Ohio Judge finds speed cameras "unconstitutional"

[EVLKNEVL]

A SMALL hand-held device is changing the way Sunshine Coast Police patrol the roads - and it is catching hundreds of speeding motorists every day.
TruCam uses laser technology to detect the speed of a vehicle, capturing split-second digital images of offenders.
In a three-hour deployment of the camera on Wednesday, a horrifying 249 drivers were caught breaking the law along Ballinger Rd at Buderim - one at 30kmh above the speed limit.
There were 95 speeders caught along Petrie Creek Rd at Nambour a week earlier, and 104 along David Low Way at Peregian Beach.
>> CHECK OUT VISION FROM TRAFFIC CAMERAS HERE
The camera detected 17 drivers breaking the 80kmh speed limit along Petrie Creek Rd yesterday.
Sunshine Coast Road Policing Unit officer-in-charge Shane Panoho said the number of drivers being caught above the speed limit was "ridiculous".
"There is a blatant disregard for speed limits all over the Sunshine Coast," Snr Sgt Panoho said.
"Because the TruCam is a portable device we can use it in unmarked vehicles.

"Most people won't know until they get a notice in the mail."

A high-quality camera lens inside TruCam records the targeted vehicle's details, such as speed, location and operator.
This image and data are processed and a "speed camera detected offence notice" issued to offenders.
"TruCam eliminates the need to stop the vehicle immediately, which at times can be extremely dangerous for the motorist and police officer," Snr Sgt Panoho said.
"But our main reason for using the camera is to improve safety for all drivers."

The plan here then, is to not stop motorists from speeding... just punish them for it.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Hadley/Jones are your friends

resentment of real experts, instead simplistic answers to complex questions and criticism of everyone else based on scant information

thank goodness you aren't in a position of real power

Please define for me what constitutes a real expert.

And ease off the govco Kool-Aid.

[steve.zissou]

if speed cameras work, no one would get fined the following year right - because no one would speed because of the speed cameras that stop people speeding ?

Well atleast the speed camera fines would decrease as people slow down right - what they are increasing 30% this year? but if they work people would slow own and fine revenue would decrease?

and any way Speeding accounts for less than 7% of accident primary causes - omg

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by dylby1

I hate these "get rid of speed cameras" threads and posts.
If you're not speeding you won't have an issue, if you are speeding then you should deal with whatever is coming your way.

And your Mister Perfect!:
Get Real.

[5.4Tradie]

The thing about speed cameras that bothers me the most is what they don't pick up. Namely,if the driver's been drinking,is on drugs,is unlicensed. If the car is unregistered,or stolen,unroadworthy etc etc. Unfortunately only a cop on the spot can determine if this is the case.
But it costs money to employ a policeman,its much cheaper to put a camera by the side of the road.

[mik]

Originally Posted by xxx000

watched a bit of that video

well off people whinging and claiming they're hard done by, reality check time pal

that guy would be painful to deal with, questioning everything possible

he seriously wants Customs to prove they're a Govt dept, if everyone was like him the world would be at a standstill

can you blame people for not answering a weirdo like him?

There was a reason he asked questions, of course you have to watch the video in entirety to get that, but the point was , the gov department is registered by copy right in the US !!! as opposed to the the kosher...... real mc coy Australian government,
when he questioned their validity, they did like a typical politician thing and tried to talk their way around it and baffle him with jargon , but would not and could not verify their entitlement to charge him a fee as the legal Australian government department.
It is because of guys(re link post 14) like this that put in the hard yards and question Authority instead of blindly doing what is requested and being a dumb sheep, so there is a small chance we the dumb sheep might make things right one day.

[FGII-XR6]

I got about a quarter the way through it and didn't want to waste anymore time listening to a paranoid loony, I see no connection between this idiot and my post

Originally Posted by mik

watch this video clip and tell me again .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umVj5XQYAi8

[jpblue1000]

Just a question to all you anti camera guys. If the Authorities came out and declared speed cameras were about revenue, they were a tax on getting places quicker than mandated, would that make you feel any better. would you continue to speed and or complain?

JP

[mik]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

I got about a quarter the way through it and didn't want to waste anymore time listening to a paranoid loony, I see no connection between this idiot and my post

fair enough mate, i watched the whole clip and didn't come to that conclusion but to each his own.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Just a question to all you anti camera guys. If the Authorities came out and declared speed cameras were about revenue, they were a tax on getting places quicker than mandated, would that make you feel any better. would you continue to speed and or complain?

JP

If the govt was motivated by the revenue, they would publish estimates in increased revenue from added speed cameras. Oh wait, they do!

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/s...-1226671622768

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Hadley/Jones are your friends

resentment of real experts, instead simplistic answers to complex questions and criticism of everyone else based on scant information

thank goodness you aren't in a position of real power

Sounds like you were and maybe still are a person that was wrapped up in cotton wool....

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by flappist

Red light cameras along with rail crossing cameras etc. are an important safety device PROVIDED there are lots of big signs indicating that they are there.

