FGX XR8 Value Holding

[kypez]

I will call out that the FGX seats are not as comfortable as the FG. Our Sprint seats felt like sitting in a school classroom chair from the 80's. You might want to re-cushion them. FG seats you just sink into. I could never get my seating comfortable in FGX. Make sure you sit in one before buying.

Wife liked them because she didn't sink into the seat as much as the FG's.

[Citroënbender]

There’s got to be room for all opinions in the thread; make hommous, not war.

[kypez]

Took the Mustang out tonight for a burn given it is a lovely Sydney summers evening. Group of kids (I'd say they were about 20) saw me driving and asked me to rev it (funnily it was the girls asking me to rev it!!).

Took the GTF out 20 minutes later and coincidentally went past the same kids (took the car on the same route). They didn't even notice the GTF. They heard it, looked over and just went back to what they were doing.

I think that sums up where the next generation sees the Falcon sadly.

For drivers enjoyment, it's hard to go past the Miami especially with the TR6060 behind it. For the public to look at it as something that is aspirational, I think Falcon is having its last moments before it disappears from the landscape and people's (societys) minds.

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

There’s got to be room for all opinions in the thread; make hommous, not war.

That is true, CB! I raised my kids showing them right from wrong, how to interact with society, and how to be meaningfully employed. Now that they are adults, I don't need to do that.

With the members on here, it's not my job to do that, but I'll delete the Cause and Effect crap that no-one needs to see.
We don't need to see your squabbles and minor indifferences. If the two of you met at a pub you may well become friends.

Posting in Forums is very 2 dimensional, and you miss a lot of intent and meaning.


So... I'll just delete the Cause and Effect crap.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by kypez

Took the Mustang out tonight for a burn given it is a lovely Sydney summers evening. Group of kids (I'd say they were about 20) saw me driving and asked me to rev it (funnily it was the girls asking me to rev it!!).

Took the GTF out 20 minutes later and coincidentally went past the same kids (took the car on the same route). They didn't even notice the GTF. They heard it, looked over and just went back to what they were doing.

I think that sums up where the next generation sees the Falcon sadly.

For drivers enjoyment, it's hard to go past the Miami especially with the TR6060 behind it. For the public to look at it as something that is aspirational, I think Falcon is having its last moments before it disappears from the landscape and people's (societys) minds.

Yet the young generations buying up most of the cheap Falcons, to skid and trash them, as cheap transport or at the higher end with the Barra turbos (check out marketplace to get an idea).
Most Falcon sellers on market place (in WA at least) are nearly all Gen Z or millennials.
Not a fan of it but the whole skid/burnout culture reminds me of the emerging drift scene in the 2000s in the way it’s gone viral and a heap of guys are doing it illegally and buying up everything they can get their hands on to do it (like the days of $8000 200SX and R32/R33 GTS-T Skylines).
Well the two most popular cars for that are Falcons and Commodores.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by kypez

Took the Mustang out tonight for a burn given it is a lovely Sydney summers evening. Group of kids (I'd say they were about 20) saw me driving and asked me to rev it (funnily it was the girls asking me to rev it!!).
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Yeah, I get that everywhere I go in the panel van.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by smoo

Yet the young generations buying up most of the cheap Falcons, to skid and trash them, as cheap transport or at the higher end with the Barra turbos (check out marketplace to get an idea).

Most Falcon sellers on market place (in WA at least) are nearly all Gen Z or millennials.

Not a fan of it but the whole skid/burnout culture reminds me of the emerging drift scene in the 2000s in the way it’s gone viral and a heap of guys are doing it illegally and buying up everything they can get their hands on to do it (like the days of $8000 200SX and R32/R33 GTS-T Skylines).

Well the two most popular cars for that are Falcons and Commodores.

But that's the point. They don't have love for Falcon. It's just a car they can trash and then throwaway. Which is why we have so many on marketplace vs enthusiasts who don't want to part with the car.

These guys aren't looking to buy a XR8 or GT. They want the cheap Falcons to abuse not the higher end Falcons to cherish.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

At this point though, I would say broaden your horizons, and buy the car YOU LOVE. The most pristine Falcon available, is now almost a decade old. And wasn't exactly "state of the art" even when new.

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

If the car isn't a daily driver, that's part of the appeal in my opinion. When you jump back in a Falcon, even the newest of them, it's actually quite refreshing.

The lack of tech means you aren't distracted, no 14 different throttle/suspension/gearbox settings, no flashing lights to inform the driver to stay awake, no stop-start......................you just get in, turn the key and drive.

As someone with the latest Mustang, it's certainly fun to play around with the endless combinations of drive mode settings, gauge cluster layout, multiple interior lighting colours, steering feel, exhaust modes ect. But team all of that with the stupid ADAS systems, the car is extremely easy to get distracted while driving, and that's not a good thing.

I agree with Crazy Dazz here. Compare the FGX against the VF series 2 or even the VF. Tech aside, the interiors are just years ahead and the cabin is a great place to be. It isn't just the tech that makes them state of the art. The materials used, suspension tuning, comfort package, etc. There is no way to slice it, the FGX was an also ran vs the FG that was ahead of the VE product.

Putting my Ford bias aside, if it was between a VF series 2 and FGX, I'd buy the VF every day of the week in the secondhand market. LSA Clubby would be the pick.

