SA: dangerous driving on private property

[Trump]

^ Needs more pitchforks...

[rancidpunx]

People power is where the real power resides. We just don't realise it and its to much like hard work.

[Trump]

^ The powers-that-be count on the masses being oblivious to the fact above.

[gtxb67]

so if i am driving on my private property like an absolute idiot
my wife is in the car and pleading with me to be sensible, but i choose not to listen
and either through driver error or mechanical failure, maybe just because my paddock bomb is not up to a safe standard, i crash and kill her

should i just walk free

[Trump]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

so if i am driving on my private property like an absolute idiot
my wife is in the car and pleading with me to be sensible, but i choose not to listen
and either through driver error or mechanical failure, maybe just because my paddock bomb is not up to a safe standard, i crash and kill her

should i just walk free

Your own conscience will imprison you for life should that happen. And its a worse prison than one with physical bars.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Your own conscience will imprison you for life should that happen. And its a worse prison than one with physical bars.

so i should walk free then

i do agree that for most people the mental anguish would be worse than jail - but that isn't the point

we all hear about how people should be responsible for their actions, but that only seems to be for the victims that don't survive
the people who cause the heart ache don't seem to be taking any responsibility for their actions

[flappist]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

so if i am driving on my private property like an absolute idiot
my wife is in the car and pleading with me to be sensible, but i choose not to listen
and either through driver error or mechanical failure, maybe just because my paddock bomb is not up to a safe standard, i crash and kill her

should i just walk free

Did you force your wife to get in the car or did she volunteer?

Will this punishment bring your wife back to life?

Maybe we should just shoot you right now just in case you do this one day.........

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by flappist

Did you force your wife to get in the car or did she volunteer?

not sure what the relevance is - if she climbed in the car expecting it to be driven in a safe manner, then she is not to blame for volunteering to get in

Originally Posted by flappist

Will this punishment bring your wife back to life?

of course it won't - but does that give me a free license to be a total moron and take her life
13 and 3 days ago, some idiot pushed my mate into a pole. i didn't care what sentence he got - be it nothing, 15 minutes, 15 days, 15 months (which he got) or 15 years - i personally did not care, because no sentence could undo what happened, but shouldn't there be consequences for dangerous acts

Originally Posted by flappist

Maybe we should just shoot you right now just in case you do this one day.........

maybe we should just let everyone do what they want - after all it is everyone else that needs to be responsible, not the person doing it
let them carry loaded guns around, if some one gets shot that is their fault
let them do what they want in cars, if some one gets killed or maimed, that is their fault too
maybe i can just swing my butterfly swords around in a busy shopping centre - it sure as hell won't be my fault if someone is dumb enough to walk into them. after all they did volunteer to walk into the shopping centre

[Pedro]

Oh my God! A wayward lorikeet flew through my garage today and slammed into the back window, breaking it's neck and killing itself.
I'm now fearful of being charged with callous disregard for not leaving the window open and spending years in jail for my obvious lack of responsibility towards community safety.
I'm pleading no case to answer cos the Gummit didn't tell me to leave the window open.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

Where do they draw the line between protection and govt meddling? don't forget race tracks are private property.

So if I run over you in a shopping centre carpark, I should get off scot free?
What about other crimes committed on private property?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

So if I run over you in a shopping centre carpark, I should get off scot free?
What about other crimes committed on private property?

Shopping centre car parks are covered by the road rules in the same way that private roads, bridges or tunnels that are open to public access are.

[GTP-RPD]

Some people here are missing the point all together. This is about erosion of our rights. Well the very limited rights that we do have and believe me we don't have that many. Causing death is causing death and whether it is in your back yard in the sky under the ocean or on the golf course it is investigated regardless. And there are always consequences for your actions take a look at just how much power the police have over you.

[FGII-XR6]

I would be a good Idea if you actually read the associated article instead of posting based on assumptions born out of emotion.
there was a death and the driver got off because it was on private property. this is about closing a loophole that currently exists

Originally Posted by GTP-RPD

Some people here are missing the point all together. This is about erosion of our rights. Well the very limited rights that we do have and believe me we don't have that many. Causing death is causing death and whether it is in your back yard in the sky under the ocean or on the golf course it is investigated regardless. And there are always consequences for your actions take a look at just how much power the police have over you.

[GTP-RPD]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

I would be a good Idea if you actually read the associated article instead of posting based on assumptions born out of emotion.
there was a death and the driver got off because it was on private property. this is about closing a loophole that currently exists

I have read the story.

Do you have a transcript of the case and the courts finding? I dont.

So no assumptions and no emotions with me sport just a concerned citizen over the potential for big brother to tell me, you and everyone else what you can and cant do within reason of course.

Again there are laws in place to cover this sort of thing, well here in SA anyway.

[Kevxr8Leexr6]

Thought we already had an agency covering primary producers from 5 acres up. workcover investigate accidents already whether it be any accidents on a working property. as it is deemed a worksite.

[jonesyedxr6]

..next i'll have to register all my farm bombs. Something tells me the old rally girl monty (xf fairmont) wont pass a safety inspection!

[opto]

The law is typically a broad based law, similar to the so called " Bikie Laws" where in the bikie laws DO NOT STATE it applys to bikies, It applies to groups of people.

The Dangerous Driving law on private property DOES NOT STATE Dangerous driving causing injury/Damage or death.

So in this case, the Government /SAPOL could utilise this law in a multitude of ways to not only enter private property without consent and accuse any driver of "Dangerous driving", whatever that classifies.

As others have stated, this is an invasion of Privacy by the government, Without a Bill of Rights, which the government will never give the people, we will no longer have privacy, and this will become a starting point where a decay of Privacy and Rights will continue. As far as I am Concerned, the only way to get access to the Constitution to "Combine a Bill of Rights is by what is called a Citizens Initiated Referendum to make changes to the Constitution. But the government will never allow this. Never consider yourself FREE, because the government controls your rights.