First experience .. Vic law regarding passing emergency vehicle

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Hear a lot about Pusey, what about the guy who actually killed them, what did he plead and to what?

A Melbourne court has heard shocking texts from the truck driver who was high on ice and thought he saw a witch before ploughing into and killing four Victoria Police officers in April last year.

Mohinder Singh, 48, ploughed into the four officers near Kew on the Eastern Freeway on April 22 last year in what would become the single deadliest incident in Victorian Police history.

Singh entered guilty pleas to four counts of culpable driving causing death and six other charges in relation to the crash that killed Leading Senior Constable Lynette Taylor, Senior Constable Kevin King and constables Glen Humphris and Josh Prestney.

The officers had earlier pulled over Porsche driver Richard Pusey because he was allegedly speeding. Mr Pusey, who was urinating behind a barrier when Singh’s truck crashed through the emergency lane, later filmed the officers while they were dying.

In the Victorian Supreme Court on Thursday, prosecutor Brendan Kissane QC said Singh had not slept for more than a week and was so affected by drugs that at one point he “couldn’t even speak”.

https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...5e5f4d10e73ee8

[Mulva]

Why do people not listen to Steve...

https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...5e5f4d10e73ee8

SINGH:“Hi Simon I saw Steve last night ... I’m going through some hard times at home and other things. I need to come and speak to you about some of them. I don’t know who to tell the story to. I’m going to a doctor about it. When can I come see you.”

SUPERVISOR SIMON TUTERU:“Talk this arvo. I will be in office.”

SINGH:“Ok but Steve saids (sic) I’m not fit to drive.”

TUTERU:“Steve is NOT a doctor.”

SINGH: “Ok thanks.”

Just hours before the crash

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Mulva

Why do people not listen to Steve...

https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...5e5f4d10e73ee8



Just hours before the crash

Tuteru has been charged with manslaughter, Given the way the COR legislation is written, I suspect both he & the Transport Company will be in a fair bit of Trouble..

https://www.nhvr.gov.au/safety-accre...sponsibilities

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Mulva

Why do people not listen to Steve...

https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...5e5f4d10e73ee8



Just hours before the crash

Will this be covered under the workplace manslaughter charges?

Bloke should be held accountable. If a driver says he is unfit to drive you should listen. Steve is not a doctor

[Mulva]

When I read "...not a doctor" I can't help but hear it in my head like the bit that comes at the end of a Brooklyn Nine Nine episode

[Franco Cozzo]

Does it really surprise anyone though? Transport is just one of those industries where humans are considered cheap, are easily replaceable and are treated as such.

This will probably be the first time there's political will to investigate the industry a little deeper.

Though I doubt there'll be any meaningful change.

[M&Ms]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Though I doubt there'll be any meaningful change.

Of course not.

But the Porsche driver? Well well well, he drives a Porsche!... Fuel the lynch mob.

[Franco Cozzo]

Talking about drugs and transport - a bunch of blokes just parked outside of my office and started ripping nangs

If it's this blatant then what hope do you have.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Talking about drugs and transport - a bunch of blokes just parked outside of my office and started ripping nangs

If it's this blatant then what hope do you have.

You lucky they not sitting in the office with you.

[hayseed]

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021...trial-hearing/

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by hayseed

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021...trial-hearing/

I like the way that the media have appointed Porsche driver, very important that we mention that, Mr Pusey, the prestigious title of “Most hated man in Australia.” I’m sure that if a poll was taken amongst normal everyday Australians, we would find that he is certainly not the most hated man in Australia, however, the media know best and they must be right because they said it.

When the trial is underway for the real grub, the spotlight can be placed where it should be, however, with the nationality of the truck driver coming into question, and they will eventually pull the race card on this, that very spotlight may just turn into a Dolphin torch with a half flat battery.

[BENT_8]

Whether this Tuteru said Steve's not a doctor is irrelevant, if Singh thought he was unfit to drive he should have trusted his own judgement and refrained.
We must declare our competence at the beginning of every shift in accordance with heavy vehicle legislation. If were fatigued or unwell we dont drive.

