New QLD hoon laws...this is a worry.

[robbyj]

My question is.. if someone gets done, their car gets impounded for 3 months. If they get done again in the 5 years.. but in a different car.. what happens then?

Within the 3 month period a lot of people are going to have bought a new **** box do get around in. While they still have their license for a bit.

[302 XC]

New laws are all good , and its really a simple answer to a not so simple question
Instead of the government being the high and mighty they proclaim, how about implementing proper driver education, how about having roads that are safe, why do P plates need 200 KWs ???,and finally why are companies making the latest model faster than the one before
My AU ute for example isnt the fastest ship in the sea, but for a rather factory spec car,it comes lively very quickly,it cant be pushed hard of the mark,it just smokes the rears,turn onto a road,and you have to idle out ,then when straight put the foot down or it just lights up
Yet its considered a slug to whats new ....
I think the term "hoon" or "hoonig" is to broad

[grandpa_spec_F6]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

New laws are all good , and its really a simple answer to a not so simple question
Instead of the government being the high and mighty they proclaim, how about implementing proper driver education, how about having roads that are safe, why do P plates need 200 KWs ???,and finally why are companies making the latest model faster than the one before

In a word, MONEY.

Why SPEND and get votes... when you can PROFIT and get votes?

What worries me is that I've had the back end slide out on me driving normally, in "D" with light throttle and if a cop had seen it I know what that talk would go like:

"The back stepped out because the road around here is about as smooth as Darren Lockyers voice officer it honestly wasn-..."
"SHUTUP DON'T BE A SMARTARSE, 22 you say? Driving an F6?? This equation is infallible, HOON!"

[2011G6E]

The public has a false perception that "hooning" only means burnouts, street racing, and drifting on the street, and nothing else.

Oh how wrong they are...the media constantly wheels out bunches of crap buckets they have confiscated for "hooning" and usually it is for two things: burnouts and speeding...I've even seen cars impounded for excessive noise from illegal exhaust systems called "impounded hoons cars" in local newspapers in various towns. The public will be very surprised to find out that the wrong police officer on the wrong day can categorise something as basic as speeding as "hooning". Common quotes are when they mention people speeding in residential streets, and they are automatically labelled "hoons".

If you give something a catchy name, but with no real solid description for what it is, that does not solve anything. All it does is make a whole lot of victims who will be standing bewildered as their car is confiscated for "hooning" as they say, stunned, "But I was only going over the speed limit by 10kph...how is that hooning?".

[grandpa_spec_F6]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

If you give something a catchy name, but with no real solid description for what it is, that does not solve anything. All it does is make a whole lot of victims who will be standing bewildered as their car is confiscated for "hooning" as they say, stunned, "But I was only going over the speed limit by 10kph...how is that hooning?".

In another thread (a very long post which I won't repeat here) I summed up their tactics like those of any nation at war.

Governments, newspapers, media in general always personify a country or people to make it easier to vilify them. Rather than hate the individual which is far too confronting, make them hate a group as they're all the same, aren't they? Of course they are! Look at the economy, look at the state of our nation, look at the road toll, look at <insert issue here>, want to know the source? We found it! Blame them! Hate them! Condemn them all!

Sound like familiar tactics?

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

How many coppers do you seeing sitting in their police car doing a burnout, illegal street racing, drifting or doing donuts? I don't recall seeing any. But that's not to say it doesn't happen. Maybe outside Krispy Kremes?

Should probably do a bit of driving out west, they do a lot of stupid stuff out there in cop cars just because they can and no1 will see them, saw fooage on a truckies phone of a ss commodore highway pursuit car doin donuts and old mate blew it up near charleville not very long ago at all

[Murph-51]

Hey quite simple:
Dont hoon, no worries!
Become a do gooder citizen today and watch all your worries just wash away!!!

[JACK250]

Apart from all the problems that have been mentioned, I think crushing cars is plain irresponsible - potentially valuable cars will be be destroyed, which could instead be auctioned, and have the revenue go to say... Road toll victims, or improving unsafe roads?

