black eye for holden??? - Page 2

OzJavelin · 07-12-2006, 10:47 AM

The majority of people who would buy a Camry/Aurion don't give a hoot about cars anyway .. they just want their reliable a-to-b modes of transport. They are unlikely to buy a Commodore/Falcon 'cos a bit of styling/performance/"Image" would scare them. Just as an average Commodore/Falcon buyer is unlikely to buy a Camry/Aurion .... and no award is going to sway them on that. Toyota/Mitsubishi Australia can build everything except excitement ..

Stefan · 07-12-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

The majority of people who would buy a Camry/Aurion don't give a hoot about cars anyway .. they just want their reliable a-to-b modes of transport. They are unlikely to buy a Commodore/Falcon 'cos a bit of styling/performance/"Image" would scare them. Just as an average Commodore/Falcon buyer is unlikely to buy a Camry/Aurion .... and no award is going to sway them on that. Toyota/Mitsubishi Australia can build everything except excitement ..

I am a Ford die hard but would rather drive a Holden/Toyota/Mitsubishi than an AU Falcon......Thank god For the BA/BF

Auslandau · 07-12-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

P.S It seems to me that without the Holden brand to whine about, the Pub forum would cease to exist.... just Like locally made falcons will unless Ford pull their finger out give the larger public what they want.

Yes I know! The F6 and GTP, XR6T, XR5 Territory etc all not what the public want. Wish they would stop building these so I can buy a commode.

: If it wasnt for the other manifactuers, Ford would be crap, and vise versa. This is a Ford forum so the 'opposition' will always be discussed, negatively and very occasionly positive.

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Wally · 07-12-2006, 11:24 AM

Specific niche models aren't the problem. Ford sales are second rate because they aren't supplying a car and service the broader market wants, they have second tier sales people and exhausted the bodyline. I think Ford are also carrying historical baggage.

As far negativity about the Holden brand, well with a captive audience it hardly has any worth except for shallow back slapping.

Full Spectrum · 07-12-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

I am a Ford die hard but would rather drive a Holden/Toyota/Mitsubishi than an AU Falcon......Thank god For the BA/BF

You sound like my brother

.. He held onto too his EF till the BA came around

. But when he thought it was going too die he went and seen a holden dealers about a VY Equipe

Only because he didn't get finance on a BA XR6. And 6 weeks later they gave him the finance for a BA Fairmont same place.

bathurst77 · 07-12-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by clontarf_x

I suppose it's a wakeup call for Holden. Spent so much money on their cars and are still losing top awards to overseas-owned car makers.

At last count there were four "overseas-owned car makers" in Aust
Holden
Ford
Toyota
Mitsubishi

All building cars here, all foreign owned.
Elfin, are locally owned I think.

xe351 · 07-12-2006, 01:51 PM

do you suppose the ve recalls had anything to do with the result?

Abacus · 07-12-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bathurst77

At last count there were four "overseas-owned car makers" in Aust
Holden
Ford
Toyota
Mitsubishi

All building cars here, all foreign owned.
Elfin, are locally owned I think.

But Mitsubishi is on death row. Yes, its technically there. But for 800 cars a month, who cares?

Ford_Boy · 07-12-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

I am a Ford die hard but would rather drive a Holden/Toyota/Mitsubishi than an AU Falcon......Thank god For the BA/BF

i know a guy with a ford tatoo but he bought a vy ss because the ba was more expensive compared to the vy and the au looks ugly to him.

Dave_au · 07-12-2006, 03:02 PM

Here's the result - 380 nearly won it again

TheSneakiness · 07-12-2006, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Abacus

It wasn't Wheels COTY. It was the NRMA's selection for best large car.

I think some people are mixed up with COTY. The one Falcon Coupe mentioned was a different COTY...

And I don't take this award with the utmost importance. It's based on what old people wanna drive... :monkes:

Auslandau · 07-12-2006, 03:28 PM

Based on the fact that the 380 got a 9 for price! By giving them away doesnt make them more desirable!

Security was 6.....lots are being burnt by there owners and claimed on insurance!

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clontarf_x · 07-12-2006, 03:47 PM

I feel I need to clarify my earlier post. By overseas car maker, I mean't, one that isn't consdered by a layman as being "aussie owned". I.E Most people see the Holden and Fords as being Australian while the Toyota and all that are considered Asian/Imports.