Problem is, the way the transport industry works, as is evident by Tetura's response, Singh would have likely been given his marching orders so he's in a no win situation.
And lets be honest here, with unemployment on the rise and job vacancies declining, suggesting he should have walked is not an easy option to swollow.

As ive eluded to before, all this text book legislation sounds good in theory, and those entrusted with spreading the word will tell you its non negotiable, but thats just all fluff to be seen to be doing the right thing, at the coal face you get the type of response Tetura gave, just drive.

None of that excuses driving whilst impaired on ice but may explain why he was using it.

[Tonz]

we had the police pull up a car n boat trailer last night outside our block. The trailer had no lights.
I decided for a bit of fun, walked down the block a little got onto road then started walking towards them, as I approached I suddenly started running exclaiming all sorts of swear words.
police...'whats up mate?"
me " fart I am supposed to be doing 25 when I pass you, how the hell do I manage that?"

got a laugh.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I like the way that the media have appointed Porsche driver, very important that we mention that, Mr Pusey, the prestigious title of “Most hated man in Australia.” I’m sure that if a poll was taken amongst normal everyday Australians, we would find that he is certainly not the most hated man in Australia, however, the media know best and they must be right because they said it.

When the trial is underway for the real grub, the spotlight can be placed where it should be, however, with the nationality of the truck driver coming into question, and they will eventually pull the race card on this, that very spotlight may just turn into a Dolphin torch with a half flat battery.

I say BS to you.

Read the court transcript of the real grub as he filmed (and spoke about) the bodies of those that died.

If the law doesn’t sort this grub out, Karma will 👍

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

I say BS to you.

Read the court transcript of the real grub as he filmed (and spoke about) the bodies of those that died.

If the law doesn’t sort this grub out, Karma will 👍

Right so apparently because Mr Pusey filmed their dead/dying bodies he's actually worse than the glass BBQ enthusiast who actually killed them all?

In what world does that even make sense?

I'm with Full Noise here, sure Richard Pusey is a knob jockey but the person who actually killed all four police officers seems to be flying under the radar - even though you know, he actually killed all four police officers.

Of course it's because of the blokes name and skin color, it's easier to paint the well off white man with the chip on his shoulder as the evil doer here than the working class brown man doing glass BBQs to put food on his families table, even though the bloke KILLED FOUR PEOPLE.

Karma ain't working too well because he has a car worth as much as your house and 7 figures plus worth of properties to his name.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Right so apparently because Mr Pusey filmed their dead/dying bodies he's actually worse than the glass BBQ enthusiast who actually killed them all?

In what world does that even make sense?

I'm with Full Noise here, sure Richard Pusey is a knob jockey but the person who actually killed all four police officers seems to be flying under the radar - even though you know, he actually killed all four police officers.

Of course it's because of the blokes name and skin color, it's easier to paint the well off white man with the chip on his shoulder as the evil doer here than the working class brown man doing glass BBQs to put food on his families table, even though the bloke KILLED FOUR PEOPLE.

Karma ain't working too well because he has a car worth as much as your house and 7 figures plus worth of properties to his name.

Singh is not flying under the radar but will feel the force of the law for his actions and for old mate Pusey well he will get what he deserves for his lack of morality issues.
I honestly don't understand people like you or Full Noise standing up for the grub Pusey but then again I don't really care as I know this grub will get his just desserts.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Singh is not flying under the radar but will feel the force of the law for his actions and for old mate Pusey well he will get what he deserves for his lack of morality issues.
I honestly don't understand people like you or Full Noise standing up for the grub Pusey but then again I don't really care as I know this grub will get his just desserts.

What he did was very distasteful, but he wasn't the one who actually killed the four police officers.

But you're all talking about Mr Porsche Driver TM, you seem more concerned about the bloke with the Porsche who said some bad things and took some footage of dying people, rather than the bloke, who you know, is actually responsible for killing said dying people on camera.

There's much more bluster and discussion in this thread about Richard Pusey rather than Mohinder Singh.

