lose their jobs.... No income.... They all go on the dol..... See a little trend happining here...... If it does come in, i doubt i would stay for very long.....

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

A good freind of mine works in the IT industry in MLB. The company that he works for is pitching a new system of speed control and fine processing to the VIC government.
Bracks has kept this VERY quiet...... Enjoy Mexicans!! But, given time it will be in evry car in Australia.

So I think that all this talk about speed camera's is going to be very irrelevant soon.

I think the key phrase here is "is pitching a new system of speed control and fine processing to the VIC government."

I take this to mean that some IT company is trying to SELL the idea. Why would an IT company try to sell this to just the Vic govt? With the media outcry in NSW and Qld about 'P' plate drivers I would have thought that if this is a smart IT company it would be screaming about it to every media outlet it can find.

It will never happen.

[Outbackjack]

It is the same company that developed the auto toll systems in QLD. They have pitched it to all governments in Australia. Victoria is the only one that responded with "tell us more"

It wont happen??? Time will tell. These have been famous words said by many a person......

[Smoked]

You potentially could be busted for speeding to get out of dangerous situation, with no proof that you had to do it. It wont come into effect.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Smoked

You potentially could be busted for speeding to get out of dangerous situation, with no proof that you had to do it. It wont come into effect.

Do you really think that Bracks could give a tinkers cuss! Just pay and pay and pay..... Thats what it is all about. Wether it comes this year or next year, it will come. Can you imagine the revenue that this will generate!! It will come.

[Bent8]

Generally the Multinova Radar's are limited to a range of about 40m because apparently their accuracy falls off greatly beyond that range.

Here's a good website that explains everything you need to know about those pesky Multinova's...

http://www.nomorefines.com.au

[MarkAW]

Originally Posted by EB 2 XR8

Just got a question, in Queensland i was doing 120km/h in a 110km/h zone, went pass a speed camera, i was with 5 cars on the higway and they were doing the same speed as me, i didn't see a flash, do you think I got done?

For what I've heard in NSW the overspeed limit is approx 10% so at 110 you'd be just inside plus any allowance in your speedo (most speedos over-read when I compared to my GPS). If Qld is the same then you might of got away with it. As to the flash read my earlier post - they don't need flash units in many sites now due to digital equipment with low light tech (think this was brought in to stop people using "anti-flash" number plate covers and sprays). As far as using other cars fore and aft, to prevent the camera angle you'd need to be butting the guy in front by about a metre to cover his plate and tail end charlie will still get a piccy.

GPS devices to monitor speed
Don't bet that it won't come in. Truckies said for years that speed loggers would never happen - they did.

They would start first by maybe giving people with long histories of speeding one instead of losing license for a set period (like the 10P1 license in NSW) then they'd gradually inch them in. Maybe give insurance or rego discount for having them fitted, then later make them mandatory with no discount.

You might be able to by-pass them just like the front to rear cable on a truck speed limiter but sooner or later you get caught and if this thing stores data it's going to download a whole shit load all in one go - bye bye license.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Do you really think that Bracks could give a tinkers cuss! Just pay and pay and pay..... Thats what it is all about. Wether it comes this year or next year, it will come. Can you imagine the revenue that this will generate!! It will come.

You've obviously been into the plonk way too much. Something like this is called political suicide.

Get a grip.

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by MarkAW

In NSW fixed speed cameras come in two distinct types:

Type 1 - Actual RADAR operated.
These are used on single lane carriageways only and can track both coming and going traffic. They are not capable of differentiating multiple lanes. The camera box contains a single aperture device covering either direction. The speed is calculated in the RADAR image as either a positive or negative value which determines whether your heading "north" or "south" and once exceeding the calibrated limit will snap a piccy of you. Previous model required a flash to operate, especially at night. With upgraded digital CCD with low light and light amplification tech a flash is no longer required. Note: not effective on on-coming motorcycles - no forward number plate.

These cameras can be identified by having a wide single slot like a mail box on the camera housing.

Type 2 - Magnetic field operation:
These cameras are positioned on multi lane carriageways (2-3 lanes) and generally shoot in a single direction (have never seen evidence of mulitple direction capability - this is not to say it doesn't exist). The camera box normally contains a multiple aperture camera where each aperture is aligned with a single lane and its associated magnetic trigger loop. As the vehicle passes over a loop, the magnetic variation is read and a speed is calculated. Exceed the calibrated limit and it will take a piccy or I believe these days a digital image is tranfered via WAN to the RTA for processing (not confirmed). As with above it may or may not need a flash device.

These cameras can be recognised by the three individual aperture holes in an inverted delta pattern on the camera housing.

Note: The RTA in NSW will quite often throw up signs to indicate the prescence of a speed camera even if the camera may not be capable of imaging in the direction being travelled.

In the end don't speed. Sooner or later they will upgrade the tech to measure in both directions for all cameras.

BTW don't forget computer cameras for heavy vehicles which always take piccys at either end of long trips ie Mt White then again at Port Macquarie. If you get there too fast then you must be speeding - here have a fine. At the moment these camera are only for heavy vehicles as the system suposedly rejects car data but it wouldn't take too much for all vehicles to be subject to this system. Hmmm that sucks. This system is already in use in Europe for monitoring speed. Wouldn't be hard to use the beeper data from Sydney's M7 tolls or Melbournes F1?? expessway to hand out fines - the police state is coming. : : :

Someone with more effort than I have ... pretty much on the dot perfect.
I used to work for a company outsourced by the RTA and worked on the Safe-T-Cam network ... at the moment it is calibrated to only take images of "large" vehicles using markers on the freeway/highway to determine size.

If a vehicle that is not a truck manages to trick it and an image is taken (say a car/caravan) the image gets discarded.

All cameras are inrafred and image quality is phenomenal as well. Many truck driver has tried tricks to bypass getting their numberplate OCRed and recorded though.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

You've obviously been into the plonk way too much. Something like this is called political suicide.

Get a grip.

I will assume that you have said this in a good natured way...... PC dictates that we must never ever say anything that might hurt someone's feeling you know!!...... :

We may see it as political suicide but we have a many pollies in Australia at the moment with big electoral wins under their belts that feel invincible. Bracks is one of them. I detect a fear in your post that was written with a "it will never happen optimism". Well, as I have said, many a person has come un stuck by clinging to that optimism.

Like many righteous people have stated on these forums, "dont speed and you will be OK" :

[Richo72]

Less likely to come in for us Mexicans as we don't have to have a roardworthy to renew rego...just a letter in the mail, pay it on-line and off we go...

Re fixed speed cameras, when working at in Campbellfield down here in Mexico, you could pick the regulars on the Ring Road during the morning commute. 120km/h approach bridge / ovepass / overhead sign hiding the cameras, brake back to the speed limit, pass camera, accelarate. Even funnier watching it at night!!

Fixed point cameras aren't a huge problem...mobile however, are a different story. Although they aren't out and about at night down here anymore after a series of assaults on the operators.....

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Richo72

Less likely to come in for us Mexicans as we don't have to have a roardworthy to renew rego...just a letter in the mail, pay it on-line and off we go...

And that can never be changed???