[Sprint]

Originally Posted by Murph-51

Hey quite simple:
Dont hoon, no worries!
Become a do gooder citizen today and watch all your worries just wash away!!!

Its not that simple, a long time ago my show escort got defected, i was not even driving it and previously had been driving very slow behind a truck.Didnt even drivve the car much. 25,000 kms in 9 years.

I stopped at mc donnells and on my way out a cop was standing there saying my car was too low ect.

He basically was targeting me for my done up car, car was not stupid low.

He asked me to pop the bonnet and i said it was broken lol, i had webbers and msd ect.

from that moment i got into proper offroad racing cars, although my street legal PRC rally full race car was interesting to drive on the road hehe.

[Fireblade]

A very good mate of mine and another mate went to town last weekend and ended up being beaten and stomped by a group of about twenty guys, 000 was called four times not one cop turned up but an ambulance did, bet the cops were too busy booking someone for doing 20 over because they MAY have hurt somebody meanwhile these guys are getting the **** kicked out of them and there was nobody to help. They lodged a report the next day and the copper turns around and says we'll be lucky to catch them and even if we do they will probably get a slap on the wrist, but get caught doing a burnout and bye bye car, seems real fair. After this incident I have lost a little respect for the law, really not there when you need them and with all the deaths and beatings happening in Adelaide which has become an epidemic lately but still are not there when the call is made. But Hoons are still the hot topic of the day.

[xisled]

I see in this thread and many other threads that people have not actually read the laws, just read the reports in the media.

I will give you an example. In Victoria your car can only be impounded for speeding if you do over 45ks over the limit.

Also if it is a junior officer who see the offence and wants to impound the car, a senior officer must sign off on the impound.

So people should reads the laws and then with a better understanding make comment.

IMO these laws are to punish the serious offences. Out if all the people I know who have been impounded , including myself, there has never been a case of being impounded for an accidental thing.

[Sprint]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

A very good mate of mine and another mate went to town last weekend and ended up being beaten and stomped by a group of about twenty guys, 000 was called four times not one cop turned up but an ambulance did, bet the cops were too busy booking someone for doing 20 over because they MAY have hurt somebody meanwhile these guys are getting the **** kicked out of them and there was nobody to help. They lodged a report the next day and the copper turns around and says we'll be lucky to catch them and even if we do they will probably get a slap on the wrist, but get caught doing a burnout and bye bye car, seems real fair. After this incident I have lost a little respect for the law, really not there when you need them and with all the deaths and beatings happening in Adelaide which has become an epidemic lately but still are not there when the call is made. But Hoons are still the hot topic of the day.

I had 30 stitches in my face but no cop ever came but ambos did, after hospital i had to report the matter myself .

I guessed the cops missed the major pool of blood or witnesses.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Police will victimise certain drivers of certain cars...we all know this. My son was pulled over for doing 118k's on the highway near here overtaking a truck that was dropping gravel all over the road (in my old very recognisable Celica, the only one in the area), and in the couple of weeks following that, I was pulled over twice for "random licence checks" and once for a "quick mechanical check" and rego check. I hadn't even been pulled over before out here, so you can't say they weren't actively targeting the car. Other guys with specialist cars like modified FPV's and HSV's and WRX's out here just shrugged and said "That's what you have to put up with...you become a very visible target for a while".

Anyone who thinks otherwise is very very naive...

Well there is a perfect example of good police work, the car is recognised and was driven in an unsafe manner (speeding). So now police did their job by 'keeping an eye' on the vehicle and driver to ensure the drivers behaviour is modified.

Well on your other point I have driven modified specialist cars all my life, ranging from XB Coupe, XB GT, Various XR8's all modified and lowered and loud, to my current BF GT with full exhaust and over 400rwhp, have never been pulled over in the BF since buying it new in 2007, was stopped and booked once in my old XR8 for speeding, so I don't believe in this targeting, I think it's your manner of driving that makes you a target not the car you drive.

