Officially upset at Ford Australia - but we're now friends again

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by Thunder

my gripe about the choice of Falcon products versus Territory products right now makes no sence.

Mate I hear you. As a life long Falcon fan there have been many things Ford Australia have done which maked no sense. How I managed to remain loyal to them when so many others have fallen of the bandwagon is a mystery.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Mate I hear you. As a life long Falcon fan there have been many things Ford Australia have done which maked no sense. How I managed to remain loyal to them when so many others have fallen of the bandwagon is a mystery.

And this is the issue: Dealers are saying the same thing. From the conversation with my dealer, i get the feeling that the dealer network are just waiting for Ford Aus to be a "take it or leave it" seller of import only models. Was advised that currently they get more request for things they dont have than cars they sell.

Sad.

[MAFIA]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

I would say its because they have done the figures and found that a massive percentage bought what is now on offer and when Turbos, FPV variants were available they sold bugger all?

Who really done the math and figures as the marketing and advertising team are really bad at what they do at Ford HQ here in Oz!

[greenfoam]

10% of Fords problems have been a shift in the market, 90% is simply from being too far removed from the public. They have noooooooooo idea what the public want. 90% of it is 100% their own mismanagement.

I'm guessing they don't go on the internet or read what people say so I don't know what's the point of us all whinging which is in our own way just trying to help. But it's not working..

How hard would it be to get rid of one bland colour x on the line and replace it with yellow or red.. I mean it makes sense to have some different things to cover your bases. 8 shades of bland may as well be one shade of bland

Cars like the Territory cost a lot of money you should at least be able to get exactly what you want.

[dimka100]

For anyone in the market for a nice SUV you must watch the latest episode of Top Gear!!! (download it ...)

The review of the latest aluminium Range Rover is simply stunning, makes you wanna sell your balls and kidneys ...

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Our 4.0 AWD ZF has 135,000km on it and has been absolutely brilliant. When compared to competitors, it is perhaps the most impressive vehicle Ford Australia has built from a ride/handling and value perspective.

Good to hear. Unfortunantly, you cant buy a new one now!!!!!!

[MAFIA]

Originally Posted by dimka100

For anyone in the market for a nice SUV you must watch the latest episode of Top Gear!!! (download it ...)

The review of the latest aluminium Range Rover is simply stunning, makes you wanna sell your balls and kidneys ...

Screw that as every soccer mummy driving them!!! Thunder, place you order for one of these muscle!! Simply stunning 2014 SRT Jeep Grand Cherokee. You won't be disappointed, just ask Grunter!

http://www.drivesrt.com/2014/grand-cherokee-srt/

[Mercury 8]

This whole soccer mum thing gets up my goat. We have a Territory and an Escape as well as a Focus and I or my missus ain't soccer mums. Just because we choose to buy new cars that suit our needs at the moment is no reason to be painted with the soccer mum brush. We do live in the city but come from the country and get out there a bit as well as towing boats and jet ski so how does that make us a soccer mum. Sorry but a sedan just doesn't cut it for us at this point in time.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Nikked

I woudn't say its costs nothing to add a new colour...

Really?? Just add a few of the falcon colours. The paint is ready in the factory!! Even if they were 100% built only to customer order. Just a suggestion

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by greenfoam

10% of Fords problems have been a shift in the market, 90% is simply from being too far removed from the public. They have noooooooooo idea what the public want. 90% of it is 100% their own mismanagement.

The last person at Ford who knew what people wanted was the late Geoff Polities. His many years working in the selling game made him very knowledgable. Hence why Ford Australia bloomed during his reign.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by MAFIA

Screw that as every soccer mummy driving them!!! Thunder, place you order for one of these muscle!! Simply stunning 2014 SRT Jeep Grand Cherokee. You won't be disappointed, just ask Grunter!

http://www.drivesrt.com/2014/grand-cherokee-srt/

Im not buying another Jeep. Once bitten by a lemon, twice shy!

Dont understand how parts can take 3 to 6 months to arrive through dealer warranty claims, yet one click online, deliver in 7 to 14 days! And they suck! Lol

[greenfoam]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Really?? Just add a few of the falcon colours. The paint is ready in the factory!! Even if they were 100% built only to customer order. Just a suggestion

That new green on the Falcon is niiiiiiiiice by the way. I bet a Territory would look stunning in that green.

[big_landau]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Im not buying another Jeep. Once bitten by a lemon, twice shy!

Dont understand how parts can take 3 to 6 months to arrive through dealer warranty claims, yet one click online, deliver in 7 to 14 days! And they suck! Lol

i feel the same way about landcruisers,check out the site "oh what a lemon"

[Stefan]

The F6X offering was dismal for the $$$ and it's fate was sealed as a failure when released.

It needed an aggressive body kit, flares and big wheels at the very minimum, it got none of that..... Basically it needed to be in your face.

[fanboi]

Go buy a disco 4 v8

[mik]

another option you could always buy a new terri and send it to one of the tuners to get a blower or turbo fitted, i`m sure you could find one that would do the job and supply with a warranty as well.

[Chrisosicko]

A gt territory? I'd buy one tomorrow in mars red thank you very Much!