Its typical of Melbourne though, killing people/being responsible for someones death is less offensive/distasteful than just saying offensive things about people or behaving in a manner some may find offensive - as long as you meet the criteria on heritage/skin colour and a name that's not of Western origins.

[LG17]

Both men deserve to face the full force of the law and be judged accordingly, but for different reasons.

[Falcon SXR8]

They are both ferals and don't deserve anyone to stand up for them. Pussy didn't just talk crap about cops down the local with his mates, what he did was far worse and absolutely disgusting. It goes without saying that old meth head who actually killed them is far worse and deserves everything he gets.

Its just amazing how two dead set knobs meet in these circumstances for a scenario like this to play out, I mean what are the odds? Unfortunately with the way society is today the odds are probably pretty good.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What he did was very distasteful, but he wasn't the one who actually killed the four police officers.

But you're all talking about Mr Porsche Driver TM, you seem more concerned about the bloke with the Porsche who said some bad things and took some footage of dying people, rather than the bloke, who you know, is actually responsible for killing said dying people on camera.

There's much more bluster and discussion in this thread about Richard Pusey rather than Mohinder Singh.

Its typical of Melbourne though, killing people/being responsible for someones death is less offensive/distasteful than just saying offensive things about people or behaving in a manner some may find offensive - as long as you meet the criteria on heritage/skin colour and a name that's not of Western origins.

Singh has stood up and admitted his responsibility to the accident and has not acted like the grub Pusey.
Singh will pay for his actions to the accident and Pusey will pay for his immorality of his actions, very simple when you look at it.
Cheers.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Singh has stood up and admitted his responsibility to the accident and has not acted like the grub Pusey.
Singh will pay for his actions to the accident and Pusey will pay for his immorality of his actions, very simple when you look at it.
Cheers.

Right so because he apologized and admitted to it, he's a better person than the guy who took video footage of dying people and made some smart *** remarks?

Did we forget the whole saw a witch thing and driving while under the influence of drugs?

He's taken responsibility for basically murdering four people - he's a better person because he said sorry and he didn't take video footage and say offensive things.

What ridiculous world do we live in where it's less offensive and more palatable to murder four people, compared to getting video footage of dying people and saying offensive things?

The only thing simple is your point of view.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

I say BS to you.

Read the court transcript of the real grub as he filmed (and spoke about) the bodies of those that died.

If the law doesn’t sort this grub out, Karma will 👍

Obviously you don’t have the intellect to separate what is not acceptable behaviour and what is against the law. When the police have to dig up a charge that's only ever been used six times just to pin something on him, you know that they’re clutching at straws. The fact that he pleaded guilty to it astounds me. Most likely advice from his lawyer to be seen in a favourable light before sentencing.

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Singh is not flying under the radar but will feel the force of the law for his actions and for old mate Pusey well he will get what he deserves for his lack of morality issues.
I honestly don't understand people like you or Full Noise standing up for the grub Pusey but then again I don't really care as I know this grub will get his just desserts.

Let me explain this is a way that someone with your cognitive ability can understand. I have never once stood up for My Pusey on a personal level, not in this thread or anywhere else. What I have stood up for is the law being applied properly and fairly to all of those involved. Just because Mr Pusey is an arrogant person of questionable character, does not mean that he doesn’t have the same rights under the law that anyone else has.

It amazes me how many simpletons here fail to understand that. The law is supposed to be applied fairly to everyone, not just for those people that the community see in an unfavourable light.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Obviously you don’t have the intellect to separate what is not acceptable behaviour and what is against the law. When the police have to dig up a charge that's only ever been used six times just to pin something on him, you know that they’re clutching at straws. The fact that he pleaded guilty to it astounds me. Most likely advice from his lawyer to be seen in a favourable light before sentencing.



Let me explain this is a way that someone with your cognitive ability can understand. I have never once stood up for My Pusey on a personal level, not in this thread or anywhere else. What I have stood up for is the law being applied properly and fairly to all of those involved. Just because Mr Pusey is an arrogant person of questionable character, does not mean that he doesn’t have the same rights under the law that anyone else has.

