Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated.

Go Back   Australian Ford Forums > General Topics > The Pub

The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-10-2005, 09:20 PM   #31
XA-Coupe
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,644
Default

If people are at or near the speed limit your judgement is used to it. Go substantially faster than that and people think they have enough room but in fact don't.... boom.
XA-Coupe is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 09:21 PM   #32
XA-Coupe
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,644
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John McMaster
don't know about that....when one can get clocked at 170+ in a datto by a speed camera......typical Vic.
they left the "-" sigh off I reckon :
XA-Coupe is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 09:35 PM   #33
WizBang
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Perth
Posts: 551
Default

I agree the person who pulled out of the side street should of seen them as they were only doing about 100 ks or so
WizBang is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 09:36 PM   #34
Falcon Coupe
Clevo Mafia Inc.
 
Falcon Coupe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 10,496
Chairman's Award: Chairman's Award - Issue reason: The exceptional contribution made to AFF over an extended period of time. Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Your tireless efforts behind the scenes in keeping AFF the place it is. 
Default

There is some truth in what you say Rollin, if a guy was killed because they were doing 100 in a 70 zone, i believe they still would have hit him if doing 70, just not as hard, i see idiots do this all the time at the intersection of Thompsons road and Clyde road in Berwick.
Falcon Coupe is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 09:37 PM   #35
AGRO
KB TECH SUPPORT
 
AGRO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Country Vic
Posts: 708
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John McMaster
It all depends on the mood of the copper at the time...as XA Coupe can vouch for...anything that is deemed by the cop to be out of the norm can get you booked.
Maybe so, but it will be thrown out of court.
What's deemed by the cooper at the time, DOES NOT MAKE IT ILLEGAL.
It's his opinion.
Over the years I have been on the road, I have been threatend by a moody copper into being booked a few times. Even when he stands there and can't produce evidence that I was the one involved(Of which I never was, just driving the same model car as a local dick#@&*). I stood my ground, spoke to him the way he did to me, challenged him to court if he decided to procceed with his claim, and nothing ever eventuated.

Why should I be punished for the mood of a copper??????????
If I was in the datto in this example, should I be punished for a coppers bad night??? NO NO NO!!!!!!!

I think it's a fine line to this discussion, and it would all depend I think on how hard the acceleration was, and if you challenged it in court, only then would you know for sure!

AGRO.
AGRO is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 09:40 PM   #36
MITCHAY
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Canberra
Posts: 13,457
Default

Well to me if its so illegal to do so, how come in my experience its only people with P plates or highly modified cars who get done for it. I see mums driving HSVs, FPVs and even Camrys who put the foot down yet dont get done for it.

Surely if its illegal it should be enforced against everyone regardless of age of the driver and type of car.
MITCHAY is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 09:40 PM   #37
MO
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
MO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: QLD
Posts: 4,446
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by XA Coupe
they left the "-" sigh off I reckon :

LOL.........
__________________
FORD RULES OK

The more I know ppl the more I love my DOGS.
2011 SY Territory Limited Edition TS
2000 AUII SE ute IL6
MO is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 09:41 PM   #38
XA-Coupe
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,644
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollin
Fixed.



yeah i agree, that sort of thing is disgracefull and a huge sensless waste - that guy that pulled out really was a tosser for not looking before he pulled out - they should posthumously give that guy a ticket for failing to give way and/or driving without due care and attention.

i cant believe you people rabbiting on, like you actually believe "every k over is a killer" do you really think each and every road is tested thoroughly and the posted speed limit is right on the ragged bleeding edge of each and every vehicles' performance envelope, with absolutely no margin for error no matter what the prevailing traffic, weather and road conditions are?

and this bulls*** the government is feeding us: "speeding = death" is just justification for them to put speed cameras on every road and reap the millions of dollars a week in revenue, making it look like they actually can balance the books.

have you ever thought its a bit suss that they wont actually release figures relating to how much of the speed camera revenue is actually channeled into road maintenence? because its bugger all...

speed cameras are the best tax ever - they make you pay and at the same time you think you deserved it!!!

