2018 Ranger Raptor - Page 7

barra240t · 06-10-2017, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Maybe it will in 12 months .....

Doubt it very much, Ecoblue single has only just come out with no information relating to a twin turbo. The only this in Ford with 2 turbo is......a V6.

Another thing, the video sounded 100% like a petrol engine.

Vesper Martini · 06-10-2017, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

"Under the bonnet will be an engine with mumbo. Our photographer said it sounded very similar to an EcoBoost V6 F-150 – and that makes sense, given Ford has recently updated this engine for the F-150 Raptor to pump out 336kW of power and 690Nm of torque.
The big F-150 uses the 3.5-litre EcoBoost V6 mated to a co-developed gearbox with GM, a 10-speed automatic." and Australia gets a 4cylinder !!!!
http://www.caradvice.com.au/558226/2...n-waiting-for/

If the Photographer said its sounded like the V6 F-150. then that's good enough for me.

Bossxr8 · 06-10-2017, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

I agree 100%. My main aim of my comment was to point out that people have been brainwashed with the idea that manufacturing is no way sustainable in Australia due to wages. Just proves the age old of blaming unions for everything and apparently "extremely" high wages for end of manufacturing is just utter rubbish. Just small minded people that believe what they read in the Herald Scum. With proper tariffs, reduction enivro, taxs etc like you have mentioned and no trade deals to create a level playing field. Australian manufacturing is perfectly still viable and will always be. With the proper measures in place there is not reason why the ranger could have been built in Broadmeadows and falcon production ended either way due to lack of demand. This goes for all manufacturing across the board, not just automotive. Off shoring local jobs, in favor of bigger profits and greed is killing the country.

Ford ran the numbers to see wether it was viable to build Ranger at Broadmeadows and it wasn't even close. The problem is production capacity that is too low. The big mega factories in Europe, Asia and the US can build 2-3 times as many cars a year as Broadmeadows could, which means greatly reduced build costs per unit.

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Hmmm Germany, France, great Britain, USA all have wages, taxes, compliance costs etc that we have. They seem to manage paying their workers a living wage.

As above, they have massive economies of scale which makes them much cheaper to build. But yes wages in countries like Germany etc are actually higher than what they are here.

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Nor does a small capacity turbo, lets use the term performance pretty loosely in this case. Performance can mean many things to different people.

But, in a ute/truck the last thing IMO owners want is the feeling of multiple gear change to mask the smaller engines. When you hit the go pedal you want grunt, not it dropping 3 gears and revving its lungs out.

Sounds like a cracking engine for a fiesta or focus though.

The good modern multi speed autos are so bloody good you don't even feel them shift, and the gaps between gears are so small you don't notice the engine change either.

**Fordman1** · 06-10-2017, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by barra240t

Doubt it very much, Ecoblue single has only just come out with no information relating to a twin turbo. The only this in Ford with 2 turbo is......a V6.

Another thing, the video sounded 100% like a petrol engine.

Let's see what happens in 12 Months.

I think I may be right - we could bet Avatars if you like

Mercury Bullet · 06-10-2017, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Their industries produce volumes that dwarf ours. That sort of economy of scale means they can afford to.

We also had a ridiculous situation where the industry was in clear economic retreat, yet wages and conditions kept improving. Imagine the state of our economy if resource companies had to still keep paying the sorts of rates seen at the height of the boom.

Yep all I'm saying is wages had nothing to do with manufacturing disappearing from our shores.

It was political ideology...on both sides.

Mining (in wa) haven't decreased wages at all. What happened here is the construction ended.
Truck drivers are getting 150k.

Ben73 · 06-10-2017, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by steve.zissou

drive a 3.5 EB f150 and you will spit on your diesel ranger. 0-60mph (96kmph) 6 seconds.

ranger 3.2 0-100 12 seconds

10.5 seconds if you build up the turbo before letting off the brake.

