XR5 spotted at holding yard

[Miyagi]

I think Ford are making it optional on whether you contact them or not to tell them their marketing (or lack there of) towards the launch of the Ford XR5T Turbo has been very lacklustre. :rolleyes:

[Ford Grunt]

Originally Posted by Miyagi

I think Ford are making it optional on whether you contact them or not to tell them their marketing (or lack there of) towards the launch of the Ford XR5T Turbo has been very lacklustre. :rolleyes:

Ha ha GOLD!

Ford Grunt

[FRA]

Originally Posted by Miyagi

I think Ford are making it optional on whether you contact them or not to tell them their marketing (or lack there of) towards the launch of the Ford XR5T Turbo has been very lacklustre. :rolleyes:

I don't think Ford will sell alot of the XR5T, its like the St170. Ford didn't sell alot and the xr5 was meant to be called St220, but to make it more attractive so they called it xr5t.
The price is too high and its too close in price range to the XR6

[Teki04]

Originally Posted by FRA

I don't think Ford will sell alot of the XR5T, its like the St170. Ford didn't sell alot and the xr5 was meant to be called St220, but to make it more attractive so they called it xr5t.
The price is too high and its too close in price range to the XR6

:nutsycuck :

Wait - the XR5T and St170 are COMPLETELY different cars. The ST170 had a great chassis, but didn't have the power to compete with other hot hatches. Ford seem to have gotten it right this time. It has heaps more power, and killed the LR Focus RS around the track... meaning it is WAYYYYYYY quicker then the ST170, yet for a cheaper RRP price when new.

The XR5T has been given the name for marketing reasons - seems to be working so far. Everyone knows it is essentially an ST.

Priced too high?! $35,990 for the Focus XR5T, $39,990 for a GTI manual STOCK. So wait, how is it too high? It is priced below the Golf GTI, Alfa 147 GTA (which has similar power), HSV VXR (to be announced), Megane 225 Turbo... and just above the Pug 206 GTi180 and RenaultSport Clio. So again, how is it too expensive?

I doubt the XR5T and XR6T buyers will cross paths. If anything, the XR5T will rob the XR6T of buyers. Trust me, If you originally wanted an XR5T, you won't buy an XR6T... two completely different cars

[pertuan]

The ST170 didnt sell to many because the engine was gutless for what it was supposed to represent. I know people who have ST170s. They say its great as a daily driver but it is hardly a sporty hot hatch. Their words... not mine. lol

The XR5 name came about because everyone relates Ford Performance cars (not including FPV) to the XR range. XR6, XR6T, XR8... all sporty cars. So it cuts down marketing costs to establish an ST brand following.

As far as the costs go... yes its too expensive because I cant afford it :P J/K. I think its priced very competitively.

[Perana]

I dunno... fordel's ST170 goes orrite

BTW XR5T wasn't going to be ST220 it was just plain ST... An ST220 is a Mondeo.

Oh and XR5t is slightly cheaper than the XR6 N/A but would be faster in a straight line just and much faster around the bends.. aswell as the buid quality being very good if the XR5t at the motor show was anything to go by!

XR6T is over 42k iirc so thats a fair bit dearer really...

[amlohac]

i dunno why your all ИИИИИin you all know you want an xr5t and the only reason you would whinge is cos your like me and cant afford one... now ive made myself sad.... oh well.

[Zetec20]

I tihnk everytime FRA says something on here my brain dies slowly inside

[Martyvan]

Originally Posted by Zetec20

I tihnk everytime FRA says something on here my brain dies slowly inside

My thoughts exactly. I think FRA is really a holden person trying to infiltrate the Ford Camp. The issue is, FRA doesnt particularly know alot about what FRA is doing. Yet trys to convince us that they are right, and know loads.

Oh and priced too close?

Try over $10,000 cheaper on RRP straight up, for VERY Similar performance (Straight line) and BETTER performance around corners, Yet to be proven, but will be the cases on hearsay, from those that have driven them.