I can't help the fact we all know better

mik · 07-12-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xe351

do you suppose the ve recalls had anything to do with the result?

don`t think so.

blutura · 08-12-2006, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

The majority of people who would buy a Camry/Aurion don't give a hoot about cars anyway .. they just want their reliable a-to-b modes of transport. They are unlikely to buy a Commodore/Falcon 'cos a bit of styling/performance/"Image" would scare them.

is that a fact?

and you've personally surveyed each and every one of them have you?

and all German's are nazi's too right?? and all arabs, terrorists?

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Just as an average Commodore/Falcon buyer is unlikely to buy a Camry/Aurion .... and no award is going to sway them on that.

The 'average' Commodore/Falcon buyer is the company fleet manager, and if they can get a better deal, on a cheaper car, thats more reliable and has better resale value, then they will take it.

Dave_au · 08-12-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Abacus

But Mitsubishi is on death row. Yes, its technically there. But for 800 cars a month, who cares?

Not entirely - Mitsubishi's import business of the 4wds and lancers has been quite profitable lately, and MMAL has been in the black from that.

Obviously the Tonsley Park operation is not contributing really to this profit but MMAL have managed to significantly get their costs down at that plant to the extent that they can rely on sales of approx 1000 vehicles per month.

From my recent understandings, Geelong had a greater risk of closure given the global position of FoMoCo, slowing sales, and development costs of the orion.

aualright · 08-12-2006, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

I am a Ford die hard but would rather drive a Holden/Toyota/Mitsubishi than an AU Falcon......Thank god For the BA/BF

You don't sound much of a die hard to me....I mean picking a Mitsubishi or Toyota over an AU.

By Mitsubishi, do you mean Magna? By Toyota, do you mean Camry or Avalon?

Diehard...I don't think so.

Full Spectrum · 08-12-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by aualright

You don't sound much of a die hard to me....I mean picking a Mitsubishi or Toyota over an AU.

By Mitsubishi, do you mean Magna? By Toyota, do you mean Camry or Avalon?

Diehard...I don't think so.

Smart die hard

I know of 2 people that are holden guys they support holden in motorsport 100% but both drive XR6T's.. It happens there's nothing wrong with it.

Ford_Boy · 08-12-2006, 02:42 PM

i cant believe the aurion got 9 for performance

Wally · 08-12-2006, 03:27 PM

You can't have seen the advert where the Aurion manages to out fox the helicopter crew playing spotlight tag. That alone was probably enough to convince the judges, that and the "technical" junkets to Japan.

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Poetic Justice · 08-12-2006, 04:13 PM

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i cant believe the aurion got 9 for performance

Driven one?

Doubt it.

Drove another Sportivo ZR6 today. Impressed.

Ford_Boy · 08-12-2006, 04:49 PM

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Driven one?

Doubt it.

Drove another Sportivo ZR6 today. Impressed.

your right but what would the xr6t get if it was there ?

Full Spectrum · 08-12-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

your right but what would the xr6t get if it was there ?

Lets be honest, If the whole range was there the Aurion and 380 wouldn't be in the contest

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As a base model the engine and tranny let the VE down. It should have the 195 and 5 speed..
But in my opinion when it comes too choice the falcon-commodore's have a greater choice over the range.

Aeron · 08-12-2006, 05:54 PM

The VE should have won. Not this Toyota garbage. The Aurion lacks any excitement whatsoever.

HOON69 · 08-12-2006, 05:56 PM

toyota deserve it they have a half decent car unlike holden and the toyotas safety and power and design isnt that bad as a overall package either..

good on em i say

Aeron · 08-12-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HOON69

toyota deserve it they have a half decent car unlike holden and the toyotas safety and power and design isnt that bad as a overall package either..

good on em i say

So you'd buy one would you??

Do you get a bage cardigan with it??

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Sorry, im not a fan of un-imaginative cars.

Full Spectrum · 08-12-2006, 10:08 PM

No he wouldn't buy one he just felt like bashing the VE:P

J_Tank · 08-12-2006, 10:31 PM

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Yes the 180 and 4 speed leave a bad taste in the mouth from sound wise. But the 195 and 5 speed are very much up too the job, And really should be on base models atleast as a option. But with more too offer across the board i felt it would win, I mean after all they have more then 1 engine and 1 tranny too offer

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holden offers "Trannys" with their cars? no wonder i drive a Ford

Full Spectrum · 08-12-2006, 10:32 PM

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holden offers "Trannys" with their cars? no wonder i drive a Ford

Let me know when i'm supposed too laugh ok

Danny · 08-12-2006, 10:40 PM

^^^

Shut up Holden, He's right, you couldn't call the 4L60E an Tranny... Especially in such a world class commodore that cost them 1 billion dollars...

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