But yeah it's pretty pathetic that ute owners are forced into a lo po diesel here.
I sort of regret buying mine more and more everyday.
Hoping the Ranger Raptor will show the companies that some people still want decent engines and not everyone wants a 4 cylinder diesel.

tranquilized · 07-10-2017, 09:22 AM

3 out of 4 VW Amarok sales are V6 models in Australia.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news...most-expensive

Mercury Bullet · 07-10-2017, 01:13 PM

Could that be VW diesels being toxic (no pun intended) though?

ute429 · 08-10-2017, 06:48 AM

Wonder what motor will be in the 2018 Superute series duel cabs?

Looking on Supercars website they are touting 340bhp (255kw), 500ft/lb torque from production engines with a controlled gearbox and diff.

Could that much be squeezed out of a 2ltr tt diesel?

Sounds more feasable from the 3.2 IMHO

jpd80 · 08-10-2017, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Putting a powerful motor in a duel cab doesn't make it a performance vehicle. Still drives like a boat but uses more fuel.

The as Ford put up seemed more like the raptor was more of an off-road vehicle then a performance vehicle (which seems to be more popular now with the mods going on with duel cab Utes and 4x4 vehicles).

Sorry, late to the debate here, I think some might be confusing some of the
gasoline powered Ranger mules for Ranger Raptor we'll see here in Australia.

I'm curious about Ford's plans regarding the V6 Powerstroke going into F150 next year,
Ford had the '18 F150 owners manual upon the net for a while and the little V6 and 10AT
had a tow rating of 12,000 lbs... if for was to put that in the Ranger as a Puma 3.2
replacement, I think it would have bags of power and suit perfectly as an offroad Raptor.

A petrol 4x4 drinks fuel, and you'd have to have a strong disposition to even consider one
but then again, people buy those huge Grand Cherokees with the 6.4 Hemi V8...

naddis01 · 08-10-2017, 12:31 PM

Interesting ^^^. What are the specs of the powerstroke?

eb2fairmont · 08-10-2017, 04:43 PM

It's simple for raptor.

It's a performance vehicle. People want a performance orientated dual cab. When I heard that the Amarok was getting v6 it was enough to pique my interest to look at one.

If raptor has a 4 banger it's going to be viewed as a sticker pack. Doesn't matter how shiny the shocks are, it's just not going to be considered a performance car. Full stop.

If it's a hotted up 3.2 or ecoboost v6 option then people will be interested.

Given it's going to be a 10-20 k increase on wild track that buys a fair bit off off-road toys.

Falcon SXR8 · 08-10-2017, 08:41 PM

Are we really calling dual cab utes " performance vehicles " now ?? What a time to be alive

tranquilized · 08-10-2017, 11:09 PM

It would seem that for most people the definition of "performance" is acceleration times, nothing else.

Vesper Martini · 09-10-2017, 11:29 AM

Seems the Raptor is good enough performance vehicle for Ken Block
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ct4PwI7FGA

Performance is not just about acceleration, but it helps

**DJR-351** · 09-10-2017, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Seems the Raptor is good enough performance vehicle for Ken Block
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ct4PwI7FGA

Performance is not just about acceleration, but it helps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lOaxQu5PgQ

Bossxr8 · 09-10-2017, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Are we really calling dual cab utes " performance vehicles " now ?? What a time to be alive

Off road performance vehicles they should be called.

No high ride vehicle is going to be a good handler, just like no low slung performance coupe or sedan is going to last 50 metres off road without having the front bar ripped off and sump smashed. Horses for courses.

FlipXW · 09-10-2017, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Are we really calling dual cab utes " performance vehicles " now ?? What a time to be alive

Performance relative to the other options available in the segment. A bloke with a 911 would probably laugh at people calling a Falcon or Commodore a performance car.

Mercury Bullet · 09-10-2017, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FlipXW

Performance relative to the other options available in the segment. A bloke with a 911 would probably laugh at people calling a Falcon or Commodore a performance car.