[zetec]

Originally Posted by FRA

I thought that the turbo was standard
So the stock xr5 is 2.0L ? how many Hp= kw do you get in the 2.0L and xr5t is a 2.5 ?
A question to the people who are going to get a xr5t
We don't sell turbo
Wouldn't it work out cheaper to go and buy a stock standard Duratec from 20,990 and put a big powerful turbo and save 10,000
New turbo sell under $2000 and inter cooling is around $1000, im not to sure on full cost.
I know the biggest turbo on a Zetec is 400hp to stock or youll get turbo lag
So I wonder how big of a turbo will fit on a Duratec
The high end duratec sell for 27,490 and 30,990
If your going to spend near 30k, your more then likely going to get the new xr5 model.
2 thing are going to happen
1) who's going pay near 30k for a stock Duratec, when the xr5 is about $6000 less the xr5t at 35990
2) Ford dealer could have a problem selling the high end stock standard Duratec or stock xr5
It's all going to come down to Hp, colour, options, what come standard, etc
its going to be interesting what model sell better, so you could see a price drop with the high end stock duratec if Ford can't sell enough

I didn't know there was a option if you wanted a turbo, i though it come stock.

I'm sorry, I've been a very good boy here and shown my maturity and forum leadership for a very long time in holding back... I'm just not going to say anything here lest I get kicked off the forums.

Do you SERIOUSLY run a business specialising in Focus Performance? I mean seriously?

[kiwijohn42]

XR5 would be nice, but the 3dr looks better. Shame we don't get that or the ST Fiesta.

[used]

now question is ..
if the focus st/ xr5t goes well
Will there be an RS???

[Martyvan]

Originally Posted by used

now question is ..
if the focus st/ xr5t goes well
Will there be an RS???

I would say its about as secret as a Territory Turbo was @ Christmas!

[pertuan]

Is the RS the AWD model?

[zetec]

No, the LR RS was a front wheel drive, actually not too dissimilar from an LS "ST" XR5 Turbo... in European magazine "Car", Jost Capito the Director of Ford Team RS was quoted as saying regarding the potential new RS:

"I think with this new ST, a new RS would be much more accepted than the last model. You don't need any more than the ST, but if you offer it people will want it.
Financially, to spend money on a very low-volume model such as an RS is a very difficult decision at the moment. When you've achieved the volume in sales then you can do a car for enthusiasts, a car that really respests your motorsport activity. Things very much depend on the success of the ST, but if it goes well then an RS would be possible."

Here's hoping!!!!!!!

[melbzetec]

Originally Posted by zetec

I'm sorry, I've been a very good boy here and shown my maturity and forum leadership for a very long time in holding back... I'm just not going to say anything here lest I get kicked off the forums.

Do you SERIOUSLY run a business specialising in Focus Performance? I mean seriously?

So that's my problem!!! No maturity and no forum leadership! (LOL out his own joke)

Well stated Matt. Much better than my ramblings

[murcod]

Originally Posted by Teki04

:Priced too high?! $35,990 for the Focus XR5T, $39,990 for a GTI manual STOCK. So wait, how is it too high? It is priced below the Golf GTI, Alfa 147 GTA (which has similar power), HSV VXR (to be announced), Megane 225 Turbo... and just above the Pug 206 GTi180 and RenaultSport Clio. So again, how is it too expensive?

IMHO the price is where is should be (of course if it was cheaper it would be better! )

Holden are also bringing out an Astra SRi Turbo mid year- which will no doubt be priced very aggressively against the XR5. The XR5 will have the advantage of four doors vs two. I've got a brochure listing the Astra will have 147kW, 18" wheels, ESP, 6 speed manual etc.

I wonder if HSV will still be bringing out the VXR now???

[Teki04]

Apparently the VXR will hit the market around $43-44K.... meaning it is more expensive then the Focus.

However, this could also mean the 147kw Astra Turbo might be around $33ish grand... BARGIN!

[Martyvan]

Holden would introduce the Astra turbo at the same price of the XR5.. or thereabouts. It wont be that much cheaper, if at all. Holden think they have a premium product!