Even speed cameras set up in dangerous places with big signs such as in NSW are an important safety device.

Most people will not do dangerous things provided they know of the danger.
The purpose of safety equipment is to save lives not make money and the more money a red light camera/speed camera makes the greater failure it is.

Great post Flappist, I never thought that the speed camera that makes the most money is obviously the biggest failure. But it is not doing what it is intended to do.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by flappist

Red light cameras along with rail crossing cameras etc. are an important safety device PROVIDED there are lots of big signs indicating that they are there.

Even speed cameras set up in dangerous places with big signs such as in NSW are an important safety device.

Most people will not do dangerous things provided they know of the danger.
The purpose of safety equipment is to save lives not make money and the more money a red light camera/speed camera makes the greater failure it is.

Secret hidden speed cameras set up in places that are not inately dangerous with a focus on revinue and the dogma that under no circumstances in no place is it safe to exceed a number on a sign placed there by a public servant with no regard to the actual conditions over the instructions on a replicated form is what I and many others object to.



Yeh I hate the "Nazis were bad" posts. If you did not worship in a Synagogue then you would not have been murdered in a death camp. That was the law at the time.....

Just because something is legal or supported by law does not automatically make it right or just.

That's not fully true flappy, their were Jews in high command etc of the Nazis and it was more like if you are not for us, you are against us deal, and that's a fact.
Aussies watch to much trash TV for there education.

[GK]

Originally Posted by flappist

Which is exactly what happened in Germany.

It is VERY related. A group of people who were the democratically elected Government of a soverign country implemented a law and then applied penalties to those who transgressed the law.

It is interesting to note that those who "support" the law do not support the rights of others to question the law.

Indeed. If people do not have the right to challenge or question the law, then we are a very far cry from a democracy.

Which is what is taking place in our country at a great rate of knots.

The old "if you don't like speed cameras don't speed" argument ails me everytime.

That is not the point. It's the way 'safety' and 'concern' is often used to implement new taxation, from a moral high ground that makes it hard to question why such implementations take place.

There is simply way too much PC, group think and group speak going on in our nation. It's getting to the point that anyone who raises any questions against the powers that be are viewed as rednecks and irrational.

GK

[Rockape]

Cameras haven't stopped people speeding. They don't work

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by dylby1

Just because you don't agree with a law doesn't change the fact that its there. You can't pick and choose what laws to follow just because you disagree with them, and if you do choose to break them then you should be prepared to deal with the consequences.

So if there was a law that came about banning any use of TF Magnas, would you lie down and accept it or stand up and say it's wrong?

No difference here.

[Guzz226]

Originally Posted by 5.4Tradie

The thing about speed cameras that bothers me the most is what they don't pick up. Namely,if the driver's been drinking,is on drugs,is unlicensed. If the car is unregistered,or stolen,unroadworthy etc etc. Unfortunately only a cop on the spot can determine if this is the case.
But it costs money to employ a policeman,its much cheaper to put a camera by the side of the road.

So because the camera can't do everything we should do nothing?

[Guzz226]

Cameras and speed tax are a moot point if you don't speed. It is an optional 'tax'.

[jimmyxr6t04]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Just a question to all you anti camera guys. If the Authorities came out and declared speed cameras were about revenue, they were a tax on getting places quicker than mandated, would that make you feel any better. would you continue to speed and or complain?

JP

If the 'speed tax' was proportionate to the time saved then i wouldn't have an issue... I'd gladly pay a couple of bucks tax to be able to drive freely, and not worry about my speedo every 10 seconds. I'd pay a $500 year tax to be excused of speeding fines within limits of course... For example, no more than 30km/h per hour over the limit on a freeway...

When i drive down a freeway without cruise control, my speed always gravitates to about 120-130km/h... very rarely does it exceed that speed... I wonder why? Maybe, it's because that is a comfortable speed for the conditions and without needing to check my speedo i know that the speed isn't fluctuating much at all.

As the years roll on, i feel more and oppressed. Can't do this, can't do that, pay tax this, pay tax that (alcopops, cigarettes, driving V8s, emissions) and the list goes on!

[prydey]

Originally Posted by flappist

Red light cameras along with rail crossing cameras etc. are an important safety device PROVIDED there are lots of big signs indicating that they are there.

Even speed cameras set up in dangerous places with big signs such as in NSW are an important safety device.

Most people will not do dangerous things provided they know of the danger.

i have no problem with camera's for red light and train crossing, even if there is no signage!!

are you suggesting that without signage, people aren't aware of the dangers of running a red light?? or a train crossing?? i would find that very hard to believe from a rational thinker such as yourself.

[Guzz226]

Originally Posted by jimmyxr6t04

If the 'speed tax' was proportionate to the time saved then i wouldn't have an issue... I'd gladly pay a couple of bucks tax to be able to drive freely, and not worry about my speedo every 10 seconds. I'd pay a $500 year tax to be excused of speeding fines within limits of course... For example, no more than 30km/h per hour over the limit on a freeway...