speeding does not kill you, inattention, lack of skill and poor judgement will, as it did to that Fewl who pulled out in front of the cars as quoted above.
Like it or not, the dickheads that were doing 100 in the 70 zone are in the wrong. That's about 40% over the limit and I would bet they were accellerating too. That's not 1 or 2 over.
As much as the guy that pulled out in front of them failed to give way, the heroes drag racing now face culpable driving charges. They were driving in a manner and speed that they should reasonably been able to forsee that it's dangerous.
Good rant about speed cameras... too bad it has nothing to do with this discussion
XA-Coupe is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 09:48 PM   #39
shane3
FPV GT 0915
 
shane3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mostly in my GT
Posts: 716
Default

It all depends on the cop and if he/she wants to be a P**CK, I have been warned for getting through the boom gate's before the cop in the unmarked cop car as the road went from 2 lanes down to 1 and not getting stuck in traffic. And then again I have been given the thumbs up buy a cop in a SS (cop car) doing 30 over the posted speed limit.
__________________
Bluprint BA GT 2004 Model - Mods: Tinted Windows, Premium Sound, BBS Mags, 245/35R19 fronts, 285/30R19 rears, BMC POD Filter, SS cold air induction, HM tri-y headers, Redback cat back system, Herrod power snorkle, moded Herrod helix spacer, 4" ram air induction, More to come..
shane3 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 09:48 PM   #40
MO
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
MO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: QLD
Posts: 4,446
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AGRO
Maybe so, but it will be thrown out of court.
What's deemed by the cooper at the time, DOES NOT MAKE IT ILLEGAL.
It's his opinion.
Over the years I have been on the road, I have been threatend by a moody copper into being booked a few times. Even when he stands there and can't produce evidence that I was the one involved(Of which I never was, just driving the same model car as a local dick#@&*). I stood my ground, spoke to him the way he did to me, challenged him to court if he decided to procceed with his claim, and nothing ever eventuated.

Why should I be punished for the mood of a copper??????????
If I was in the datto in this example, should I be punished for a coppers bad night??? NO NO NO!!!!!!!

I think it's a fine line to this discussion, and it would all depend I think on how hard the acceleration was, and if you challenged it in court, only then would you know for sure!

AGRO.
NO it won't in all probability be thrown out of court....the court will always..unless it can be proven beyond doubt...take the word of the copper!!!!!!!!!
__________________
FORD RULES OK

The more I know ppl the more I love my DOGS.
2011 SY Territory Limited Edition TS
2000 AUII SE ute IL6
MO is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 09:56 PM   #41
brenx
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
brenx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Pakenham, Victoria
Posts: 6,983
Default

All three parties were in the wrong in that accident. Two doing 100kph = speeding. 1 pulling out = failure to giveway.

All three can be charged with other charges such as "wreckless endangerment" I think the charge is etc.

I had an incident today where I was sitting out in the intersection waiting to turn right. Lights go amber, then go red but cars going straight keep going even though the lights red! I could have T-boned a couple of cars but instead I mouthed, "You f***ing idiots, the light is red!" Then took off as they reversed back from around 1/3rds of the way into the intersection.

[edit] Yes, it's police descretion whether they book someone for accelerating too fast etc. Whether they've had a bay day or not. They have a partner with them as a witness to verify or bounce off whether a fine should be issued. Generally you'll get a warning from a decent offer unless your in an area that is known for street racing very late at night.
__________________
74 XB Fairmont (street car) 11.07@123.02mph. 08 LV Ford Focus XR5 (daily).

Tuned by Hallam Performance
brenx is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 09:56 PM   #42
EL_futuraistic
Regular Member
 
EL_futuraistic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: victoria
Posts: 495
Default

Yeah my mate was cautioned in his SS commo for accelerating too fast. The copper said he wasnt speeding, but just for him to go easy on the loud pedal :P I have read that you can be done for "driving without due care" and that can apply to many instances, not just rapid acceleration.

In reference to that bayswater accident, Im not sure of exact details but that guy MAY not have been totally in the wrong, if he percieved those vehicles to be doing 70km/h, and they were in fact doing 100km/h then maybe he pulled out with enough time. "allegedly"

Even in dry weather, with rapid acceleration you can still lose control of the vehicle.... maybe a patch of oil on the road for an example.
However, in saying that im not adverse to giving my car a squirt off from the traffic lights from time to time, just to put a smile on the dial.
EL_futuraistic is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 10:11 PM   #43
Smoke Pursuit
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 22,927
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: DASH/bfiipursuit has been alot of help over the years I have frequented this forum, lots of thoughtful and informed posts, very much a valued contributor. 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollin
Fixed.