[GK]

I take offence to the whole "soccer mum" term.

For goodness sake, this is Australia! Surely the terms "Footy mum" or "Cricket mum" or "Netball mum" would better suit. LOL!

GK

[bigsta]

Yeah its a bit silly how ford do things, they are about 90% there and knock on 2m before the line.

You think at the very least they would do a FPV version of the terry, strait up the AFP and police will buy them who are still hanging on to their 6 year old turbo terrys.

Surely the marketing alone from it would get more trickle down sales and pay for the program by itself.

They need to take a leaf out of holdens book, the VF commodore winning Daytona was a stroke of genius and now all the kids in the US will rip the chevy and Pontiac badges off and put a holden one on.

[UberKnee]

Yeah end of the day the Territory is more specifically than a falcon a mum and dad family car. Colour selection doesn't need to be huge for that market. They had performance variants but sold bugger all, there's do point keeping something that doesn't sell around just for the one or two people that do buy it. Same reason Ford didn't bother sourcing a motor for an XR8 once they put together the Coyote.

[Thunder]

The more i think about it........the more confused i get about Ford Australia.

What i dont understand is Ford have stated (and the sales figures are the facts) that the SUV segment is more important than Falcon. So why is Ford blitzing us with awesomely crazy combinations with FPV vehicles based on a sedan that has annual decline AND YET their stronger seller has no performance variation??????? Does not make any sence.

Compare the two varients and their respective sales and tell me how it makes sence for:

FALCON
XT, XR6, XR6T, G6, G6E, G6ET, GS, GT, GTP, GTE, F6, F6E with 7 different engines between them.

TERRITORY: TX, TS, Titanium with 2 different engines and 2 different drivetrains.

As others have said, previous Turbo Territory was good, but the FPV F6X was a flop. Most people could not tell the difference between the two.

Considering the fact that a majority of the Territory's parts are Falcon.........dont know why i cant buy one.

[Smoke Pursuit]

I agree... The F6X was a poor test pilot, doomed the day it was released simply because of price alone. I think the should have kept one performance variant territory, based on the XR6 turbo, sports trim, front bumper, 19 inch rims and a few other bits with the option of luxury pack.

[vztrt]

Thunder if you want more features then wait for the update next year. Unfortunately engine choices wont change (in terms of a hipo version).

At the end of the day the TT didn't sell enough. Diesel is volume seller in base and titanium models (funny enough TS is a bit of a fizzer) so that were the money is for Ford.

[mik]

i suspect probably the biggest killer for turbo terri petrol would have been fuel consumption , no doubt it would still be rapid, but there`s no getting away you have extra weight, and you if you use the horses it will use the fuel accordingly.

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by Thunder

And this is the issue: Dealers are saying the same thing. From the conversation with my dealer, i get the feeling that the dealer network are just waiting for Ford Aus to be a "take it or leave it" seller of import only models. Was advised that currently they get more request for things they dont have than cars they sell.

Sad.

To be fair Ford global do have some pretty bad *** cars. Who wouldn't want to be able to buy a Mustang or a F-Truck for their real prices, not the current bent over and *** reamed import price

Originally Posted by Mercury 8

This whole soccer mum thing gets up my goat. We have a Territory and an Escape as well as a Focus and I or my missus ain't soccer mums. Just because we choose to buy new cars that suit our needs at the moment is no reason to be painted with the soccer mum brush. We do live in the city but come from the country and get out there a bit as well as towing boats and jet ski so how does that make us a soccer mum. Sorry but a sedan just doesn't cut it for us at this point in time.

Its because SUVs are designed for soccer moms, their a nice big family wagon. Soccer moms are the largest part of the SUV market.

[csv8]

I know I will be flamed but the Titanium should have as standard, side steps, electric tailgate, electric passengers seat, radar cruise control, etc etc its in the Focus/Mondeo so why not in Titanium. The Titanium isn't really a luxury SUV but it should be...

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by mik

i suspect probably the biggest killer for turbo terri petrol would have been fuel consumption , no doubt it would still be rapid, but there`s no getting away you have extra weight, and you if you use the horses it will use the fuel accordingly.

I think an fg xr6t donk in territory in normal driving would get better economy from simply needing a whole lot less throttle tha n/a 4.0. BA spec donk in previous turbo territory no, but fg spec turbo donk i reckon win in every area.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Thunder if you want more features then wait for the update next year. Unfortunately engine choices wont change (in terms of a hipo version).

At the end of the day the TT didn't sell enough. Diesel is volume seller in base and titanium models (funny enough TS is a bit of a fizzer) so that were the money is for Ford.

I cant wait, and to be honest, if i buy something else, i know me well, it will be a worthy alternative to keep me away from Ford for a long while.

[Eaturbo]

If you really want it bad enough than buy a new petrol titanium rwd and drop in a new xr6 turbo motor. would not be that dear and with all new parts would remain as reliable as any new car. Ford will still honour warranty on everthing else but the drive train which is pretty solid anyway. The rwd and FG Motor will ensure better than SY 4x4 Turbo fuel economy any you will have a truely unique car. Just make it happen.

[Agile]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Not all territorys are shopping rigs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvrqRNeNWyw