More than one in three Holden Commodores sold is fitted with a V8 engine. - Page 2

johnydep · 20-06-2014, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

I've always liked V8's, but times change and we went through different stages. Last year I decided I needed a new ute for the business, went straight to Ford but there was no V8 option. The Turbo did cross my mind, love my turbo's as well.

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I think that people are taking the last opportunity to get a car that's a bit special - V8 Aussie muscle. I reckon Ford would see similar sales figures if they had a V8 option, just look how quick the GT went.

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I reckon theyd also have the same debt figures as holden if they did everything that holden has done.
im a firm believer that if you know your closing down in the near future.....WHY the HELL would you spend up like moneys going out of fashion. extremely bad buissiness form.

problem is with being a 'responsible' company like ford has with winding down.....we now don't have a killer product like the VF.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the last V8 Falcon ute come out in 2010?

**Dave R** · 20-06-2014, 06:24 PM

The only reason Ford didn't build an XR8 beyond 2010 was because the 5.4s weren't emissions compliant. The 315 FPV GS was meant to be the XR8, however at the last minute (I'm talking within months leading up to the 5.0 reveal) Ford changed the plan and launched them as an FPV.

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

the descission ford made.....prevented them from being in twice the DEBT holden is in.......oH BUT WAIT THEY SELL 200 v8s a month

1/3 of sweat f all is still sweet f all mate

You do know that with 1/3 of Commodores sales volume being V8s, Holden sold more V8 Commodores than Ford sold TOTAL Falcons last month, right? There's more margin in V8 models too.

**DJM83** · 20-06-2014, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I reckon theyd also have the same debt figures as holden if they did everything that holden has done.
im a firm believer that if you know your closing down in the near future.....WHY the HELL would you spend up like moneys going out of fashion. extremely bad buissiness form.

problem is with being a 'responsible' company like ford has with winding down.....we now don't have a killer product like the VF.

Might not have a killer product, but for the time being we have 2 brilliant donks in the I6T and the S/C V8 both that can take it to GM's crappy 6 and ho hum V8 (LSA aside) even then it aint far behind.

Flame suit on, aint care.

**Dave R** · 20-06-2014, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Might not have a killer product, but for the time being we have 2 brilliant donks in the I6T and the S/C V8 both that can take it to GM's crappy 6 and ho hum V8 (LSA aside) even then it aint far behind.

Flame suit on, aint care.

This is a Ford forum, you're safe.

In reality though...

V6

V8

stevefreestyle · 20-06-2014, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

I've always liked V8's, but times change and we went through different stages. Last year I decided I needed a new ute for the business, went straight to Ford but there was no V8 option. The Turbo did cross my mind, love my turbo's as well.

In the end my heart was set on the V8 but I didn't like the VE. then the VF came out, went for a test drive and the rest is history.

I'm trying to talk my wife into trading in the Honda Euro for a VF SS-V sedan.

I think that people are taking the last opportunity to get a car that's a bit special - V8 Aussie muscle. I reckon Ford would see similar sales figures if they had a V8 option, just look how quick the GT went.

Why dont you wait a couple of months for the new XR8 ????

Hopefully it will be around the same pricepoint with the GT 335 Kw (actually 330 RW-KW) engine.

flooded one · 20-06-2014, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

Every auto is crap IMO

Don't give me none of this ZF6 BS either.

most automatics usually are, thou in saying that I don't mind the one in my AU ute. thou I feel it holds first a bit to long when under heavy load but other then that she's not to bad, out on the highway its got good response and knows what gear to go into if I have to overtake etc, as for the ZF, I was very impressed by the FG XR6 I hired awhile back!! abit of luck one day I might get lucky to try a manual FG XR6 to compare!! I know the ZFs are quicker in a straight line off the mark etc but I want to see what the manuals are like when having to pass a road train etc to see how much difference there really is between the two

MITCHAY · 20-06-2014, 11:54 PM

Do people honestly think the V6 is so bad that they would fork out the extra up front cost and pay the extra fuel and rego and insurance to jump in to a V8? Somehow I doubt it. I just think they want a V8.

Having driven both in VE guise I'd obviously prefer the V8 but the V6 has plenty enough go. Not as good as the Ford NA I6 but good enough.

Crazy Dazz · 21-06-2014, 12:36 AM

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More than one in three Holden Commodores sold is fitted with a VB engine.

1TUFFUTE · 21-06-2014, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

You do know that with 1/3 of Commodores sales volume being V8s, Holden sold more V8 Commodores than Ford sold TOTAL Falcons last month, right? There's more margin in V8 models too.

Yeah and that helped them go hundreds of millions in debt, so like I said......just because something looks good......doesn't mean the big picture is good at all. In holdens case it's actually far worse.
Holden has a massive debt and yet ford is still giving us reasonably great options to buy.....as mentioned above!

