What were the main reasons you jumped ship to a Holden ?

[1TUFFUTE]

[QUOTE= this is not a witch-hunt to ferret out all the defectors, just want to see why people left.[/QUOTE]

Yes it is...beware

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

I thought the holdens actually have a higher payload?

No mate....They've been 600kg since VT i'm pretty sure....Bloody useless for a tradie!

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Yes it is...beware

There's a few mate, but I think they're too scared to stick their hand up in this thread

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I'm still wondering where's the evidence that "quite a few" have jumped ship.

Ditto above comment.

Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

Highly unlikely to jump ship to Holden, had enough of them in the past and beenhugely unimpressed, and sure some models look better than their equivalent Ford models. But I will more than likely jump to BMW, no way I will go backwards from Ford to Holden, but Ford no longer will provide a 4 door serious sports sedan in rwd. So the next logical step is the car company understands the value of the I6 and rwd 4 door sports sedans! The ones all sports sedans are measured against.

I'm with you mate. I'd like to get an M5 next time I change if I can get clearance from the dragon. But from a technical perspective i take my hat off to HSV for their GTS. Reliabiliy of either of these models is a concern though, probably better the devil you know, so too speak.

Originally Posted by Auslandau

...... asking people on a Ford Forum why they bought their Holdens.

There's one or two still lurking on here but maybe not brave enough and worried this is a witch-hunt

[GTP534]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

...... asking people on a Ford Forum why they bought their Holdens.

Oh, ........ I see.

I never really thought of it like that; I was just taking it at face value and enjoying the read.

[Rodge]

^^ Yeah I got a special extra shipment of popcorn in for this thread, I guess they've defected to www.lsi.com.au

[PHawk]

Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Did you have many problems with it, though? And, off topic: Did you find the seating position any better than in the FG? I've felt they're both about the same, height-wise. This is speaking of normal Commodores, though (SV6, SSV)

No Mate, I had zero probs with it, and it did go fairly well but nothing compared to forced induction as you would expect, the seating position was fairly low compared to the FG, I finally traded it for the SC GT, as soon as I got into a GT again I felt much more at home, the FG suit's my height just right.

[b2428]

Originally Posted by GTP534

Oh, ........ I see.

I never really thought of it like that; I was just taking it at face value and enjoying the read.

I depends on how you wanna take the thread I guess. Some will see it as a why you on a Ford forum then exercise. Others will see it as a way of sharing there experiences. I personally have always said you choose a car that suits your needs at the time. So see it as a face value sharing thing. Each to their own.

Hope that made sense haha

[Mr Brooksy]

Originally Posted by Rodge

I'm with you mate. I'd like to get an M5 next time I change if I can get clearance from the dragon. But from a technical perspective i take my hat off to HSV for their GTS. Reliabiliy of either of these models is a concern though, probably better the devil you know, so too speak.

I still find it incomprehensible that Ford won't offer 4 doors, 5 seats and rwd. There's just no way a family man with the Need for Speed can use a Mustang and put a few kids in the back for a 1000km holiday.

An M5 would be awesome! Still nice and big for the family, with serious grunt as well as tech that will satisfy my inner nerd. My only concern with it will be all the security stuff. I've heard some crazy stories of it being shut down remotely for no reasons at all. But I'm sure there are ways and means to disable this stuff.

[stevz]

Originally Posted by Rodge

There's a few mate, but I think they're too scared to stick their hand up in this thread



Ditto above comment.


I'm with you mate. I'd like to get an M5 next time I change if I can get clearance from the dragon. But from a technical perspective i take my hat off to HSV for their GTS. Reliabiliy of either of these models is a concern though, probably better the devil you know, so too speak.


There's one or two still lurking on here but maybe not brave enough and worried this is a witch-hunt

BMW's are hardly the pinnacle of reliability despite what some may think, and when things go wrong out of warranty you will need a bank loan for parts and repairs.

Judging the reliability of the VF based on prior models is somewhat silly and narrow minded. If I apply the same logic it would mean that the FG is a poorly built, unreliable piece of crap because the EA was, or because the BA had quality issues.
VE's are maligned by many here yet mine and several others I know of haven't had as much as a blown globe. That's the problem with forums, you only hear the bad and not the good.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by EF_6

No mate....They've been 600kg since VT i'm pretty sure....Bloody useless for a tradie!

