Holden to build world fastest ute.

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by Patty

Are you serious? An F6 from factory is making 310kw at the engine, this VF Maloo GTS is making 430kw. Even if you are an amazing driver and put a hack in the Maloo and had a drag race you still would get beaten. I'm a Ford man and prefer the look of the FPV's over the HSV's but come on man you've got to be joking if you reckon any ute from FPV's stable would beat this.

F6 are not 310 kw at the engine. 370

Still he would get beaten

[Ducati888]

HSV are not closing down when Holden does. They will be importing Camaros, Corvettes, and doing work on the Holden import models.

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by Ducati888

HSV are not closing down when Holden does. They will be importing Camaros, Corvettes, and doing work on the Holden import models.

So they're gonna put hsv badges on Camaro's and Corvette's ?

Cringeworthy

[Patty]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

F6 are not 310 kw at the engine. 370

Still he would get beaten

Where did you get 370 from?

[Elks]

Can someone just switch of the limiter on an XR Turbo and give them a run for their money

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by Patty

Where did you get 370 from?

That's what most guys get on the dyno

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by P6LTD351

Yes, the 'bad' times of the 80s...when Ford were number 1.

Not for performance car buyers. 80's was dark days, full off asthmatic 6 cylinder S pak falcons and cheap imitation 12 slotters. Meanwhile the general was churning out VH GRP 3 HDT hottie's followed by VK blue meanie and VL And walkinshaw products.

Yes those were dark dark bad days......

[FPV8U]

Well done HSV, nice way to go out with a bang.

[Patty]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

That's what most guys get on the dyno

I've heard the same thing with the VF GTS, most guys are getting more than the 430kw quoted from HSV. Goes both ways. Either way, no way a stock F6 will keep a GTS on it's toes. I just think it's stupid and cocky for someone to say that.

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by Patty

I've heard the same thing with the VF GTS, most guys are getting more than the 430kw quoted from HSV. Goes both ways. Either way, no way a stock F6 will keep a GTS on it's toes. I just think it's stupid and cocky for someone to say that.

No they aren't

It's well known that ford and fpv claimed power outputs are much lower than what they really are. The FG I6T is not 270kw, the F6 motor is not 310 and the GT Coyote is not 335kw. They're all significantly higher than what is claimed

HSV always put a higher number on their cars and so far most have been under 430kw or close to it.

[G6T]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Not for performance car buyers. 80's was dark days, full off asthmatic 6 cylinder S pak falcons and cheap imitation 12 slotters. Meanwhile the general was churning out VH GRP 3 HDT hottie's followed by VK blue meanie and VL And walkinshaw products.

Yes those were dark dark bad days......

don't forget the djr grand prix turbo 6.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by G6T

don't forget the djr grand prix turbo 6.

Yeh - but that was AVO / DJR third party stuff. No involvement from Ford. In fact FORD ran for the hills when DJR approached them to go partners in a Skunkworks set up - to try and rival HDT. They were worried they couldnt offer a warranty on the product so just ignored it.

Best you could hope for back in the 80's was an EFI powered XE 4.1 with a 4 speed. ( aside from the V8 powered ESP models - which had beautiful interiors - but had poxy lacklustre pollution choked performance )

[graphicgoose]

Originally Posted by Patty

I've heard the same thing with the VF GTS, most guys are getting more than the 430kw quoted from HSV. Goes both ways. Either way, no way a stock F6 will keep a GTS on it's toes. I just think it's stupid and cocky for someone to say that.

Not even dude! Have you read the most recent dyno and drag comparisons between the GTS and GTF? Bugger all in it down the quarter and the GTF has a higher dyno output, at around 340rwkw. F6's have consistently shown to put out around 310rwkw. We know from customers cars on this forum that to run similar quarter mile times the F6 requires around 50-70rwkw less than the supercharged V8 as a result of the torque of the turbo 6. Sooooo I reckon the F6 would have a shot at the GTS if it had the 275's on the rear like the GTF.

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Not for performance car buyers. 80's was dark days, full off asthmatic 6 cylinder S pak falcons and cheap imitation 12 slotters. Meanwhile the general was churning out VH GRP 3 HDT hottie's followed by VK blue meanie and VL And walkinshaw products.

Yes those were dark dark bad days......

That's fine but the sales go to show that those wanting a performance car were, and still are, a minority.

Holden were on their knees in the 80s and were almost dead. In fact, if the EA didn't have all those launch problems, Holden would have died. It was that close.

