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06-03-2011, 01:20 PM | #91 | |||
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Ford Au know where they stand and i am sure that they will pick back up soon as the new models come on line
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06-03-2011, 02:11 PM | #93 | |||
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do you look at the whole market place as a whole and different trends in different segments? how many commodores were being sold 10yrs ago? guess what, they are trending down as well. the slope may not be as steep but they are still trending down. the buying public are moving away from the larger cars and buying mid cars and suv's. like i said, look at the big picture. |
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06-03-2011, 03:33 PM | #100 | |||
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What strategies should they be adopting if not continuing with Falcon? |
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06-03-2011, 04:01 PM | #101 | |||
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IMO, Ford have death ridden the Falcon themselves with their choices, not offering XR8, not morphing the wagon into a more lifestyle vehicle (sportwagon or whatever) , forever delivering LPG and Ecoboost, and on and on. Sales figure in that segment may be dropping, but I can't accept where Falcon is right now is 'best effort'. |
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06-03-2011, 04:17 PM | #103 | |||
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My 'fork in it, shes done' comments is aimed purely at it being the last full Aussie Falcon. Not at pulling the model out of circulation right now. I'd love to have seen the Oz Falcon exported and embraced overseas, but that's not going to happen. So I rather effort now go into getting as much design content and contribution and secure manufacturing into whatever OneFord product we get instead. |
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06-03-2011, 04:22 PM | #104 | ||
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Ford are on extremely tight budgets at the moment, $230 million for Territory and FG II.
There's not a whole lot of room to move with that small amount of cash but I think that the cost of developing sport wagon far outweighed any potential return it would bring. Whining about sales and then suggesting $200 - 300 million versions is simply crazy. The only reason Holden developed VE Versions of Ute and Sportwagon was because they latched them to approved exports as Pontiacs that were subsequently canceled by GM NA, does anyone here think Holden would have developed those two models without exports? probably why Holden hasn't made a cracker since 2005, they spent it all on product that GM NA then turned around and canceled on them, so sad to see.... My hope is that Ford gets it head down and becomes as efficient as possible even if that means back ending costs like power train /electricals / suspension with next mustang to make the sums right, but also keep pushing all other products much more than they have in the past, that's the only way to change perception... Last edited by jpd80; 06-03-2011 at 04:34 PM. |
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06-03-2011, 04:29 PM | #105 | |||
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maybe buyers are giving up on Falcon much sooner Ford thought they would... Now that does raise a serious problem for Ford Austraila, is the Falcon becoming a great car that no one wants? |
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06-03-2011, 04:32 PM | #106 | |||
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06-03-2011, 04:36 PM | #107 | |||
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Ecoboost Mondeo now and skipped doing the Ecoboost Falcon altogether, allowing them to delivered EcoLPI to us by now and not lost as many sales. |
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06-03-2011, 05:14 PM | #108 | |||
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06-03-2011, 05:53 PM | #109 | |||
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it's getting more apparent that both cars have a lot more overlap than Ford cares to admit and if Ford could get a good Mondeo supply (something FoE cant give) I think Falcon would be in trouble. Perhaps our next local car should be Mondeo built alongside Falcon and Territory, the higher price point would more than justify it compared to the ill fated Focus plan. |
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You can only spin for so long, before you get dizzy. Falcon is in serious trouble and the next few months worth of releases for Falcon will no doubt determine if this generation Falcon sees out the planned model cycle in 2015/16 or if it will be cut short. BTW I'm not arguing that Commodores future is at present all rosey, just it has a longer stay of execution on current sales and on its export market potential. Dan |
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06-03-2011, 10:06 PM | #113 | |||
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Holden has had mega production and exports compared to Ford yet Ford has actually made smaller losses than Holden, what does that tell you? It all has to do with Holden running two shifts, before Cruze they were in queer street. Ford Austraila: 2005 Profit $148.2 M 2006 Loss - $40.3 M 2007 Loss -$87.2 M 2008 Loss -$274 M (-14) Only $14 M = automotive loss, rest = superannuation top up and redundancy for 600 workers. 2009 Profit $16.0 M TOTAL = LOSS $ 240 Million FG Falcon saw Ford turn the corner and become profitable again Holden 2005 Loss - $144.6 M 2006 Loss - $146.6 M 2007 Loss - $6 M 2008 Loss - $70 M 2009 Loss - $212 M TOTAL = LOSS $578 Million Up until 2010 VE Commodore hasn't returned Holden to profitability. So yes, Ford's management have done a great job in containing red ink, even when rightsizing the plant and topping up pensions are added in. BTW, GM hasn't topped up Aussie worker's pensions yet, world wide they are still around $17 Billion in the red in unfunded pensions. Last edited by jpd80; 06-03-2011 at 10:33 PM. |
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07-03-2011, 12:00 AM | #115 | |||
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superannuation top up as well
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07-03-2011, 12:00 AM | #116 | |||
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Holden needs Cruze to justify the second shift, without it the Commodore isn't viable, that's what GM told US Treasury in their sustainablilty plan whilst in Chapter 11. That's the problem, Holden is all geared up for higher production levels and cannot survive at lower rates, Ford can because they right sized their production to true market size. Some people on here still do not understand that you can make fewer cars and still be more profitable than the guy making twice as many but that stupid mentality is what sent GM broke in the states. This is "One Ford" proving that if you control costs and stop overproducing cars you can still make money. 2009 was one of Ford's lowest production years and they managed a profit, how was that possible? By controlling costs and making sure that every vehicle sells at a profit. Last edited by jpd80; 07-03-2011 at 12:16 AM. |
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07-03-2011, 12:19 AM | #117 | |||
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So Ford still has a foundry but not sure that billion dollar brake contract is signed yet... |
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07-03-2011, 11:36 AM | #118 | ||
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Just had a look at the vfacts, wow.......not good.
Ford actually only sold 1501 FG's, there's also 71 Wagon sales in the data (most have some old dealer stock floating around) They built 1870 FG sedans, more stock injected despite the down days. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the year. |
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