If you compare like for like,
Xr6 for sv6 I think the holden is 100kgs higher payload

Its when you go the 1 tonner option the falcon has the advantage

[BENSFPV]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

Sorry, but if i did jump ship it would never be to a holden..i am not a hypocrite...there are plenty of great FORDS out there that i could buy and drive..

Yes, but how many V8 Ford utes come FH ?

[BENSFPV]

Originally Posted by EF_6

Why do people buy the Holden utes when the load capacity is only 600kg and they have no space behind the seats to fit anything....

Fords utes win in both these areas...

Because they want a V8 ute for work with updated tech and great value, with a little carrying space . Not a slow 10 sec to 100 lane hogging piece of crap that's saves petrol. "Move out of my way" , is what I'm saying all the time. That's for families. Some of us buy utes V8 utes because of performance and they sound great with a good exhaust.

[wicksy]

I'm looking a VE SS Wagon or even a Clubby wagon , i love wagons and i love V8s, goes hand in hand, id love a ford wagon, but by god they are just boring

[Express]

My ship sails into all ports, I never limit my opportunities in life to anything including cars.

Holden is on my list of desirable cars because it offers a V8 at a reasonable value but it is nowhere near the top of that list. And like all cars regardless of the manufacturer, it has its pros and cons.

For me this thread would have been more interesting if it included all makes and was not just a fishing expedition for Holden lovers which will only rehash the same old comments thrown up in all the threads where Holden is mentioned.

There are members here that don’t currently drive a Ford and many more that own other models as a second car.

I’d be interested in knowing what Ford Forum members look for in a car in general compared to the many everyday moms and dads drivers who purchase the bulk of vehicles and whether Ford fills all their needs and why they buy other brands as a part of those needs.

Whether it’s because of price, equipment, lifestyle, family, reliability, performance, strength, AWD, safety, looks or whatever. Why did you choose something that wasn’t a Ford.

Do members also buy old school outside of the Ford badge?



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[fordomatic]

I went from a BA XR8 to a VY clubsport and then to my current FG XR6T.

I have to say the VY Clubsport is still the best car i have ever owned. It gave me total trouble free motoring and when modded it was no slouch. It was so much cheaper to mod than the BA XR8 and i got more power out of it. Value for money i could just not go past it. I sold the XR8 for 20 and paid 18 for the clubsport, bothe cars were 2004 models, the bloke i bought it off pretty much gave it away.

I still miss that car today, i jumped ship because i got myself into a much better car than the XR8 for 2 grand less. Would i buy another holden? Absolutely.

The XR6T has just made me realise im a V8 man, and the LS for what it is is a great engine. I wont be able to stretch to a blown ford for my next car and i want a V8, so it will probably be a Holden.

I will always be a Ford man, even when i had the clubsport i used to wear my FPR jacket. I just dont mind driving either make if one doesnt have what i am after.

[chopstar87]

Earlier this year i did jump ship.. not to holden thou (i will probably never own a holden)

I went from my BA XR6 to my 300c Luxury.

The original plan was to go from the BA to a Brand FG/FG2 XR6 Turbo or G6E Turbo. from day 1 of getting the Ba falcon (my second car at age 19) was the next car was to be a Brand new falcon.

But when it came time to upgrade this year, i was wanting a Luxury style vehicle and the G6ET/XR6 with Lux Pack didn't meet my vision of a luxury vehicle and wasn't inspiring enough for me to spend $50k on the G6ET.. it didn't have that special feel to it (interior wise especially) and didn't have the features in my eyes to be a flagship vehicle.

Don't get me wrong... its was still a hard decision to not buy the Falcon, but the 300c had me sold after the 1st drive (i had 1 for a overnight test drive from my local dealership)

saying all this, yes, i went with the 300c over the G6E, but my missus just upgraded cars from her 2006 Rav4 and bought a Brand new Ford Focus Sport... and what a brilliant little car.. and the sad thing is that even it embarrasses the G6ET for Features and Tech. so there is STILL a ford in my garage.

** I know why and the reasons behind why the falcon doesn't have the tech and features and etc of the focus and other vehicles, but that doesn't make it ok for a buyer spending their money on a car ** anyways.. the XR6T is still a great buy for bang for your buck and if speed is what you want.. XR6T is for you!