[Patty]

Originally Posted by graphicgoose

Not even dude! Have you read the most recent dyno and drag comparisons between the GTS and GTF? Bugger all in it down the quarter and the GTF has a higher dyno output, at around 340rwkw. F6's have consistently shown to put out around 310rwkw. We know from customers cars on this forum that to run similar quarter mile times the F6 requires around 50-70rwkw less than the supercharged V8 as a result of the torque of the turbo 6. Sooooo I reckon the F6 would have a shot at the GTS if it had the 275's on the rear like the GTF.

"If" it had the 275's..... It doesn't, I'm talking a stock F6, not GT-F and so far only one performance car mag has had similar performance figures, other's have not. Plus I have ridden in both these cars, and whilst the F6 is an amazing car and would be my preference if choosing between the two, I can assure you from the drivers seat the GTS is another level up in acceleration. Look, I'm happy to admit to being wrong, as I don't personally own either of these cars and haven't witnessed a drag race between the two.

[blk6t]

Well done HSV, it's one of the things I prefer HSV over FPV is the way HSV finish off their utes. Its not just a sticker pack ute with the same motor, HSV are putting a lot into this Maloo. Whilst I have always had a soft spot for the Super Pursuit, the Maloo for me has always been well finished ever since the VY.

I know it may not be able to take much load in the rear etc, but it's a sports ute...

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by P6LTD351

That's fine but the sales go to show that those wanting a performance car were, and still are, a minority.

Holden were on their knees in the 80s and were almost dead. In fact, if the EA didn't have all those launch problems, Holden would have died. It was that close.

What year did they get bailed from bankruptcy?

[raised by monkeys]

Originally Posted by johnydep

Which rear, ute or sedan?

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My mate has an 2012 GTS. Probably IMO the best rear end and overall best looking holden out.

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by vztrt

What year did they get bailed from bankruptcy?

Wasn't it late 80s?

[b0son]

Chances are, HSV have committed to too many LSA's, the sales volumes aren't there, so they're offloading them into the ute to shift a few more.

AFAIK, HSV are not selling as well as they'd like ... look how many V8 sales the SSV has taken away from their clubsports (I bought my R8 in Jan this year, and it was only build no. 150 or so).... and it was heavily discounted.

[HULK EF]

just find this peculiar timing considering all the "New falcon" news flying around on the interweb and facebook lately.

[Nova 8]

That's called marketing

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

So they're gonna put hsv badges on Camaro's and Corvette's ?

Cringeworthy

Well if they get imported then they will be sold as holdens...


And logical sense tells you that go faster ones will be done by HSV.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Im just trying to think back to the F6 days and the hoopla that went on with its "speed". Yet GMH never seem to get such attention?

Don't worry...Only this morning, Neil Mitchell (3AW) was laying the boots in about how "dangerous" these things will be...
He also mentioned that he drove a FPV "Typhoon" (sic) ute when they were released and what a potential "death trap" they are!

[tapeworm]

looks hideous, imo

[Nova 8]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Don't worry...Only this morning, Neil Mitchell (3AW) was laying the boots in about how "dangerous" these things will be...
He also mentioned that he drove a FPV "Typhoon" (sic) ute when they were released and what a potential "death trap" they are!

When compared to what, I'd rather crash a potentially fast ford than slow great wall, tata or Chery.

[SensationFG8]

Originally Posted by Patty

Look, I'm happy to admit to being wrong

Glad to hear it... Now where's the admittance?

[nstg8a]

He didn't say he would beat it, just give it a run for it's money. I tend to agree, the f6 ute is probably only making a fraction less power at the wheels, and that rush of boost....

Might get beaten, but it might be closer than you think.

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

He didn't say he would beat it, just give it a run for it's money. I tend to agree, the f6 ute is probably only making a fraction less power at the wheels, and that rush of boost....

Might get beaten, but it might be closer than you think.

True.
When I said my F6 Ute would give the HSV Ute a run for its money. I believe the F6 would. Yes my F6 is stock and I know I most probably would loose. But it wouldn't be by much. If the rear suspension properly set up and a decent set of rear tyres. Who knows.
The F6 is an amazing performance car/ute that could give HSV a run.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by vztrt

What year did they get bailed from bankruptcy?

85? It was definitely during the VK days. If GM didn't bail them out with a massive cash injection they were finished. Ford had all but buried them.