[mitch_lx]

Originally Posted by FRA

I thought that the turbo was standard
So the stock xr5 is 2.0L ? how many Hp= kw do you get in the 2.0L and xr5t is a 2.5 ?
A question to the people who are going to get a xr5t
We don't sell turbo
Wouldn't it work out cheaper to go and buy a stock standard Duratec from 20,990 and put a big powerful turbo and save 10,000
New turbo sell under $2000 and inter cooling is around $1000, im not to sure on full cost.
I know the biggest turbo on a Zetec is 400hp to stock or youll get turbo lag
So I wonder how big of a turbo will fit on a Duratec
The high end duratec sell for 27,490 and 30,990
If your going to spend near 30k, your more then likely going to get the new xr5 model.
2 thing are going to happen
1) who's going pay near 30k for a stock Duratec, when the xr5 is about $6000 less the xr5t at 35990
2) Ford dealer could have a problem selling the high end stock standard Duratec or stock xr5
It's all going to come down to Hp, colour, options, what come standard, etc
its going to be interesting what model sell better, so you could see a price drop with the high end stock duratec if Ford can't sell enough

I didn't know there was a option if you wanted a turbo, i though it come stock.

Im sorry, i really didnt understand any of that.
Could you please repost, so that were all clear what you actually meant to say?

[zetec]

He is confused and somehow (?) thinks there's a non-turbo version of the XR5 Turbo simply called XR5.

[FRA]

[QUOTE=Teki04] :nutsycuck :

Wait - the XR5T and St170 are COMPLETELY different cars. The ST170 had a great chassis, but didn't have the power to compete with other hot hatches. Ford seem to have gotten it right this time. It has heaps more power, and killed the LR Focus RS around the track... meaning it is WAYYYYYYY quicker then the ST170, yet for a cheaper RRP price when new.


Firstly just let me say I never said they were the same type of car. I was stating from a selling point of view that in the end the ST170 didn't sell very well because of the high price and with the economy in Australia the way it is today, I believe the XR5T is going to have the same problem. A lot of people might want it, but can't afford it.

My other point was, the XR5 and the XR6 was only a few thousand dollars difference. So tell me boys. If you had both sitting in front of you and they asked you to take just one.....which would you chose?

[FRA]

Originally Posted by Martyvan

Yes.

If you want an XR5 without the Turbo, you also have to lose half a litre of engine, and save yourself about $6000.

Ok just let say first that I am sorry I had too much information on my post, but this is what I was replying to. I hadn't heard of an XR5 without the turbo until this post.

Is this post correct and can you get a standard XR5?

That was what my post was about.

[Martyvan]

Originally Posted by FRA

Ok just let say first that I am sorry I had too much information on my post, but this is what I was replying to. I hadn't heard of an XR5 without the turbo until this post.

Is this post correct and can you get a standard XR5?

That was what my post was about.

Read the "other" Peoples replies to this post, and you will most certainly realise I was talking about a 2.0 litre Zetec. Everyone else seemed to realise this, apart from yourself.

[FRA]

Originally Posted by Blake_7

i work for ford,im a salesman,ive driven the xr5 turbo there not that great,good handling but not enought power

If this is true then they really aren't going to sell very well are they?
Especially not if the salesmen don't feel they have enough power?


I hope the Focus XR5 does well because I love the Focus (could you guess considering I own 2?), but with comments such as these around .........

I would love to see a 4WD or AWD in this model in a couple of years.

[Teki04]

Blake_7 - you really are not going to sell any with that sort of Attitude. I remember a guy at the local Ford dealer telling me I should have bought a Barina SRi. Please, you work for Ford? Dude - sell them

As for FRA's comment about people not buying them because they are too expensive. What planet are you on mate? The VW Golf has a 6 month waiting list... Renault is selling a few Megane 225 Turbos (which they are using as a 'halo' model for the rest of the range). Let me assure you, there are people that will buy them. Hell, if it was about 6 months earlier then the release date, even I would consider it (AND I'M 18! - so surely people can afford it!).

And, you said yourself, if people can buy loads of XR6s, then they have the $$$. In regards to not having power - this is really weird. I know they are super quick for a hatch, more so then the 147 GTA if i remember correctly.