It amazes me how many simpletons here fail to understand that. The law is supposed to be applied fairly to everyone, not just for those people that the community see in an unfavourable light.

All you need to do is look at Victoria Police's ridiculous behavior over March to November 2020 and it's clear as day to see how laws are only applied to people depending on how the government and or public feels about a particular group.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What he did was very distasteful, but he wasn't the one who actually killed the four police officers.

But you're all talking about Mr Porsche Driver TM, you seem more concerned about the bloke with the Porsche who said some bad things and took some footage of dying people, rather than the bloke, who you know, is actually responsible for killing said dying people on camera.

There's much more bluster and discussion in this thread about Richard Pusey rather than Mohinder Singh.

Its typical of Melbourne though, killing people/being responsible for someones death is less offensive/distasteful than just saying offensive things about people or behaving in a manner some may find offensive - as long as you meet the criteria on heritage/skin colour and a name that's not of Western origins.

I'm sorry but I don't care whether he was driving a Porsche or a Camry.
To me that's irrelevant, what is relevant is his actions.
What sort of demented person stands by and films someones dying breath and says the things he says, regardless of if they were Police or a family of 4 walking along the path and hit by the truck.
Yes the truck driver killed them, but this guy had the opportunity to have some empathy, but no, all cared about was his car and look what you've done to it.
Another human being stopped and tried to cover the bodies and stop him filming, but this toss bag was having none of it and kept filming.
Come on, really, who does that?
It's just to do with human decency, empathy and having a soul, not some heartless MF who couldn't give a toss about a person dying right in front of them. A callous disregard for human life.
Clearly, as stated in Court by his lawyer, this guy has issues, but trying to blame it on some previously undiagnosed disorder is BS, he's just a self entitled oxygen thief.
The truck driver has put his hand up and pleaded guilty, and he has a whole lot of mitigating circumstances he could have used, but he didn't, he's copping it on the chin.
At least he's apologetic and remorseful for his actions.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jaydee

I'm sorry but I don't care whether he was driving a Porsche or a Camry.
To me that's irrelevant, what is relevant is his actions.
What sort of demented person stands by and films someones dying breath and says the things he says, regardless of if they were Police or a family of 4 walking along the path and hit by the truck.
Yes the truck driver killed them, but this guy had the opportunity to have some empathy, but no, all cared about was his car and look what you've done to it.
Another human being stopped and tried to cover the bodies and stop him filming, but this toss bag was having none of it and kept filming.
Come on, really, who does that?
It's just to do with human decency, empathy and having a soul, not some heartless MF who couldn't give a toss about a person dying right in front of them. A callous disregard for human life.
Clearly, as stated in Court by his lawyer, this guy has issues, but trying to blame it on some previously undiagnosed disorder is BS, he's just a self entitled oxygen thief.
The truck driver has put his hand up and pleaded guilty, and he has a whole lot of mitigating circumstances he could have used, but he didn't, he's copping it on the chin.
At least he's apologetic and remorseful for his actions.

Again - because Mohinder Singh, under the influence of drugs, (eventually) admitted to killing four people, this is less of a problem and is more palatable to you than the person who took video footage and said something in poor taste of the four dead/dying people Mohinder Singh killed?

It doesn't matter he's killed four people, all that matters is he said sorry for killing those four people.

Clown world - honk honk.

[jaydee]

Absolutely not, I think it tragic and abhorrent that this meth head was on the road and claimed four lives. If it weren't for his actions they'd still be alive.
But it's even more tragic that their lives had so little meaning to this A hole.
That is the issue being discussed here about Pusey and his conduct and people trying to deflect what he has done.
We all know and accept that the truckie is in the wrong and caused this tragedy.
No arguement.
It was just compounded by this clown.
Let me ask you this, was Pusey conduct acceptable and worthy of some sort of punishment?
I'm not calling for him to be hanged but he needs to be held accountable for his conduct.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Absolutely not, I think it tragic and abhorrent that this meth head was on the road and claimed four lives. If it weren't for his actions they'd still be alive.
But it's even more tragic that their lives had so little meaning to this A hole.
That is the issue being discussed here about Pusey and his conduct and people trying to deflect what he has done.
We all know and accept that the truckie is in the wrong and caused this tragedy.
No arguement.
It was just compounded by this clown.
Let me ask you this, was Pusey conduct acceptable and worthy of some sort of punishment?
I'm not calling for him to be hanged but he needs to be held accountable for his conduct.