You may well be surpised, ive seen a carrera gts against a gt-f on country roads.

It's not pretty when you think of dollars spent.

Race track different story sure, but to under estimate the last Australian cars would be a mistake.

FlipXW · 09-10-2017, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

You may well be surpised, ive seen a carrera gts against a gt-f on country roads.

It's not pretty when you think of dollars spent.

Race track different story sure, but to under estimate the last Australian cars would be a mistake.

Mate I'm not doubting that. I love my Falcons, it just seems to many people on this forum think they are the only car that should exist.

eb2fairmont · 09-10-2017, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

It would seem that for most people the definition of "performance" is acceleration times, nothing else.

Never seen a performance vehicle ever marketed without some sort of special engine.

Its like buying a golf gti or focus rs and getting the 110 tdi motor or 1.5 turbo motor respectively.

**DJR-351** · 10-10-2017, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

It would seem that for ~~most~~ some people the definition of "performance" is acceleration times, nothing else.

Corrected for truth......

Vesper Martini · 10-10-2017, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

You may well be surpised, ive seen a carrera gts against a gt-f on country roads.

It's not pretty when you think of dollars spent.

Race track different story sure, but to under estimate the last Australian cars would be a mistake.

I had a quick look at the n/a Carrera GTS 0-100 specs and its 4 secs
Pretty sure that's quicker than the GT-F, and I struggle to see how the Falcon could beat it in any other aspect.

Sure there's a price difference, but they are not in the same league.

Lets not ruin the last Falcon reputation by making such claims

barra240t · 10-10-2017, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Are we really calling dual cab utes " performance vehicles " now ?? What a time to be alive

Yeah, we are. At least we have something "performance" wise in coming for the Ford brand still (plus ST/RS/Mustang etc)

Could be worse, you could be dead.

Nu66et · 10-10-2017, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I had a quick look at the n/a Carrera GTS 0-100 specs and its 4 secs
Pretty sure that's quicker than the GT-F, and I struggle to see how the Falcon could beat it in any other aspect.

Sure there's a price difference, but they are not in the same league.

Lets not ruin the last Falcon reputation by making such claims

Performance from a standstill and handling would be in the Porsches favour, but the rolling/overtaking performance of the Ford would be pretty handy, as well as its handling over rougher surfaces.

Bossxr8 · 10-10-2017, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

Never seen a performance vehicle ever marketed without some sort of special engine.

Its like buying a golf gti or focus rs and getting the 110 tdi motor or 1.5 turbo motor respectively.

Ever heard of the Golf GTD? Or the Ford Focus ST diesel?

Yes they exist, although they got the best 2 litre diesel's available and not the entry level 1.5's.

Mercury Bullet · 11-10-2017, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I had a quick look at the n/a Carrera GTS 0-100 specs and its 4 secs
Pretty sure that's quicker than the GT-F, and I struggle to see how the Falcon could beat it in any other aspect.

Sure there's a price difference, but they are not in the same league.

Lets not ruin the last Falcon reputation by making such claims

Please read what I wrote.

It seems you missed the part about country roads and the other part about racetracks.

Mercury Bullet · 11-10-2017, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nu66et

Performance from a standstill and handling would be in the Porsches favour, but the rolling/overtaking performance of the Ford would be pretty handy, as well as its handling over rougher surfaces.

Exactly.

But it seems people can't read. Nowhere did I say the gt-f will beat a 911.
The anti Australian crowd are alive and well.

Vesper Martini · 11-10-2017, 01:58 PM

I think you just need to watch some of the Australian Targa to see how well Porsche does on "Australian" country roads compared to the local cars.

If you mean Gravel roads when you say country, well the car with the best suited tyres wins.

as for overtaking & mid range the Porsche would still be quicker

nothing anti Australian, it just is what it is.

naddis01 · 11-10-2017, 02:04 PM

So... That Ranger Raptor hey.? Any other news?