[Citroënbender]

Cavity wax the bonnet edge folds if you do, please. Haven’t cut a boot lid or door open but they may have the same emerging issues.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by kypez

But that's the point. They don't have love for Falcon. It's just a car they can trash and then throwaway. Which is why we have so many on marketplace vs enthusiasts who don't want to part with the car.

These guys aren't looking to buy a XR8 or GT. They want the cheap Falcons to abuse not the higher end Falcons to cherish.

Many of them will be low income like apprentices who will have the desire for something decent in 10 or so years time once they have the cash.
15-20 years ago GSR Lancers, WRXs, 2.5 turbo skylines, VL Commodore etc were treated like how cheap Falcons/Commodores are currently and as many of them ended up as scrap or crashed, desirability has risen over time.
Falcon/Commodores were the last cars to offer rwd, decent engines, manual, cheap parts and simple tech, so will always be in demand going forward.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by smoo

Many of them will be low income like apprentices who will have the desire for something decent in 10 or so years time once they have the cash.

15-20 years ago GSR Lancers, WRXs, 2.5 turbo skylines, VL Commodore etc were treated like how cheap Falcons/Commodores are currently and as many of them ended up as scrap or crashed, desirability has risen over time.

Falcon/Commodores were the last cars to offer rwd, decent engines, manual, cheap parts and simple tech, so will always be in demand going forward.

I hope you're right. Maybe I'm just a little pessimistic given my interactions. The age group you have shared are the Gen X and Millennials. The gen after that are more excited by Ranger.

Car meets are the same. With kids, "GTF, what's that?" Mustang needs no introduction. Heck, they actually go gaga over a certain electric brand than GT or my XR8 in race trim. Sprint was similar. No one under 35 gave it a second look.

With the GTF, I just get the usual 35+ people that recognise the car and come have a chat. Sprint are 50+ people who remember the ED Sprint for reference.

[DFB FGXR6]

Was out cruising down the main street in the FGX XR8 the other week. Pulled up at a set of lights and had two young guys cheering with joy right next to me in an FGX G6E. Clearly, these two knew what I was driving despite it being "nothing special" plain-Jane XR8. Made me smile, because these two were bucking the trend of young kids uninterested in cars, and uninterested in Falcon's.

Of course, the Mustang grabs everyone's attention, but sometimes there is a something to be said for cruising around in a sleeper.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Was out cruising down the main street in the FGX XR8 the other week. Pulled up at a set of lights and had two young guys cheering with joy right next to me in an FGX G6E. Clearly, these two knew what I was driving despite it being "nothing special" plain-Jane XR8. Made me smile, because these two were bucking the trend of young kids uninterested in cars, and uninterested in Falcon's.



Of course, the Mustang grabs everyone's attention, but sometimes there is a something to be said for cruising around in a sleeper.

Nice. There is hope. Wind back 20 years ago when I got my BA XR8 every kid knew what it was and wanted to see more. Falcon has turned into a sleeper.

My point is that OP asked about their future value. I love the drive of these cars and those in the know, know. But value and price tends to be linked with how many people know about something and desire it. That pool might be shrinking for Falcon.

Like I said, hopefully I'm wrong. I've made my points. Now I'm just repeating myself.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by kypez

Nice. There is hope. Wind back 20 years ago when I got my BA XR8 every kid knew what it was and wanted to see more. Falcon has turned into a sleeper.

My point is that OP asked about their future value. I love the drive of these cars and those in the know, know. But value and price tends to be linked with how many people know about something and desire it. That pool might be shrinking for Falcon.

Like I said, hopefully I'm wrong. I've made my points. Now I'm just repeating myself.

I mean, I think we have been repeating ourselves for a very long time now. I'd dare say 95% of the members here, both past and present, were here because of Falcon. So clearly we love these cars.

But only a VERY niche enthusiast is going gaga over a Falcon these days, and even during the BA-BF harlequin days, the vast majority were driving these cars because they had to (rental, fleet car). Sad reality.

[roKWiz]

Must be the reason why truck shows are getting bigger every year.

[FERG_51]

Took FG GT R Spec in for tyres the other day [ Black /Red version] couple of 20+ yr olds gave me the big thumbs up as i pulled out of the tyre shop. They do stand out though with the red stripes and wheels.

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Cavity wax the bonnet edge folds if you do, please. Haven’t cut a boot lid or door open but they may have the same emerging issues.

I'm starting to discover doors are going to become a BIG problem in B series falcons, recently bought a BA ute where there wouldve been at least 3 cups of leaf litter between both front doors, and thats not counting the fine stuff I had to wash out!

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by kypez

With the GTF, I just get the usual 35+ people that recognise the car and come have a chat. Sprint are 50+ people who remember the ED Sprint for reference.

Hey...... I'm not 50 yet! SHouldnt have sold mine, though :'(

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Clearly, these two knew what I was driving despite it being "nothing special" plain-Jane XR8.

Unlike the B series that people seem to just assume are nothing special.... while back had a couple of owner operators try revving their engine at the lights in a SV6, I'm thinking, guys, see the bulge? see the big red 8 badge? You aint gonna win....

But yep, took off from the lights in a rush, same BS at the next set of lights...... WTF