Yet more people are making a huge song and dance over the bloke with the Porsche, the phone and the smart mouth rather than the bloke on the glass BBQs and actually killing the four people who feature In the video footage.

Doesn't make sense to me, while it doesn't make sense, it's entirely within my low expectations of our society that the average punter is going to have more of an issue about poor comments and video footage of the deceased, rather than the actions of killing them in the first place.

I'm going to specifically talk about Richard Pusey, his camera footage and his distasteful comments, the context I'm talking about is solely within this scenario rather than his actions in the lead up to the deaths.

My personal thoughts on the matter are while what Richard Pusey did was in poor taste, I don't believe he should be prosecuted under grounds of causing 'offense' - that's a VERY slippery slope because it creates wide reaching scenarios that are open to abuse for those with the power and inclination to take advantage of it.

If I was in the position where I could influence Victoria Police and easily have people charged on something as ridiculous as 'causing offence'/'outraging public decency' then I'd have all of my political opponents fronting magistrates with the intention of ruining them financially or having them held in custody until they get a court date.

You end up in the same situation that goes on in the UK that the pedo ring gets off scott free because it's a politically sensitive ethnic group responsible but the guy who teaches his dog a Nazi salute to make a joke for YouTube gets his door kicked in, convicted of hate crimes, sentenced and has his life ruined over a 2 minute clip on YouTube of his girlfriend's dog raising it's paw.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...-west-43478925

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...-west-46959556

If you value concepts such as freedom of speech that means you have to accept assholes like Richard Pusey will do/say distasteful things that you may not agree with.

There's much more at stake here rather than just a flog with a fancy car and a chip on his shoulder, my problem is here rather than with the personality involved in the Eastern freeway incident.

Framing this solely around Richard Pusey is small thinking, the consequences of heading down this path are wide reaching.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Obviously you don’t have the intellect to separate what is not acceptable behaviour and what is against the law. When the police have to dig up a charge that's only ever been used six times just to pin something on him, you know that they’re clutching at straws. The fact that he pleaded guilty to it astounds me. Most likely advice from his lawyer to be seen in a favourable light before sentencing.



Let me explain this is a way that someone with your cognitive ability can understand. I have never once stood up for My Pusey on a personal level, not in this thread or anywhere else. What I have stood up for is the law being applied properly and fairly to all of those involved. Just because Mr Pusey is an arrogant person of questionable character, does not mean that he doesn’t have the same rights under the law that anyone else has.

It amazes me how many simpletons here fail to understand that. The law is supposed to be applied fairly to everyone, not just for those people that the community see in an unfavourable light.

And here lies the problem with your view or mine justice will be be dealt with regardless what you or I think so get over it!
If you are astounded by the fact he is pleading guilty says little much of your knowledge of the law but a magistrate will decide his fate not the police.
In my eyes you are also another simpleton.

[jaydee]

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I don't see anything wrong with this toss bag being charged with his offensive conduct. Clearly the DPP agree there's enough evidence to get it to fly.


I'm out of this thread before this turns into a slanging match.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Bit rough, resorting to name calling.
Maybe some people just have a different view about what is acceptable in a so called civilised person.
I don't see anything wrong with this toss bag being charged with his offensive conduct. Clearly the DPP agree there's enough evidence to get it to fly.
And because you opinion differs I'll respect that, I won't call you out on it.
Each to their own.
I'm out of this thread before this turns into a slanging match.
Just be glad it wasn't a relative of yours he was making fun of in their last dying breaths.

Politically and emotionally motivated charges because it was a group of their own and they're going to make an example out of him, if it was myself, you and Full Noise who were the ones featuring in video footage and being abused as we lay dying/dead they wouldn't be chasing Richard Pusey to the end of the earth to get him on the charges he is facing.