[Angeldust]

real hoons will just buy another $800 VN roundabout drifter and wont give a toss if it gets crushed.

lol

[1TUFFUTE]

the world is run by money...you just have to do the best you can with all the #&%$#s running the place.

[jpd80]

The existing three strike rule on anti-hooning is effective and IMO a more practical...

[TMC]

I remember back in 88 at high school. Pursuit vehicle pulls out of the school carpark and just lets the back tyres burn for 100m. Great example guys, but boy it was great. All cops hoon.

[flooded one]

they do target certain cars and people!! i used too drive my missus old TN Magna and the cops used too pull me over and even had one claim i was speeding when he didnt have a radar gun!!! both of us never got a fine in that car but yet when i drove it i was always hounded by the police. it was a rather boring car too drive and i never hooned in it and i would get pulled over all the time!!! yet i can drive both AUs and never get hounded!!! hows that make sense?? the person who owned the magna before my missus did was an elderly woman. so cant say the car was hooned before we had it!!! a good mate of mine was driving another mates triton ute and we got pulled over for RBT. i noticed the person in front got breathalised then drove off and didnt get asked for his licence. however because the copper noticed my mate has tattoos he was asked for his licence and was asked if the car was his. so you cant tell me that they dont pick certain people and cars. my mate has never had a criminal conviction in his life either

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by TMC

I remember back in 88 at high school. Pursuit vehicle pulls out of the school carpark and just lets the back tyres burn for 100m. Great example guys, but boy it was great. All cops hoon.

thats why they become coppers so they can!!!

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Well there is a perfect example of good police work, the car is recognised and was driven in an unsafe manner (speeding). So now police did their job by 'keeping an eye' on the vehicle and driver to ensure the drivers behaviour is modified.

So...just pulling over the same car to harass the driver "just in case" is "good police work"?

I think it's your manner of driving that makes you a target not the car you drive.

Really...

[TheInterceptor]

Originally Posted by wildrider

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a good mate of mine was driving another mates triton ute and we got pulled over for RBT. i noticed the person in front got breathalised then drove off and didnt get asked for his licence. however because the copper noticed my mate has tattoos he was asked for his licence and was asked if the car was his. so you cant tell me that they dont pick certain people and cars. my mate has never had a criminal conviction in his life either

Reminds me of when i went to Bathurst last Saturday when the races were on. To access the rear of the mountain you had to go through a checkpoint, an RBT. Miss Copper after the breath test asked for my licence and walked around my car checking, id say for something to defect... She nor the other copper there didn't do that to the other cars passing through.

Green P plater here....in an AUII wagon with kit that looks a bit far from a hoons car so must have just been my P plates. Coppers hmpf...i wont say what i think...

[NAK302]

quick easy answer.
become a highway patrolman and hoon all you want....

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

So...just pulling over the same car to harass the driver "just in case" is "good police work"?



Really...

Well why else was the car pulled over if not manner of driving (speeding), or are you suggesting had your son not been speeding in your car he would still have been pulled over?? Any with the amount of police attention your car has been getting he probably gave them attitude, I mean I wasn't there, but seems a lot of attention for a simple speeding offence, would not be surprised if the officer placed a warning on the vehicle about the poor attitude of driver, hence the attention (I am only speculating of course as I was not there)

Or is your son a P plater?? If yes the police might have put a notice on the vehicle saying it may be driven by a P plater and if the vehicle is seen without P plates it will be stopped to ascertain driver.

All possibilities for the police attention.

I guess we never know, but chances are he would not have drawn attention to himself if the vehicle/driver had he not been breaking the law, and yes once you break the law it is the police officers job to do something about it.

[jpd80]

Some of us old fogies remember "SLEEPER"vehicles and why they came into existence,
vehicles that looked stock but drove wild whilst flying "below the radar" of officious police..

