SPOTTED --- Force 6 and Force 8 - Page 5

blutura · 24-10-2006, 11:25 PM

The Force 6/8 reminds me of the original T-Series cars. Understated muscle. Unfortunately for Ford everyone preferred their muscle to be overstated and wearing lairy plastic which is why the original T-Series bombed and the T3 was a winner. Interesting to see them come back to the understated idea now.

SpoolMan · 24-10-2006, 11:26 PM

Force 6 and Force 8 are stunning looking addition to the line up, I may have missed what is the pricing on these 2 cars.

HSE2 · 24-10-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

And to think you bought a BF? What was so good about it then compared to the 6.0L Holden?

You talk alot of **** mate, if it was good enough for you to buy a BF whats the big change all of a sudden, from my recollection the VZ LS2s were faster and had more power, begs to ask why didn't you buy one over the BF?

Well the first part is that the BF was then end result of FPV not going ahead with a GTHO. The deposit that was paid had an expiry date. At the time the deposit was made I made a commitment to the direction FPV were taking so true to my word and the contract the deposit defaulted to the next highest FPV model at the time of deposit expiry.

Now if you take a moment to read what I have said it actually has very little to do with Holden. It’s about providing an avenue to consumers to stay with in the FPV range of cars. Again and for your benefit and taking FPV’s statements at face value that F6 buyers aren't V8 consumers, where has the reason to upgrade come from. We have sat through how many V8 models now? How many times have you read where owners have stated it’s not enough for me to consider a trade?

That’s the issue right there. People would rather consider transmission surgery then spending the money with Ford. Buy pod gauges or upgrading the stripe package. There is only one person talking **** here mate!

The post you have decided to quote had a smiley notion. Perhaps you should have looked at exactly what it stood for before making such a rubbish reply.

The post asks the question if we have gone this long at what has been considered a very successful period of sales, why is there the automatic assumption that the next model gains power? Why? Just because it’s new? History has told us that doesn’t always work.

It could be argued that E series received no power increase and seeing as you are such a Holden expert I will leave you to work out how that might be possible!

b2tf · 24-10-2006, 11:39 PM

thanks for the better pics aeron! they look SENSATIONAL! I love the idea of this and to be honest if i was in the situation of choosing a GT/Phoon or one of the Force models I would have a very hard time doing so. And I think the Force would come out on top. I love the subtle look of it, thats utter class to me.

Well done FPV!

HSE2 · 24-10-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss 290

where do you get you facts from? how would you know if ford dont get more power or torque...maybe they will have the same power but lose 300 kilos we dont know so how would you know?

Obviously you also missed the point and the icon!

FPV rightly or wrongly have a business plan they are working to. It’s certainly not a conventional one and given the stated FPV directive back in 2002, not one that would deliver what was being promoted at the time.

The media and owners in general have pretty much stated there needs to be improvements but yet nothing has happened. The few posts that have suggested BF FPV MK2 as being a car to stay away from have done so based on the assumption that the new model will contain engine improvements. Sounds like a safe assumption doesn't it? But why? Strictly by the numbers neither Ford nor FPV are embarrassed, provided FPV come out with the claims and the stories that need to be told and get those messages across. Many have argued that FPV have gone to market leadership by diversification and subtle refinement. Why can’t that continue and if it can’t at what point does change become not only desirable but essential. Many would argue that that point is considered well over due. I know two previous owners that looked at BF and went else where because the changes weren’t sufficient. I know many owners that have decided to hang on to their GTs longer then they normally would for exactly the same reason. Each situation represents lost potential or a conquest sale opportunity. Once that happens there is no guarantee that that sale can be returned. The question is money. We have seen what HSV paid to deliver E series and they have an established export market and donor engine program. It’s a very tough situation to be in.

Now what you missed in my post is that when the LS1 was launched Holden claimed that they went with 250kws because the market demanded it. Every time there is a change or upgrade, it is because the owner group asked for it. Supposedly we haven't asked for it because we are very happy to see the GT unfairly portrayed in both dialogue on the net and car reviews. Its not fan boy stuff. 20 nm upgrade for E series was met with disappointment by the fan boy fraternity because it wasn’t the head line stuff of the last 5 years. Those days are gone forever but when a product is demonstrated to have specific performance deficiencies there needs to be a correction in line with market expectation.

**Polyal** · 25-10-2006, 12:08 AM

At the end of the day it comes down to what holden and ford have done for the past 5 or so years, try to change with the least amount of $$$.

FPV, from what I can remember, isn't doing to badly in the sales race; does anyone have any exact figures?

They knew what the VE was coming out with, and they also knew that in reality they can do nothing about it. The GM/Holden relationship is alot nicer than that of FoA and the US. This is ultimately where the problem lies. Hopefully this will change, it has to.