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Express

My ship sails into all ports, I never limit my opportunities in life to anything including cars.

Excellent quote.

I got a VF SS recently for a number reasons. I'd had a few FGs, in fact since '08 that's all I've really driven. Half a decade of the same, I was keen on something slightly different (although still high powered RWD large sedan- not many options under $100k). That's where Ford fell short. The FGIIs in showrooms at the moment are too similar to the original product launched back in '08. It's worsened by the fact that I've already had a few FGs, so it felt like I was buying the same car yet again. The revised FH model really should have been in showrooms already, six years is a long time between major updates and it's still a long way off (Oct 2014 they tell me). That's what lead me to look at the new VFs. In the back of my head I thought I'd still end up with an FGII G6ET or XR6T, but I swung by Holden and the VF blew me away. The interior really needs to be sat in to be appreciated. A lot of people were blown away by the photos of the interior when they came out, I wasn't, sure it looked pretty but I thought it looked busy. Different story once you sit in it. I cannot praise it enough, it's a very, very nice environment and the driving position is excellent for a tall bloke like me. I love the climate controls- twist knobs with a digital temp in the centre- so much easier than what I've been used to in FG. The materials are high quality, every knob has a nice rubberised feeling, almost everything is finished with a small splash of chrome- it looks the part. After walking into the Holden dealer with mixed thoughts, as soon as I sat in the SS I said to myself there's no way I'm getting another F series Falcon. The entire package is superior. The interior is leaps and bounds ahead, the technology is excellent. Stuff like blind zone alert is actually handy, so is front park sonar, rear park sonar also picks up gutters (something my FG struggled with) and visually pinpoints the obstacle on the reverse camera, the electronic handbrake is nifty, voice control for choosing songs, albums, playlists or controlling the phone saves a hassle on the move, remote start is handy in the morning to let the car warm up while climate control heats up the cabin, the auto park is a gimmick and doesn't work (not that I would trust it anyway, I only tried it out for ****s and giggles). The interior fit and finish is outstanding. I particularly like how the door handles and interior storage pockets are subtly illuminated at night, saves fumbling around. The steering wheel controls are also illuminated. All 4 windows are auto up/down (FGII still makes do with drivers window auto down only). The standard features go well beyond what Ford is offering with FGII. The seats are fabulous. Stock vs stock it's a much better handling car than the Falcon now. It also stops better. The electric steering actually isn't horrible, it's quite polished in fact, super light at low speeds to manoeuvre, really firm once you start tackling some corners. The car turns in much nicer than the Falcon (aluminium bonnet would help a bit, plus the shorter overhangs of the VE platform in general and the fact that the battery is in the boot). I looked at the SS, SSV and Redline. For me personally I thought the SSV lost points inside, it used satin silver highlights as opposed to piano black in the SS, its fake carbon fibre main dash spear was matte instead of gloss like the SS and wasn't as nice to my eye, I also couldn't option the SSV with the SS seats- you can only get the full leather as opposed to the leather (sportec) and suede combo that comes standard in the SS which I liked a lot (not a big fan of leather myself, too slippery and gets hot/cold). Redline was super nice but there's at least a 3 month wait. So I settled with the SS. It's got a few hundred kays on it now and I'm super impressed so far. I'm hoping Ford lifts their game with FH, I've never really wanted to buy a Holden but there was no way I was going to buy a Ford simply because it's a Ford. The VF was just too good.

Seems I've typed more than I intended to But that's my story.

[grandpa_spec_F6]

I sat in a VF SS Redline ute the other day, it reminded me why I don't like the seats in the F6. Man I wish I could get some GTP seats for it :(

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[prydey]

Originally Posted by Rodge

Seems there's quite a few who have jumped ship since Ford's announcement back in May.

hmm, i don't see one single person that has jumped ship due to ford's announcement.

[Crazy Dazz]

My daughter wanted to buy an Astra...

I threatened to set fire to it…

Whilst my love of Ford is certainly strained by their betrayal, and I may well never buy another post 2016, my hatred of Holden is undiminished.

By the time new Falcons are no more, the Commode will be some awful FWD ****, so I'm not sure I see the attraction.