yeah i agree, that sort of thing is disgracefull and a huge sensless waste - that guy that pulled out really was a tosser for not looking before he pulled out - they should posthumously give that guy a ticket for failing to give way and/or driving without due care and attention.

i cant believe you people rabbiting on, like you actually believe "every k over is a killer" do you really think each and every road is tested thoroughly and the posted speed limit is right on the ragged bleeding edge of each and every vehicles' performance envelope, with absolutely no margin for error no matter what the prevailing traffic, weather and road conditions are?

and this bulls*** the government is feeding us: "speeding = death" is just justification for them to put speed cameras on every road and reap the millions of dollars a week in revenue, making it look like they actually can balance the books.

have you ever thought its a bit suss that they wont actually release figures relating to how much of the speed camera revenue is actually channeled into road maintenence? because its bugger all...

speed cameras are the best tax ever - they make you pay and at the same time you think you deserved it!!!

speeding does not kill you, inattention, lack of skill and poor judgement will, as it did to that Fewl who pulled out in front of the cars as quoted above.
Im with you, take all the inexperienced drivers off the roads and all the shi t boxes, and while your at it do the same with dickheads who drink and drive.

Speeding is against the law and is bad, but the government blames it for everything coz its easy to manage, chuck a few speed cameras here and there and we look like we are doing our jobs. Why won't QLD in particular carry out roadworthys on the side of the road anymore? I dont think ive ever seen coppas going over cars for defects in my life, and you only have to sit next to some of them at the lights to realise that they are unroadworthy, whether they have bald tyres, lack of brake lights or no brakes at all.

As for inexperienced drivers they are everywhere, they can be 20 years old or 40 depending on where they been hiding and where they learnt to drive. Old people are in the same boat, people over 70 should have to go for licences every 12 months and do the tests, coz quite frankly they are ing HOPELESS.

Im over Australia and its Road rules, coz they are c rap, as for this topic its a joke, if your within the speedlimit then they really have no reason to come after you as its no different if you were driving thru the intersection at that speed anyways. :monkes: Maybe we should all take off from the lights at 20 kms an hour so people have to fly through them when they are red.. Then the government can get another bite off the red light cameras. Revenue raising yum yums. :

Oh and just to get something straight my driving record is clean and ive never been done for a single offence yet! I see myself as being a cautious driver who does the right thing, but I dont see why people should be hit up for taking off from the lights quick if they wish to, providing they dont break the speed limit. :

Last edited by Smoke Pursuit; 04-10-2005 at 10:16 PM.
Smoke Pursuit is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 10:30 PM   #44
AGRO
KB TECH SUPPORT
 
AGRO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Country Vic
Posts: 708
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John McMaster
NO it won't in all probability be thrown out of court....the court will always..unless it can be proven beyond doubt...take the word of the copper!!!!!!!!!
And how do you expect them to take the word of the copper......
If he was moody, and had no evidence that you were accelerating too quickly, how can he prove I was otherwise.
Were any marks left on the road??? NO
Was the car at any time deemed to be out of control??? NO
Do you estimate his speed to be above the limit??? NO
So on what grounds do you find the accused guilty then officer??? F*#@nose
Guilty....I don't think so!!!
AGRO is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 10:34 PM   #45
JC
Miami Pilot
Donating Member2
 
JC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ACT
Posts: 21,703
Tech Writer: Recognition for the technical writers of AFF - Issue reason: Writing tech articles 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by XA Coupe
Like it or not, the dickheads that were doing 100 in the 70 zone are in the wrong. That's about 40% over the limit and I would bet they were accellerating too. That's not 1 or 2 over.
As much as the guy that pulled out in front of them failed to give way, the heroes drag racing now face culpable driving charges. They were driving in a manner and speed that they should reasonably been able to forsee that it's dangerous.
I agree XA Coupe. My point was not that the driver who got hit was entirely at fault, just that he/she contributed to the accident by failing to give way. Looking left then looking right (and both clear) then pulling out and getting hit is still failure to give way. The speeding was obviously a major factor, and those guys deserve to go to jail for killing someone (too bad it wasn't themselves). Excessive/inappropriate Speed is never OK. What is excessive and what is inappropriate is subjective, but 100 in a 70 zone in any conditions is pretty obvious - especially if the road has side streets. 60 in a 70 zone could also be excessive and inappropriate in the right (wrong) circumstances - eg during the floods up North a month or two ago.