1TUFFUTE · 21-06-2014, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the last V8 Falcon ute come out in 2010?

(From memory the falcon ute won pcoty in 2009ish too)
Probably.......but yes, just another SMART descision by ford.....as there weren't enough buying it to warrant further development......just like fairlaine, and the falcon wagons! All done slowly over the years at appropriate times!

Like I've said so many times, ford has made the hard descision at the right time over the years......they could see what was coming. The end result is half the mess that Holden will be left with at shut down time!

I swear this isn't a ford forum sometimes

Crazy Dazz · 21-06-2014, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

the GT 335 Kw (actually 330 RW-KW) engine.

ENGINES aren't measured at the rear wheels, cars are.

mcnews · 21-06-2014, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

The 6.0 is quite economical, I'm getting better mileage than my Territory and I don't nurse it for economy like I did with he Terri.

Around town I'm averaging 14L/100km, driving without economy in mind and listening to that wonderful V8 sound

I have had it much lower, but that sound ....

On the highway it is fantastic; drove Adelaide to Melbourne on one 71L tank with fuel to spare in Melbourne, and I didn't spare the horses when overtaking.

Cylinder deactivation really works.

Mate Ford's supercharged v8 gets that sort of economy.

**Dave R** · 21-06-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

(From memory the falcon ute won pcoty in 2009ish too)
Probably.......but yes, just another SMART descision by ford.....as there weren't enough buying it to warrant further development......just like fairlaine, and the falcon wagons! All done slowly over the years at appropriate times!

Like I've said so many times, ford has made the hard descision at the right time over the years......they could see what was coming. The end result is half the mess that Holden will be left with at shut down time!

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Yeah and that helped them go hundreds of millions in debt, so like I said......just because something looks good......doesn't mean the big picture is good at all. In holdens case it's actually far worse.
Holden has a massive debt and yet ford is still giving us reasonably great options to buy.....as mentioned above!

Ford do have an XR8 ute, it's called the FPV GS. I have internal documentation from months prior to the Miami release where it was still referred to as an XR8. And wow man you really know how to spin it in Ford's favour. But that's fine, you're a huge fan and you speak from your heart, even if it's a bit biased. Just understand that those of us with accounting/finance degrees & MBAs who've been watching the situation develop for the last 10 years appreciate the full picture, not just the one where Ford are masters of the universe.

Franco Cozzo · 21-06-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Might not have a killer product, but for the time being we have 2 brilliant donks in the I6T and the S/C V8 both that can take it to GM's crappy 6 and ho hum V8 (LSA aside) even then it aint far behind.

Flame suit on, aint care.

Those V8 engines though do some respectable power output with cam, OTR and tune though.

flooded one · 21-06-2014, 02:12 PM

I just hope the FH XR8 will be reasonably priced. if it is, it should be able to take a few sales away from the SS

**DJM83** · 21-06-2014, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

Those V8 engines though do some respectable power output with cam, OTR and tune though.

They do for sure, as does the S/C V8 with some mods and well we all know what the XR6T is capable of with some mods.

As for the reviews posted earlier i couldnt care for them. Nor am i interested in an N/A XR6 or SV6. Also no way id pick a GM V8 over an XR6T, not even because its a GM either.

1TUFFUTE · 21-06-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Ford do have an XR8 ute, it's called the FPV GS. I have internal documentation from months prior to the Miami release where it was still referred to as an XR8. And wow man you really know how to spin it in Ford's favour. But that's fine, you're a huge fan and you speak from your heart, even if it's a bit biased. Just understand that those of us with accounting/finance degrees & MBAs who've been watching the situation develop for the last 10 years appreciate the full picture, not just the one where Ford are masters of the universe.

Ok so although I'm passionate about ford(sue me

)........I'd love to hear your superior wisdom gained thru your finance degree and your MBA! Holden has received 1.8 billion in govco help........ford 1.1billion, in the last 12 years. Over that Time Holden is down 1.35billion and ford 1 billion.
Holden lost 600 million last year, ford 300million. Both companies knew they were at 20 year sales lows. And yet Holden goes on a spending spree, and ford starts winding down models and spending structures.

And yet Holden sells twice the cars ford do

but twice the debt!!!

Let's not forget Holden tried blackmailing govco for 300mill a year for the next 8 years. Plus they lied and screwed over their employees. Amoung other things.(edit; oh and these are facts, not just my biased opinion)

I know this is a ford forum but I'd love to hear it from your diehard Holden brain how any of that leaves Holden looking all rosy?
As far as I'm concerned, and from what I've been seeing from Holden over the years......they copy the extremely flawed buissiness model of GM. And we know how that's worked out for them.....and it's happening all over again aswell!