[SSD-85]

The only time I jump ship is from one Ford model into another.

[flooded one]

one thing the falcon ute has over the commodore ute. It has a trayback option!! suits me very well. I'll drive that thing into the ground and I still keep it. as for sedans... it remains unseen. I haven't driven the new VF. I like the looks of the commodore range but despise the horrible rear end and grille on the GTS. they might be good cars (VF Commodore). to be honest I am more excited about the upcoming FH!!!

[PepeLePew]

I don't see why a 'defector' would have an issue posting. Far as I can see Adrenaline hasn't been exorcised from the forum in the six hours since be posted.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

I don't see why a 'defector' would have an issue posting. Far as I can see Adrenaline hasn't been exorcised from the forum in the six hours since be posted.

to be fair, i don't think adrenaline made the decision to go to VF due to ford's closure announcement. it was more about the products on offer, which can happen at any time, as product launches are rarely synchronised these days regardless of brand. there will always be times when it becomes hard to stay true to your favourite brand.

[aw0303]

Originally Posted by wicksy

I'm looking a VE SS Wagon or even a Clubby wagon , i love wagons and i love V8s, goes hand in hand, id love a ford wagon, but by god they are just boring

Mate, i have a 09 SSV manual wagon, great car, my missus uses it as her daily running the kids around etc and it doubles at a bit of a toy for me. Had zero issues with it I put a cam,otr,headers and tune made 330 odd rwkw. Not a bad soccer mum car
Cheers.

[wicksy]

Originally Posted by aw0303

Mate, i have a 09 SSV manual wagon, great car, my missus uses it as her daily running the kids around etc and it doubles at a bit of a toy for me. Had zero issues with it I put a cam,otr,headers and tune made 330 odd rwkw. Not a bad soccer mum car
Cheers.

That's it ay that'll be my plan hopefully, the wife loves V8s nearly as much as me

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by prydey

to be fair, i don't think adrenaline made the decision to go to VF due to ford's closure announcement. it was more about the products on offer, which can happen at any time, as product launches are rarely synchronised these days regardless of brand. there will always be times when it becomes hard to stay true to your favourite brand.

Indeed, the closure announcement had nothing to do with it. I'll definitely get an FH when they come out, it wouldn't even worry me if the update is a dud, there's no way I'm missing out on the last Falcon. For now, these two will have to learn to live with each other..

[uniacidz]

I jumped ship.
Mind you, my cars are the older type but its what I had wanted at the time.

The falcons, well they were old and falling apart
ED falcon was good to me, the EL Xr6 just became a nuisance and money pit and glad to see it die. **** me that thing had rattles everywhere.

Looked at falcons v8s (decided to go V8 route after I6's)

Surprisingly at the time, the AUXR8 S3 were expensive but such a bad insurance value yet very high premiums.
Looked at BA to BF series V8s, didnt like em and read up with numerous issues, mostly quality issues and reliability vs power and upgradability lackthereof

I did look down the I6T route, but my heart had always wanted a V8.

Went for current VX SS but mine isnt normal to look at which i liked, good insurance value, lower premium, better upgrades cheaply etc. Can even do a decent mail order tune.

In the last 2 years, its failed me only once and its a daily driver.
Fuel pump died but that was because one of the prior owners installed a 6cyl pump into it and door striker backing plate fell inside rear wheel well due to myself or prior owners using too much force in moving it and made the backing plate loose. Fixed now of course.

Other then that, no issues at all.
No squeaks, no rattles, no dramas, no reliability issues and got it down to 7.9litres per 100kms on the highway

Had to change the radiator recently though as had cracked plastic tanks. It was 11 years old original. Changed the original hoses and regreased pulleys (which are still originals except 1) and changed the belts also for good measure.

Not bad at all.

Im a car lover, I like all cars and respect persons whom do as well.
Whilst i have a preference, im not blinded by red or blue.

[burnz]

well I never jumped ship, I had a foot in each pool.
ford have progressively become less reliable so holden gets the nod.

[GTP534]

Originally Posted by prydey

hmm, i don't see one single person that has jumped ship due to ford's announcement.

Maybe not "due to" but there has been "since".

An entertaining thread but Adrenaline better not let the Enforcer see those 2 together!