Ford cannot possibley challange the LS2 for outright pace, so they focus on other areas. Thats not to say that the BOSS is slow, its not, you get a bloody good car for the $$$.

Anyway back to the Force.....or maybe the way this thread has gone is a reflection of the car....over it already.

Boss 290 · 25-10-2006, 12:11 AM

hse2...so basically your saying fpv will never change because everything is working for them and they will wait til sales drop?

im not over the force they look hot and offer a classy car for people who like the grunt but not the flare

barthez · 25-10-2006, 12:14 AM

aeron they are the cars that were in wollongong today...same colours and all...GT looked and sounded the goods....they were taking shots and videos of the GT when it was driving around....heard the guy give it some stick wen i drove past him in the other direction....sounded amazing!!!

YuGoStaR · 25-10-2006, 12:20 AM

Now eventhough I like the car, I believe the market for these vehicles is too small of a niche to warrant producing this addition to the line up. There wont be many sales, and I think it will end up dying off.

Toxic Beast · 25-10-2006, 12:20 AM

looks like santa is driving those cars..

Boss 290 · 25-10-2006, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by fprxr6

looks like santa is driving those cars..

at least santa is driving for ford....must be why he is on time every year...his car is reliable lol

Toxic Beast · 25-10-2006, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Boss 290

at least santa is driving for ford....must be why he is on time every year...his car is reliable lol

hahaHAHA.. wasn't expecting any comments on my stupid line =p

ED Classic · 25-10-2006, 12:32 AM

I agree with HSE2

Boss 290 · 25-10-2006, 12:35 AM

did anyone click on the link that came with those posted pictures....the force 8 looks so good on the side view

RPO83 · 25-10-2006, 12:41 AM

This thread has been an interesting read!

theboss290 · 25-10-2006, 12:47 AM

Chrome Hmmmmmmmm ;) I like

Boss 290 · 25-10-2006, 12:56 AM

i hope fpv have done something to the low down torque and increased the rev range on the boss 290...in my eyes that would be the perfect soloution to a minor update on the falcon...they look hot

CSV_LS1 · 25-10-2006, 02:18 AM

I quite like the force models.

Black Force 8 :sm_drool:

The grey foglight cover on the phoon is aweful.

Muscle_Inc · 25-10-2006, 02:25 AM

Today i spotted a Force 8 on the M5!! At first i thought from a distance it was a bf gt but the rear bumper looked different and the badging font didnt seem correct so it had got me baffled. Eventually though it drove past me and it was a Force 8 black in colour with vic number plates.

I must say in black it looked very sharp, kinda reminded me of james bond looking very smart in a tuxedo with all the necessary gadgets! I think the badging font makes the car look more elegant compared to the everyday badging were used to seeing on ford and holdens luxury models.

If anything would of been nice if ford did a little bit more exterior wise to differentiate them from the typhoon and gt cause looking at it from some angles there similiarities are nearly identical.

I dont think we want these cars to pump out more power or be quicker for that matter than the F6 and GT do we? Maybe a diff ratio change or CAI just to give them slightly more poke could or would be sufficient?

I wonder how the Force 8 and GT-P compare with features with both offering all the luxury creature comforts? Nonetheless well done to fpv for offering a more luxury, punchier model to the everyday fairmont ghia's were used to seeing!

CSV_LS1 · 25-10-2006, 02:36 AM

Is there actually a gt-p available anymore? It seems that the GT was already close in spec with the gt-p and the force 8 is pretty much a gt-p spec car.

AU-MUSTD · 25-10-2006, 05:41 AM

I think it's a poor effort for a niche that doesnt really exist. Would have been cheaper and easier to offer the 290 option on fairmont ghia as a package with suspension, wheels and brake upgrade. Looks like someone has just mocked up there xr with cr2 style bodykit. Definate thumbs down from me.

banarcus · 25-10-2006, 05:46 AM

Hmm re the discussion about the future of FPV engine outputs, do you think that the do gooders scared Ford/FPV into doing a "lets just tell them its 290kW/550nm even though it has more" approach? It wouldn't surprise me that one day they will start doing this.

Also, the badge font looks like a thing that looks like it should be on that iosis concept. Perhaps thats slated for orion too?

HSE2 · 25-10-2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AU-MUSTD

I think it's a poor effort for a niche that doesnt really exist. Would have been cheaper and easier to offer the 290 option on fairmont ghia as a package with suspension, wheels and brake upgrade. Looks like someone has just mocked up there xr with cr2 style bodykit. Definate thumbs down from me.

I wouldn't go that far. I question the timing of it. It’s a packaging exercise and as such the cost of the project is still very high, but for such a small volume why has it taken so long? This car should have been ready for the launch of the BF given the lack of engineering progression. It will be very interesting to see if there is a suspension change of any description.