Anyway, back to the topic of useless' thread. Mitchay - you are right. I doubt the cops would pull over a stock Camry that leaves the lights swiftly. But the lowered, loud falcon next to the Camry would be a possible target for being pulled over. Why do you think modified cars are sometimes known as cop-bait? It's not just enthusiasts' eyes that get caught by a good looking (or standout) car, but also criminals and of course the police.
__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The Hammer: FG GTE | 376rwkw | 1/4 mile 11.793 @ 119.75mph 1.733 60' (4408lb)
1 of 60 FG MK1 335 GTEs (1 of 118 FG Mk 1 & 2 335 GTEs).
Mods: Tune, HSD/ShockWorks, black GT335 19” staggered replicas with 245 & 275/35/19 Michelin Pilot sport 5s

Daily: BF2 Fairmont Ghia I6 ZF, machine face GT335 19” staggered Replicas with 245s and 275s, Bilsteins & Kings

FPV 335 build stats: <click here>

Ford Performance Club ACT
JC is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 11:04 PM   #46
Stav
Smile
 
Stav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Merrylands Sydney
Posts: 8,541
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Always ready to help others over the years on AFF with advice and tips along the way 
Default

Thats why I have an inch of paint preserving dirt on my car mate.A good alrounder the old wagon.Its always better to not look lairy.
__________________
Stingray Car Security ph 0414445444

Single din radio fascias for fg to fgx fords Australia wide .

FG 1 2 and 3 gauge holder in stock now! https://stingraycar.com.au/shop/
Site Sponsor See Sponsor Stingray Car Security 😍👌✌

AU wagon 6 14.241@96.75 1/4 mile sold.Octane fg xr6 turbo!! 12.312 112.21 mph home tune f6 injectors gone ..now in nitro fgxr6t ready to go again
Stav is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 11:31 PM   #47
Blue Oval Mopar Man
Has Blue Blood
 
Blue Oval Mopar Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 1,551
Default

Sorry guys , this is a lame, stupid argument! If you do or dont is you choice . If a cop happens to see you and think your a ken idiot ( and the chances are he will , And because his tin badge says he can ) the he will most likely pull you up on it ! No need to argue with him or us about it . its not going to change the fact that he has a nice ,fresh , volantary state wealth donation request to give to you ! wether you pay it or not is also a choice , as is the right to fight it in court ! If I told you its ok in my eyes will have dik effect on the outcome !

I have had times where I was parked somewhere with a group of likeminded freinds disturbing no one , and a cop or 2 come and issue a couple of canaries just because they dont like us being somewhere in a group ! I never complained about it ! Just went got my road worthy , had the canary removed and went about my business in the knowledge that there are hundreds of times I have got away with violations when they arent around . Now I just walk away from my locked car when coppers turn up and disspear so they cant speak to me about my car legally parked within a defined parking space in a public car park! They wont defect it if they cant find you to say you are with the crowd !
__________________
Real cars dont wear bowties


I'm not arrogent , Just superior
Blue Oval Mopar Man is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 11:42 PM   #48
Stav
Smile
 
Stav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Merrylands Sydney
Posts: 8,541
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Always ready to help others over the years on AFF with advice and tips along the way 
Default

So at this stage in time we can safely bet that as far as safe acceleration goes it is only allowable within reason.Any legal speed limited acceleration is stll bad if you are ..obvious or if the copper is mightily ****ed off.Thats not counting people who think they can just plant 400 rwkws whenever the lights go green.I am not a copper and dont think its sensible.
__________________
Stingray Car Security ph 0414445444

Single din radio fascias for fg to fgx fords Australia wide .

FG 1 2 and 3 gauge holder in stock now! https://stingraycar.com.au/shop/
Site Sponsor See Sponsor Stingray Car Security 😍👌✌

AU wagon 6 14.241@96.75 1/4 mile sold.Octane fg xr6 turbo!! 12.312 112.21 mph home tune f6 injectors gone ..now in nitro fgxr6t ready to go again
Stav is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 11:47 PM   #49
Sprint_ED
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Sprint_ED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Werribee, Victoria
Posts: 1,141
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John McMaster
don't know about that....when one can get clocked at 170+ in a datto by a speed camera......typical Vic.
the owner of that datto went to ACA and they proved the top speed of it was 120 was a faulty speed camera, just like a track doing 150-160kmh un the city link tunnel, mine you it was a fully loaded semi going up a hill
__________________
RIDE: Cobalt blue XR8 Sprint
MODS:Lowered, Paceys, Twin 2.25'' Exhaust By Hallam Exhaust, AFR 165's, Crane 2031 Cam, E-Series Edit, 180 RWKW
TUNED BY BLUEPOWER RACING DEVELOPMENTS 13.79 @ 102 Mph
Sprint_ED is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 11:56 PM   #50
The MaDDeSTMaN
No longer driving a Ford.
 