BHDOGS · 21-06-2014, 03:48 PM

nobodys wants there ****** v6 thats why nobody has and nobody ever will its a waste of space an under powered piece of **** that was **** out of holdens spew hatch by the same awful company the sooner its gone the better

1TUFFUTE · 21-06-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BHDOGS

nobodys wants there ****** v6 thats why nobody has and nobody ever will its a waste of space an under powered piece of **** that was **** out of holdens spew hatch by the same awful company the sooner its gone the better

I don't own one but my brothers company bunnings commadore wagons are wheezy, bad on fuel and falling apart. They are 100% off the list next. (They obviously get used a bit harder then most private owners tho)

flooded one · 21-06-2014, 04:09 PM

the sportswagon reminds me of a commodore hatchback!! there pretty impractical compared to the previous models wagonss

**Dave R** · 21-06-2014, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

As for the reviews posted earlier i couldnt care for them. Nor am i interested in an N/A XR6 or SV6. Also no way id pick a GM V8 over an XR6T, not even because its a GM either.

I thought you ST guys looked beyond the engine?

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Ok so although I'm passionate about ford(sue me

)........I'd love to hear your superior wisdom gained thru your finance degree and your MBA! Holden has received 1.8 billion in govco help........ford 1.1billion, in the last 12 years. Over that Time Holden is down 1.35billion and ford 1 billion.
Holden lost 600 million last year, ford 300million. Both companies knew they were at 20 year sales lows. And yet Holden goes on a spending spree, and ford starts winding down models and spending structures.

And yet Holden sells twice the cars ford do

but twice the debt!!!

Let's not forget Holden tried blackmailing govco for 300mill a year for the next 8 years. Plus they lied and screwed over their employees. Amoung other things.(edit; oh and these are facts, not just my biased opinion)

I know this is a ford forum but I'd love to hear it from your diehard Holden brain how any of that leaves Holden looking all rosy?
As far as I'm concerned, and from what I've been seeing from Holden over the years......they copy the extremely flawed buissiness model of GM. And we know how that's worked out for them.....and it's happening all over again aswell!

It's all good, I'm not going to bother arguing

Ducati888 · 21-06-2014, 04:28 PM

Who gives a damn about each company's debt? How does that translate to the popularity and quality of the cars? It has no impact on the consumer, so why is it even relevant?

1TUFFUTE · 21-06-2014, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducati888

Who gives a damn about each company's debt? How does that translate to the popularity and quality of the cars? It has no impact on the consumer, so why is it even relevant?

Pretty easily......people complain that ford doesn't offer this or that.....but like I posted above in response to "adrenaline" there are very good reasons, smart reasons why ford doesn't offer every model under the sun. The market has shrunk, the local branches are inevitably closing down......so spending big dollars on low volume products that will never live long enough....or sell enough to pay for themselves is clearly bad form.
So yes there is plenty of impact on the consumer! Ever wonder where your taxes go? Holden wanted..on top of the 1.8billion from the last 10 years....another 300k a year for 8 years. And that would still leave them 50million a year behind the 8ball.
I wondering if this is sinking in?

1TUFFUTE · 21-06-2014, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I thought you ST guys looked beyond the engine?

It's all good, I'm not going to bother arguing

So your one of those comedians who like to talk big but can't take it! Wow

**DJM83** · 21-06-2014, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I thought you ST guys looked beyond the engine?

It's all good, I'm not going to bother arguing

Yeah i do, nothing about an N/A XR6 nor SV6 appeals to me, interior or otherwise.

But i agree im not one for arguing either.

**Dave R** · 21-06-2014, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

So your one of those comedians who like to talk big but can't take it! Wow

From what you wrote in response to me, it's clear you've never opened an accounting textbook in your life. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, I feel dumber just replying to you. Can you just stop it?

BHDOGS · 21-06-2014, 04:56 PM

lmao adrenalin the new standard in double standards

**Dave R** · 21-06-2014, 04:58 PM

I had to select "view post" because you were already on my ignore list. Seems nothing has changed.

zilo · 21-06-2014, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I had to select "view post" because you were already on my ignore list. Seems nothing has changed.

Some threads about half the posts look like that to me too

ford man xf · 21-06-2014, 05:18 PM

When Ford Australia dropped the V8 option in the Falcon it didn't effect sales one would think considering the sucess of the XF. When they brought it back with the EB sales were still strong.
Having optional engines does not affect sales, Ford Australia have always offered engine options to cater for all needs, even now you have available a 4 cylinder, 6 cylinder petrol NA, 6 cylinder petrol turbo charged, 6 cylinder LPG NA and a 5.0 supercharged available in 2 output versions which sit in a world class car and sales have slumped massively, most likely because we are now so spoilt for choice with so many imports available.