How do you rate the GT-F vs GTS?

[futura]

Sorry Alan D Segal for getting this thread off topic.

No can we all get back on the topic.. (including you Rodge)

[LoudPipes]

This argument about which car is best on a track is mute and becoming a bore.

None of these cars are track weapons and as such will all fall over very quickly.

For a car to track well many a mod is required to make them consistent and reliable, otherwise you spend most of your track day sitting and waiting in cool down mode, the HSV included.

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by futura

Sorry Alan D Segal for getting this thread off topic.

No can we all get back on the topic.. (including you Rodge)

Yes please that would be great. Given the title of the thread refers to two specific vehicles and not the only one Rodge cares to discuss at length.

Originally Posted by fgpsi

Who gives a stuff about the SRT Barge *** pos

Only Rodge it seems. Let's leave that out of this discussion

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]This argument about which car is best on a track is mute and becoming a bore.

Do you mean moot? It isn't just a dirty word because when you're referring to a debate it is actually pronounced differently

And the HSV is better on track with corners (and without) according to every journo review I've read on the topic - and that is comparing standard car to standard car. Obviously when mods are involved the sky is the limit if your wallet can handle it.

[2242100]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

This argument about which car is best on a track is mute and becoming a bore.

None of these cars are track weapons and as such will all fall over very quickly.

For a car to track well many a mod is required to make them consistent and reliable, otherwise you spend most of your track day sitting and waiting in cool down mode, the HSV included.

I think you might be right, but that said, I'd expect the HSV to outlast the others.

However all three are very good cars for real world on road driving.

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

Do you mean moot? It isn't just a dirty word because when you're referring to a debate it is actually pronounced differently

Yes, it’s the bottom of the class for me.
I’ll have my Secretary fired for the typing error.

[XBGTFGGTP]

Originally Posted by Rodge

responsef6 - Big difference between a blast at semi legal speeds on a back country road and track temps at maximum possible speed....but what does it matter nobody takes their car to the track right ?

Cars get a cool down period between dyno pulls and how long does each dyno run take, well and truly under 20 seconds.

What Ford said was the car would always make a minimum of 351 Kw's regardless of conditions, please cut and paste the rest of what they said from their press release as I think your recollection isn't an accurate one.

It was a hot day, (for N.Z) at Hampton Downs and yes futura that is standard practice but a line up of several SC FPV's all with their cooling fans at maximum attack was truly something to behold. They get extremely hot.
The only F6 they had there for comparative purposes boiled its coolant, (I wasn't surprised).

Rodge I can tell you now that 2 laps at full noise on a race track in any car will have them hot and bothered. The diff between even a mild race car and road car are worlds apart once you are hard on them.

My F6 3 laps of Pukekohe brakes toast, and Pukekohe is a lot easier on big cars than Hampton downs. I would love to see how your SRT is after 3 hard laps and how the temp's are and I bet you would be surprised.

When these journos do these days at race tracks what they never tell you is how many cars actually finish the day without having to be fixed, replaced or let sit to cool everything down before another hiding.

Of course all this stuff you find out by racing at a race track not from a magazine

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

Yes, it’s the bottom of the class for me.
I’ll have my Secretary fired for typing error.

Don't worry it is a common error among those who don't want to offend. Keep her around mate.

Originally Posted by XBGTFGGTP

Of course all this stuff you find out by racing at a race track not from a magazine

Exactly. Having said that, I'd expect the HSV to maybe do a lap or three more than the GT-F before it needed to stop.

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by XBGTFGGTP

Rodge I can tell you now that 2 laps at full noise on a race track in any car will have them hot and bothered. The diff between even a mild race car and road car are worlds apart once you are hard on them.

My F6 3 laps of Pukekohe brakes toast, and Pukekohe is a lot easier on big cars than Hampton downs. I would love to see how your SRT is after 3 hard laps and how the temp's are and I bet you would be surprised.

When these journos do these days at race tracks what they never tell you is how many cars actually finish the day without having to be fixed, replaced or let sit to cool everything down before another hiding.

Of course all this stuff you find out by racing at a race track not from a magazine

No question any of these performance cars get extremely hot after 2 laps let alone 3. All I'm saying is some people are silly enough to think is this environment the SC FPV engine will still be making max over-boost.
Quite obviously the ECU will be pulling over-boost and ignition timing to try and keep operating temperatures within normal parameters...for some strange reason this fact seems lost on many...probably all those that have never driven on a track in one of these cars.