The MaDDeSTMaN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Posts: 2,969
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wazza3710
It was just on the news about two clowns drag racing in Bayswater just a hour ago and someone pulled out of a side street and one of the cars T-boned him as they were doing about 100 in a 70 zone and killed the person coming out of the side street which is just a waste and thats why you keep this sort of stuff on the track
We get idiots doing well over 120km/h past our house every single night (speed limit is 70km/h), most of the time racing some other fool. It's only a matter of time before there is another fatal accident within a few minutes walk of our house as a result. I've heard them go from a standing start at the traffic lights just up the road, working their way up through the gears and into 6th gear, still at full throttle, every single night since we moved here.

It gets really frustrating when you're trying to get to sleep and you keep getting woken up by LOUD blow off valves and worked engines of all sorts flying past. I love a good car as much as anyone else here, but on friday nights it's just like trying to go to sleep while lying on the ground 10 meters away from the drag strip at calder park!

And yes, you can be booked for getting up to the speed limit at a speed the police officer thinks is too fast, and I've been told you can also be booked for being too slow too - "obstructing the flow of traffic" or something like that.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by russellw
For those who get their jollies attacking other people let me remind you that we will not tolerate this here. If you want to do that then I am sure your presence would be welcomed elsewhere.
The MaDDeSTMaN is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-10-2005, 11:59 PM   #51
Stav
Smile
 
Stav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Merrylands Sydney
Posts: 8,541
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Always ready to help others over the years on AFF with advice and tips along the way 
Default

I pick my kids up from school and heros go up the street like a drag strip.How anyone can live with running someone over is beyond me?

Rollin ..we can all have fun with our cars but within reason. The safest place is the track or on private property.

[QUOTE= you can also be booked for being too slow too - "obstructing the flow of traffic" or something like that.[/QUOTE]
Ill need a longer walking stick mate!!
__________________
Stingray Car Security ph 0414445444

Single din radio fascias for fg to fgx fords Australia wide .

FG 1 2 and 3 gauge holder in stock now! https://stingraycar.com.au/shop/
Site Sponsor See Sponsor Stingray Car Security 😍👌✌

AU wagon 6 14.241@96.75 1/4 mile sold.Octane fg xr6 turbo!! 12.312 112.21 mph home tune f6 injectors gone ..now in nitro fgxr6t ready to go again
Stav is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2005, 12:00 AM   #52
MITCHAY
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Canberra
Posts: 13,457
Default

You dont even need to have a ripped car for it to get out of shape. Ive driven my mums bog stock commodore plenty of times, and even the slightest touch of the pedal and it will step out. Hell i can even boot my POS car in the wet and it will wheelspin hardcore and pull to the side with a gear change.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize whats appropiate driving and what isnt. If your car is wheel spinning or stepping out then your driving inappropiately.

On numerous occasions I have witnessed, this has been the case and the driver has been lucky enough to pull it back in without causing an accident.

Last edited by MITCHAY; 05-10-2005 at 12:14 AM.
MITCHAY is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2005, 12:13 AM   #53
The MaDDeSTMaN
No longer driving a Ford.
 
The MaDDeSTMaN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Posts: 2,969
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by useless
Quote:
you can also be booked for being too slow too - "obstructing the flow of traffic" or something like that.
Ill need a longer walking stick mate!!
Hahaha, yeah, me too mate!

Oh, and as has already been said, the reason they can get people for undue care for getting to the limit quicker then they think is safe, is because you NEVER know what is going to happen on a public road.

A road may appear totally flat from your perspective as a driver, right up until the moment you feel the road surface dip down or even worse, a huge pothole, making the car suddenly unsettled on the suspension - no problem at say 60km/h, but double that and go over the same bit of road and you could end up in a whole world of hurt.