I'm fed up with people dissing the ST170. Please, Lincoln could back me up here. They were a super handling hatch... but were more a 'Mild' hatch, and not so much 'Hot'. This doesn't mean they didn't sell - because they did.

I'm still really shocked about you saying people don't have money. Have you read the local economy? People are down sizing into medium and small-medium sized cars. This is the reason why the small hot hatch is going insane

Your trying to say that none of these cars ALREADY sell?
- Polo GTi
- Corolla Sportivo
- 206 GTi
- 206 GTi180
- Clio 182 and Cup models
- Megane 225 and Cup models
- Golf GTi
- Integra Type S
- Astra SRi Turbo (Back in the day... it sold like hot cakes!)
- 147 GTA
- R32 (when it was out... new one coming soon!)
- 130i with the M Pack (which I believe is standard?)

Please, people do have the money. I believe they will sell.



NOW - Considering you didn't even know about the XR5T as just that - a 2.5L Turbo and a normal one we were refering to the normal range... please hold back on posting about what you think the car will do. Surely you haven't read reviews about it and know information about it to even CONSIDER there to be an XR5 standard. Idiot. The XR5 stands for a 5 cylinder... and there is NO 5 cylinder in the Ford range without a Turbo. Now, go back to your hut


*EDIT*

Blake_7... you just posted before I could press the send button.

I don't think an AWD version is confirmed for Europe, let alone here.

Ok, so you say it is a great handling car. Thankyou. Now, the performance issue, could that be because you are comparing it to boosted up WRXs and the like? Remember that the XR5T is a hot hatch priced at $35,990. At that price, tell me what is cheaper (AND A NEW CAR) that goes quicker?

I rest my case

[FRA]

[QUOTE=Teki04]Blake_7 -
NOW - Considering you didn't even know about the XR5T as just that - a 2.5L Turbo and a normal one we were refering to the normal range... please hold back on posting about what you think the car will do. Surely you haven't read reviews about it and know information about it to even CONSIDER there to be an XR5 standard. Idiot. The XR5 stands for a 5 cylinder... and there is NO 5 cylinder in the Ford range without a Turbo. Now, go back to your hut



Ok I understand what you're saying here. But I didn't think there was an XR5 standard until I read the original post, quoted in my answer before. That was why I was asking about it because it didn't make sense to me as I understand what the 5 stands for in the name. 5 cylinders. SO you can imagine how suprised I was to see that post and once again just asked a question to be sure.

[Teki04]

Ok, forgiven for that question. But still, I can't understand how you believe the XR5T will not sell. Please, come up with a logical reason before you say why

[FRA]

Originally Posted by Teki04

Ok, forgiven for that question. But still, I can't understand how you believe the XR5T will not sell. Please, come up with a logical reason before you say why

I hope I'm wrong, I hope it DOES sell because I love the Focus so much. But when comparing it to other Ford models, because let's be honest, true Ford lovers will only compare with other Ford models, I just think the cost will be too much for the average Joe Blow when he sees for just a few grand more he can get an XR6.

It's about time a Focus got a turbo and I do like the look of it.

[Teki04]

FRA - To be honest I think you are completely wrong.

Firstly, the XR5T is not aimed at the average Joe Blow... Sorry

Secondly, I doubt people wanting an XR5T are going to compare it to other Ford Models

ALLLLLLLLL comparisons will probably be:

WRX vs XR5T vs Golf GTI vs Megane 225 Cup

No XR6T there. Remember, the XR5T is a hot hatch, and as such, should be compared to other Hot Hatches. Sorry, but an XR6T is not that. There is different engineering with both, and different market demographics. People wanting an XR5T want it for style, handling, ability to be quick when it needs to, and also to haul around a possible child or two - basically the Euro Chic young families.

I have owned a Ford, and now a Renault. At this stage I don't think I would ever own a Falcon or Commodore. That is just me. I'm sure alot of people here would think the same. They look at the XR5T because they are after a Hatch.


****EDIT****

Not sure why, but most (bar a few) Hot Hatches are European. For this reason, I think most people interested in an XR5T want a EUROPEAN car.