[SensationFG8]

Originally Posted by Rodge

for some strange reason this fact seems lost on many...probably all those that have never driven on a track in one of these cars.

I think we simply disputed your "20 second" claim as mis-information more than anything...

[XBGTFGGTP]

Originally Posted by chopstar87

If the SRT8 beats the GTF, would you concede that the SRT8 is superior?

At the Moment how it stands

Features: SRT8 wins
Price vs GTF: SRT8 Wins
Performance vs GTF: to be confirmed

Let's see what happens

[Bent8]

I don’t think FPV was aiming to take on the GTS when they developed the GT-F and the large price disparity shows this.

Yes, the GTS is more track-oriented but I just can’t get over that silly design (the entire car is just a bad mix of curves and sharp corners).

Nice interior with high-tech features but a low tech power plant with an overstated power output that also likes a drink (avg 18L/100km)

That said, it is an excellent overall package but for some reason, the FPV appeals to me more (maybe it’s the blue blood running through my veins )

For me, the GT-F is more a grand tourer with over 400kW on tap... but add some sticky Pirelli’s and coilovers and you have a car that will hold its own against the GTS on the track. Then you can spend the money you saved over buying the GTS on fuel/tyres !

Regarding over-boost, I don’t think there is such a thing with the Miami motor, my belief is there is always optimal boost (404kW) available until ambient temps get too high and the ECU cuts boost. If we look at the dyno runs carried out by Motoring.com, the GT-F was run up 9 times and the boost never dropped off (avg 348.6rwkw).

I think that says something about how efficient the 5.0 is at making big power even though it lacks an intercooler.

In the end they are both great Aussie performance cars but the GT-F is my pick.

[Nikked]

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[1TUFFUTE]

I spose it shows how good the non inter cooled GT system is if it can outlast a less powerfull intercooled F6 that rodge saw.

Not to mention the multiple 9run dyno tests with ZERO heat soak. Any comment on these points rodge........as you don't seem to understand transient overboost.....despite owning a gt335.
Maybe you know about heat soak........or the fact that the heavier GTS will probably lunch it's softer tyres far faster then the harder Dunlops. If you check the hsv forums, guys at eastern creek and some others are barely getting 2 laps at max, or 20 min sessions in before the tyres(stock) just let go. Don't really see the point in all that track gear if the specially hsv hand picked tyres aren't up for it at the track.
There are many things these cars are great for.......extended track racing is not one. Maybe I'll look up some srt8 s just for giggles

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Nikked

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Great pic to show that it just isnt all about a poofteenth on the dyno.


All I would say is, GT is good enough and for the price. The package with looks and go to match for many is enough.

Wonder how many who are saying that 3 laps or so and the cars need a breather ....... how many have actually done track days?

My EF track car with Terri breaks runs all day with no drama's. Havnt taken the GT out yet but would raise an eyebrow if I only got a few laps out of it. The ones I have seen to do OK.

[Nova 8]

Originally Posted by Nikked

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Great looking car, love it in that colour. I like how the door handles are black rather than colour coded, orange brakes would look good too I think.

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

Who gives a stuff about the SRT Barge *** pos

I do. And mine is even a larger barge *** pos!

Don't mind Fords either funnily. ;)

Personal id like to compare which car would roll faster down a hill (the same hill, same day, same temp, same surface,....) , for 400m, from a standing start.

Take power out of it and let's see which crosses first!

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Great pic to show that it just isnt all about a poofteenth on the dyno.


All I would say is, GT is good enough and for the price. The package with looks and go to match for many is enough.

Wonder how many who are saying that 3 laps or so and the cars need a breather ....... how many have actually done track days?

My EF track car with Terri breaks runs all day with no drama's. Havnt taken the GT out yet but would raise an eyebrow if I only got a few laps out of it. The ones I have seen to do OK.

I've thought the same thing. Not so long ago the brakes and cooling and tyre tech was along way behind what it is now. But people still track dayed them.
Look at every single summernats......90% are way overpowered under cooled under tyred and get flogged from point to point half the day lol. It's not just the new vf GTS that has rights to lap a race track!

[XBGTFGGTP]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I've thought the same thing. Not so long ago the brakes and cooling and tyre tech was along way behind what it is now. But people still track dayed them.
Look at every single summernats......90% are way overpowered under cooled under tyred and get flogged from point to point half the day lol. It's not just the new vf GTS that has rights to lap a race track!