Same with any number of other things, water/oil/coolant or anything else on the road making it slippery, an animal or person stepping out on the road and into your path, drivers not stopping at stop signs or giving way when they're supposed to. And so on.

Basically, because while YOU may know what you're doing and still be in control of your car, there are too many variables involved which make it unsafe to get up to the limit too quickly.

I hope I've made sense.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by russellw
For those who get their jollies attacking other people let me remind you that we will not tolerate this here. If you want to do that then I am sure your presence would be welcomed elsewhere.
The MaDDeSTMaN is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2005, 12:22 AM   #54
Blue Oval Mopar Man
Has Blue Blood
 
Blue Oval Mopar Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 1,551
Default

On numerous occasions I have witnessed, this has been the case and the driver has been lucky enough to pull it back in without causing an accident.[/QUOTE]


Im an ex Tow truck operator ! Ive seen hundreds of these same accidents ! Mostly , fools who think they are a race car driver , take a corner and end up with a power pole attached to their car or stuck in a fence ! Luckily , most of the time no one is injured , but sometimes not so lucky !
__________________
Real cars dont wear bowties


I'm not arrogent , Just superior
Blue Oval Mopar Man is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2005, 01:49 AM   #55
M&Ms
Donating Member
Donating Member1
 
M&Ms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sydney
Posts: 1,940
Default How fast was I accelerating officer?

OK, regarding the excessive acceleration issue; how can it be right for a cop to give you a ticket for accelerating too fast when there is no standard on what is considered fast or slow? How is anyone meant to know how fast you are accelerating (physically, in g's for examples) and what the max acceptable acceleration is? Now if there were posted signs saying max acceleration of "x.xx"m/s/s, and your car was fitted with a guage which reads "rate of acceleration", then by all means, book the buggers. But for a cop to be given the right to judge what he deems excessive is over the top in my opinion. As many have stated here, and what others would have also witnessed or experienced, it seems that the enthusiasts who take pride in their cars are the ones who get picked on, whereas 1982 Toyota corollas with no tread on the tyres, no working indicators or stuffed up seat belts can just drive on by without being hassled.

:gren:
M&Ms is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2005, 01:52 AM   #56
MITCHAY
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Canberra
Posts: 13,457
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by micmansour
OK, regarding the excessive acceleration issue; how can it be right for a cop to give you a ticket for accelerating too fast when there is no standard on what is considered fast or slow? How is anyone meant to know how fast you are accelerating (physically, in g's for examples) and what the max acceptable acceleration is? Now if there were posted signs saying max acceleration of "x.xx"m/s/s, and your car was fitted with a guage which reads "rate of acceleration", then by all means, book the buggers. But for a cop to be given the right to judge what he deems excessive is over the top in my opinion.
I spose its the same as its always been with noise pollution. What maybe loud to one cop might not be to another cop. Maybe its excessive for one and not the other. Guess its all in the luck of the draw.
MITCHAY is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2005, 07:40 AM   #57
Stav
Smile
 
Stav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Merrylands Sydney
Posts: 8,541
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Always ready to help others over the years on AFF with advice and tips along the way 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The MaDDeSTMaN
Hahaha, yeah, me too mate!

Oh, and as has already been said, the reason they can get people for undue care for getting to the limit quicker then they think is safe, is because you NEVER know what is going to happen on a public road.

A road may appear totally flat from your perspective as a driver, right up until the moment you feel the road surface dip down or even worse, a huge pothole, making the car suddenly unsettled on the suspension - no problem at say 60km/h, but double that and go over the same bit of road and you could end up in a whole world of hurt.

Same with any number of other things, water/oil/coolant or anything else on the road making it slippery, an animal or person stepping out on the road and into your path, drivers not stopping at stop signs or giving way when they're supposed to. And so on.

Basically, because while YOU may know what you're doing and still be in control of your car, there are too many variables involved which make it unsafe to get up to the limit too quickly.

I hope I've made sense.
My word mate.I do heaps of driving and see so much crap on the road that its not funny!!.I was just cruising at 60 last week in the middle lane and some tosser just decided to throw his car from the side straight onto my car.How he missed me ..I dont know.If I was going faster he would have totalled me.