The force 6 builds on Fords strengths and provides owners of F6s, who might have been forced to compromise slightly, a chance to re evaluate.

4Vman · 25-10-2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

What makes you think Orion gets anymore power? It doesn't. FPV have listened to flappist and people like him and have decided there will be no improvements- ever. The logic is simple. If people still buy cars that essentially offer little in way of improvement after 2 years then 4 years why not extend that out to 10 years. Think of the money they will save. The reason why there haven't been any changes is that not enough people have demanded it. There will not be any changes until there is demand for it. If BF2 is great and it sells in numbers expect to see 290 bonnet decals for the foreseeable future. Any attempt to move will bring out the ire of the RVCOBH.

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Yes, and this is exactly why we're seeing no more performance improvements, sales are strong, and have continued to keep improving, FPV will be thinking why fix something that in the eyes of the consumer isnt broken? why offer more if people arent demanding it? if sales are strong then FPV will see this as the key indicator that the product is right.
Im split down the middle on this, as a one eyed Ford performance vehicle enthusiast this is frustrating, i like to see continual improvement, even if there's nothing wrong with the current offering.
On the other hand as someone who has to deal with sales and manufacturing economics every day it makes perfect sence.... I just hope they're close enough to the market to react should consumers look for more...

Force 6/8 look to me like a couple of weeks playing mix and match at the parts dept, im really struggling with the timing of it all...

jimmy_c · 25-10-2006, 08:42 AM

Some interesting points rasied here but I can see how you guys are upset we didnt get "something spectacular" I am too disapointed with this but its the same over in the holden camp when the new GTS was released.

Badges and bodykit nothing else. and this seems what the force cars are. The major misleading part is calling the Force 8 a force 8 when there is no sign of forced induction yet the Foce 6 has a turbo.

FPV what are you doing ?

Gadgetman · 25-10-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmy_c

Some interesting points rasied here but I can see how you guys are upset we didnt get "something spectacular" I am too disapointed with this but its the same over in the holden camp when the new GTS was released.

Your nearly right. GTS does add 20"s and the new wizz bang suspension electro hows it goin

Peztacular · 25-10-2006, 10:01 AM

This is typical of australian booner motoring tastes, FPV try to do something subtle for a different target market and everyone starts freaking out. There are alot of people who drive australian performance cars who idea of a good weekend isnt standing on top of a mountain in october. Do you hear anyone complaining of the lack of whaletale spoilers and model differentation on E63 AMG's or M5 BMW's. The fact that european cars have amazing performance comes down to a very simple thing its called money. They invest massive amounts of money and sell for top dollar over a huge marget. If you want big performance and top dollar resale go euro end of story. If you want a car that stands out offers good performance, driveabilty and value for money buy an australian "muscle car" like FPV or HSV and be happy with what you get, if you want more performance from you GT or Clubsport get a repitable shop to do modifications for you, you will get a lot more joy then praying for FPV or HSV to do you a favour.

LeadFoot81 · 25-10-2006, 10:46 AM

Guys I, like most of the people on this thread, am very dissapointed with these cars. After all the hype that was built up on the forums I expected some crazy GTHO/twin turbo/10 sec quarter beasts.

Instead FPV have finally released luxury cars for their lineup that shouldve been there all along. These cars are fantastic, and are exactly whats missing from FPV's lineup. If the Fairlane had done better for Ford, maybe there'd be long wheelbase Force 6 and 8s as well.

We all got pretty excited wondering/hoping what the name Force indicated, but thats our fault. Ford have started to go the sophisicated/techno/euro/luxury route with their cars. Look at the new Ghia (finally worthy to wear the badge again) the Territory Ghia Turbo and now the Force 6 and 8.

I don't give a rat's about 0-100 and quarter mile times compared to a HSV, I want super luxury and plenty of power and thats what these cars offer. Hopefully with the release of Orion the GT and (GTHO?) will be all about blistering performance, and the Force's all about luxury and sophistication.

I like where Ford and FPV are going, I want luxury and subtle euro muscle, while my mates want crazy colors and stripes. Now were all happy. For the record FPV, I would buy a Force 6 over a Typhoon. Im 25, self employed and I want luxury now!

kinksta · 25-10-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Inline6

I want super luxury and plenty of power and thats what these cars offer. Hopefully with the release of Orion the GT and (GTHO?) will be all about blistering performance, and the Force's all about luxury and sophistication.

dude, just you wait for the new HSV Grange!!!

GlennBA · 25-10-2006, 11:16 AM

I must say the grey foglight surrounds look so much nicer than the horrible body coloured ones. They always reminded me of a hyundai or something...

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Originally Posted by Boss 290

at least santa is driving for ford....must be why he is on time every year...his car is reliable lol

lol he obviously isn't driving a ba xr6 turbo then..
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