Summer nats different as you on and off not consistently up it.

[turbo4me]

Originally Posted by Rodge

No question any of these performance cars get extremely hot after 2 laps let alone 3. All I'm saying is some people are silly enough to think is this environment the SC FPV engine will still be making max over-boost.
Quite obviously the ECU will be pulling over-boost and ignition timing to try and keep operating temperatures within normal parameters...for some strange reason this fact seems lost on many...probably all those that have never driven on a track in one of these cars.

Hi Rodge,just out of curiosity have you ever taken any of your cars down a drag strip or around a race track?

[turbo4me]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Great pic to show that it just isnt all about a poofteenth on the dyno.


All I would say is, GT is good enough and for the price. The package with looks and go to match for many is enough.

Wonder how many who are saying that 3 laps or so and the cars need a breather ....... how many have actually done track days?

My EF track car with Terri breaks runs all day with no drama's. Havnt taken the GT out yet but would raise an eyebrow if I only got a few laps out of it. The ones I have seen to do OK.

Try taking a BA Turbo three laps around a track and you will find out...lol

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by turbo4me

Hi Rodge,just out of curiosity have you ever taken any of your cars down a drag strip or around a race track?

I havn't had too. I've had two days at Hampton Downs with the SC range when they were launched here, as a guest of Ford N.Z. and another day there as a guest of BMW N.Z. which was also a lot of fun. Why belt the life out of your own car when you can do it too others for free

N.Z. Herald's nostalgic reflections on the end of an era
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/n...ectid=11311147

Reasonably well written but I think they've called it a bit early as the final fling as I'm pretty sure there will be another special edition XR8 with much the same running gear.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Rodge

I think they've called it a bit early as the final fling as I'm pretty sure there will be another special edition XR8 with much the same running gear.

Really ? Do tell...
Plenty of other previous threads with comments from people working at ford AUS negating this.
What do you know that they don't ? Spill it !

[99AUXR]

I think their will just be one final sticker pack as ford close the doors.

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by Rodge

I havn't had too.

So the answer is 'no', and his net racetrack experience is two supervised drive days courtesy of car dealer networks, neither of which relates directly to the two cars this thread is about - GT-F and GTS. I'm sure I speak for more people than just myself when I say I'm sick of the posts about your Chrysler, which you haven't even driven on a track mate.

No thanks to you I can count around 20 or so posts on this thread about SRT8s or SRT8s vs GTFs etc. Since you've bought the thing all you've done is tried to say how good it is, and most of us frankly don't care. If you need to justify your purchase that's your problem. If you want to discuss its features and benefits go find some people (pro tip it probably isn't on a Ford forum - or at least not this thread) who are interested in the topic.

This thread is about GT-F vs GTS. It says that, pretty clearly I might add, in the title. If you want to talk about how you justify your purchase and how great it is, go start your own thread because in this thread it is completely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Grunter

I do. And mine is even a larger barge *** pos!

Well take it to another thread. Preferably the one where it is only you and Rodge talking about your chryslers.

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

Well take it to another thread. Preferably the one where it is only you and Rodge talking about your chryslers.

Settle Petal. Attempting to add humor and point out, amazingly, that some people can be Ford fans and also have interest in other makes/models.

However do agree this thread should be about it's title. Given the opportunity, I'd own a GT-F over a GTS with no second thoughts. So I guess I my case, I'd rate the GT-F over the GTS.

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

So the answer is 'no', and his net racetrack experience is two supervised drive days courtesy of car dealer networks, neither of which relates directly to the two cars this thread is about - GT-F and GTS. .

Three, can't you count and two of them were with SC FPV's that are virtually identical to the GT-F save for minor suspension and ECU recallibrations. Before that I have heaps of racetrack experience in my younger days as part of my involvment with the Auckland University motorcycle club with both 2 wheels and 4 at Pukekohe racetrack. No need to get your panities in a twist. Got your point about the thread title now take a chill pill.

[1TUFFUTE]

That took awhile
Soo many unanswered questions rodge...don't go

[futura]

Looks like its Game, Set and Match for this thread.

[LoudPipes]

I’m bored with the repetitive GT F versus GTS comparisons and happy to hear how they line up against the SRT8 for change.

It won’t be long until the SRT8 will be the only one still in production and therefore becomes more appealing to some performance car buyers who currently purchase Ford and Holden.

[Bent8]

Wait, don't close it yet... have a perve at these, the BEST LOOKING FPV GT EVER !!