Another bad one is semitrailers.They take up heaps of room and as the go through curves they dont always track in their lanes..so I stay well away
I really believe that 90% of accidents are due to other drivers mistakes. Of those 90% I believe the stress of financial burden imposed by high taxes,overinflated inflation,fuel costs ,govenrment pressures and generally stupid drivers are the major contributors to our dangerous roads.People are not relaxed. Bad roads are another issue.
__________________
Stingray Car Security ph 0414445444

Single din radio fascias for fg to fgx fords Australia wide .

FG 1 2 and 3 gauge holder in stock now! https://stingraycar.com.au/shop/
Site Sponsor See Sponsor Stingray Car Security 😍👌✌

AU wagon 6 14.241@96.75 1/4 mile sold.Octane fg xr6 turbo!! 12.312 112.21 mph home tune f6 injectors gone ..now in nitro fgxr6t ready to go again

Last edited by Stav; 05-10-2005 at 07:46 AM.
Stav is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2005, 07:54 AM   #58
Racecraft
they call me Tibbo
 
Racecraft's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 6,163
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by useless
Another bad one is semitrailers.They take up heaps of room and as the go through curves they dont always track in their lanes...
That is why they carry "Don't not overtake turning vehicle" warning signs... Amazes me (not you useless) how people get cranky at trucks and buses when it is written in plain english...
__________________

Racecraft is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2005, 08:56 AM   #59
bindi
Redhead extraordinaire...
 
bindi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Blue Mountains, NSW
Posts: 2,049
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by useless
Bad roads are another issue.
I've debated about bad roads. Also about taking off at the lights up to the speed limit. I think I mostly got flamed for it though lol, but that's typical cos I say some weirdass things at times.

Anyway, I see both sides. I've seen someone have the light turn green and get hit by a car running a red (and when I went to help him, all he could say was "But my light was GREEN", poor bloke).

I also have had my fair share of taking off at the lights and up to the speed limit. And I will argue with any copper who tells me any different. If I am under the speed limit then he has no right to hassle me in any way. I am sick of how much power the government and the police have, and will argue my rights for sure. Who the hell are they to judge what they deem to be taking off too fast?!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollin
i cant believe you people rabbiting on, like you actually believe "every k over is a killer" do you really think each and every road is tested thoroughly and the posted speed limit is right on the ragged bleeding edge of each and every vehicles' performance envelope, with absolutely no margin for error no matter what the prevailing traffic, weather and road conditions are?

and this bulls*** the government is feeding us: "speeding = death" is just justification for them to put speed cameras on every road and reap the millions of dollars a week in revenue, making it look like they actually can balance the books.
Absolutely agree. They should be putting more money into making our roads safer. The wrong camber on a wet corner = trouble. And we have them everywhere. It's a mess.

If they treated us with respect and actually wanted us to LIVE while driving on our roads, don't you think they'd make them better to drive on?

And the speed limits are a joke - a very scary joke. Driving up and down the Blue Mountains sees so many changes of speed it's ridiculous. It's not about road condition or weather issues, it's about slowing us down to the point that we're doing 60kph on a road where we used to do 100kph. It's like we're all toddlers who need to be carefully watched, not adults like me who have been driving for 16 years with a clean record.
__________________
Bindi
88 EA- his car
88 Rolla - MY car

Quote:
Originally Posted by big_waity
Oh, and another surefire symptom will be the Falcon badge at the back.
bindi is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2005, 09:13 AM   #60
Uncle_Ken
Next upgraded Mk1 Leopard
 
Uncle_Ken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, in the burbs
Posts: 4,915
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Always putting some imput into the forums to help or make it a bit easier for others Tech Writer: Recognition for the technical writers of AFF - Issue reason: Writing tech articles 
Default

No one has added what affect displaying P plates on a car would have in examples listed so far. I bet that a P plater would get pulled over A.S.A.P if they were driving a XR6 or a Mazda 1300 if they 'took of quick' from a set of lights.
Uncle_Ken
__________________
Plastic Surgery 1 AUII Monsoon Blue
Plastic Surgery 2 AUIII XR8 220 Rebel
Plastic Surgery 3 Watch this space ??? Living in AU Heaven
How 2's: Change rear view mirror, Install backfire valve, Change foam front seats, Install auto transmission cooler, Replace Trans Shift Globe, Remove front door Trim, Paint AU headlights, install door spears, Premium Rear Parcel Shelf, go here...
Uncle_Ken is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Reply


Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 11:22 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Other than what is legally copyrighted by the respective owners, this site is copyright www.fordforums.com.au
Positive SSL