When i drive down a freeway without cruise control, my speed always gravitates to about 120-130km/h... very rarely does it exceed that speed... I wonder why? Maybe, it's because that is a comfortable speed for the conditions and without needing to check my speedo i know that the speed isn't fluctuating much at all.

As the years roll on, i feel more and oppressed. Can't do this, can't do that, pay tax this, pay tax that (alcopops, cigarettes, driving V8s, emissions) and the list goes on!

Then the argument will just shift to 135 is only a few Kms over the 130 limit you paid for. Wherever the line is people will always be wanting more....

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by dylby1

I hate these "get rid of speed cameras" threads and posts.
If you're not speeding you won't have an issue, if you are speeding then you should deal with whatever is coming your way.

You're complete and absolute trust in the infallible accuracy of a piece of technology used in all sorts of environmental conditions by a variety of operators is sweet...

And yes, the exact point is that cameras don't pick up the true dangers to other road users. They don't get unroadworthy vehicles, drunk drivers, unlicenced drivers, drugged drivers, etc. All they do is fool people into a false sense of security that "the bad guys" are getting caught, to whit: the people doing 10kph over the limit, and that's all we have to worry about. "Don't speed and you'll never have an accident".

[flappist]

Originally Posted by prydey

i have no problem with camera's for red light and train crossing, even if there is no signage!!

are you suggesting that without signage, people aren't aware of the dangers of running a red light?? or a train crossing?? i would find that very hard to believe from a rational thinker such as yourself.

The sign is to say "You are being watched", right here, right now.

To believe that one can change human behavior that has evolved over hundreds of thousands of years is farcical.

We have a whole society of "rational thinkers" who have tried to "improve " human behavior by removing competition and discipline in schools, releasing the mentally ill and recidivists into the general public, allowing a culture of entitlement to thrive in the non contributing and disruptive sectors and vilifying anyone who disputes their "truths".

How has this worked out so far...........

[prydey]

so you are saying people are not aware of the dangers of running a red light? or a train crossing?

[mik]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

You're complete and absolute trust in the infallible accuracy of a piece of technology used in all sorts of environmental conditions by a variety of operators is sweet...

And yes, the exact point is that cameras don't pick up the true dangers to other road users. They don't get unroadworthy vehicles, drunk drivers, unlicenced drivers, drugged drivers, etc. All they do is fool people into a false sense of security that "the bad guys" are getting caught, to whit: the people doing 10kph over the limit, and that's all we have to worry about. "Don't speed and you'll never have an accident".

Also they don't pick up erratic driving, ratbag lane changing, tail gating, the mentality of all you need is cameras to curb bad driver behavior is just plain foolish.

[jimmyxr6t04]

Originally Posted by Guzz226

Then the argument will just shift to 135 is only a few Kms over the 130 limit you paid for. Wherever the line is people will always be wanting more....

No, then you'd cop the fine for being 25km/h over the limit on top of your yearly speeding tax... if you're willing to risk it, you pay the fine.

Edit: not a bad idea really haha... government would get a guaranteed tax from those who pay it, plus revenue on top...

[flappist]

Originally Posted by prydey

so you are saying people are not aware of the dangers of running a red light? or a train crossing?

Some people just have to be reminded occasionally so that they do not test the boundaries and end up being penalised.

But then running a red light is not like be deliberately argumentative is it......

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

A classic example and one that crops up all the time from all the armchair lawyers is the old chestnut of local governments not having the authority to levy rates/fines/charges.

If local governments are not legitimate authority, then why are they having a referendum to change the constitution to recognise that they are?


Back on topic, was there any response from the ticket collection company?

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by prydey

i have no problem with camera's for red light and train crossing, even if there is no signage!!

The problem with train crossings is there is there is no amber. Does the camera activate as soon as the red lights flash or would there be a 5-10 second delay? I can see different states having their own idea as what constitutes sufficient time. Just like speed tolerances and speed limits, they would get shorter and shorter "for safety." The increase in revenue would be an unfortunate coincidence.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by GK

Indeed. If people do not have the right to challenge or question the law, then we are a very far cry from a democracy.

Which is what is taking place in our country at a great rate of knots.

The old "if you don't like speed cameras don't speed" argument ails me everytime.

That is not the point. It's the way 'safety' and 'concern' is often used to implement new taxation, from a moral high ground that makes it hard to question why such implementations take place.

There is simply way too much PC, group think and group speak going on in our nation. It's getting to the point that anyone who raises any questions against the powers that be are viewed as rednecks and irrational.

GK

Yes our grovelment is very cunning with what they can get away with, like making a load of money out of something that makes out they are fully interested in the intrest of the people when it's not really true at all evidently.

I seen a woman on friday turn 3 times with out indercation and drove streight through a stop sign, i was going to have a word with her, the silly old bat.
My sister had just been T boned badly the other day by some fool running a red light. i walked in behind this woman in the shop as she went to a ATM and i did not say a word to her. maybe because i would of went off at her, if she was belligrent.
But that's the type of person that we have runing about that does not drive fast but is a grossly incompetent twit regardless.