Also, since moving to Brisabne, i find it amazing the lack of intelligence displayed by neighbours
and visitors in hot ricer cars, and also some HSVs and FPVs, these guys are so dumb that they
go half a block before turning into insane lunatics, oblivious that no fewer than four police live in
the surrounding streets. If anyone deserves a flogging it's people with no brains or courtesy for others.....

[Jim Goose]

My mates aunties brother twice removed from my fathers uncles side once told me a story about how a copper pulled him over for no reason except because the car was green.... bloody police harrassment i tell ya....

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

My mates aunties brother twice removed from my fathers uncles side once told me a story about how a copper pulled him over for no reason except because the car was green.... bloody police harrassment i tell ya....

LOL, a friend got pulled over in his XY GS 250 2V years ago, cop leans over the bonnet looks at the engine and asks, "Mate, is that a 351 V8?"
The friend then showed him the spark plugs were in a line and counted them for him...all six of them.

[XR6TCraig]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Well why else was the car pulled over if not manner of driving (speeding), or are you suggesting had your son not been speeding in your car he would still have been pulled over?? Any with the amount of police attention your car has been getting he probably gave them attitude, I mean I wasn't there, but seems a lot of attention for a simple speeding offence, would not be surprised if the officer placed a warning on the vehicle about the poor attitude of driver, hence the attention (I am only speculating of course as I was not there)

Or is your son a P plater?? If yes the police might have put a notice on the vehicle saying it may be driven by a P plater and if the vehicle is seen without P plates it will be stopped to ascertain driver.

All possibilities for the police attention.

I guess we never know, but chances are he would not have drawn attention to himself if the vehicle/driver had he not been breaking the law, and yes once you break the law it is the police officers job to do something about it.

You are quick to judge. What's more you are making quite a few assumptions there and drawing quite a long bow at that. Good on you for not getting caught speeding in your area while driving powerful vehicles but passing a car on the M4 is a different kettle of fish compared to passing a truck on a busy single carriageway highway. All you need to do is set the cruise and if anyone is travelling slower than you, change lanes. So easy not to speed in that situation compared to this circumstance!

Keeping in mind that this didn't happen in Sydney where there are dual carriageways everywhere , but in a fairly isolated area( but quite busy due to the high volume of traffic associated with the mining industry) of central qld with passing lanes about as common as rocking horse poo, to only get to 118 while passing a truck is pretty tame. You may not actually get that if you spend the bulk of your time on the m4 though, in which case you really should take the time to consider it.
We don't all get to travel on that awesome road infrastructure like you. Some of us have to live out in these areas to pull the black stuff out of the ground so that the government has money to pay for all those fancy roads you enjoy.

[flappist]

Keep it civil and on topic please

[Franco Cozzo]

Buy a Toyota Camry, break out the beige cardigan, put the hat on the rear parcel shelf and become invisible to the law and society as a whole.

Its all about blending in I tells ya.

I drive my white TDCI Focus and I've only been pulled into a drugs/booze bus setup in Tullamarine twice, flying under the radar with my covered foam pod filter going SHHHHHHH when the turbo spools up .

My next door neighbour has a 2010 SV6 Commodore ute in that wildfire orange colour and he gets pulled over by cops all the time asking for license and to blow into the breathalyser.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by TMC

All cops hoon.

most do - and that is why many will let you off with a warning if you are polite to them

i was caught many years ago for dragging in fog and hooning around a car park. i was let off both times, no doubt in part because of my attitude towards them and the fact that while i/we were being stupid there was no one else around. an amount of thought had been put into it instead of just going crazy

they actually gave my mate a fine for hanging out of the rear window in the hooning around a car park case, because surprise, surprise . . . he gave them attitude





i accept that people are worried because there is no true definition of "hoon", but personally i have had no problems with the boys in blue. they have never given me any more than i deserved, and on many occasions gave me much less than they should have