Purely Speculation

[Eu-GenixX]

Hey guys.. this is purely just a wild thought i had recently...

but does anyone know.. of even think they know if you can put a BA engine into an AU... and if so.. can you run it with the AU ECU... using the flash tuner to is full capabilities... ie.. Dual VCT?... or is that limited to the ecu itself so an ecu upgrade would be needed if dual vct control is wanted?

just some crazy thoughts i've had recently.. and would like to here what other have to say and think about it....

Thanks
Trent

[Eu-GenixX]

oh.. also probably a conversion to manual gearbox at the same time...

[FGII-XR6]

search throuch the threads and there is one on this subject

[b2tf]

FTG attempted this and as far as i know, have put it on the backburner for now.

[Eu-GenixX]

yeah i know FTG put a BA motor into an AU... and they got it running.. but that was the last i heard about it...

i was in the process of putting a BA motor into my old EA.. but lost my job... just after i'd bought the engine.. so ran out of funds to complete it.. so sold everything off including the car.. and now have an AU.. so looking for possible mods for the next 12-24 months...

[sfr rob]

save your hard earned and by a BA.

[Eu-GenixX]

why does everyone suggest things like that...

if i wanted a BA.. i would buy a BA.. BA's are overwieght...

[schuldiner]

Originally Posted by Eu-GenixX

why does everyone suggest things like that...

well it is the most logical thing i dont know much about the differences between the two models, but as a general rule they are not a hell of a lot different, just makes life easier (and probably cheaper) to upgrade 1 model as opposed to putting that engine in a car thats only a couple years behind. the BA engine into the EA, that works well because of the huge difference. IMO

[Eu-GenixX]

the BA engine into an AU just seems a lot easier.. with use of the capa flash unit..

engine management was proving a bit of an issue in the EA project.. from what i've gathered so far.. the BA engine seems to fit pretty well into the AU.. even plugging into AU wiring etc... but as i said.. just an idea atm... i'm also after something a little different.. coz i'd be looking at putting a turbo motor into it.. an n/a motor just wouldn't have the gains needed for such an over the top switch....

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by sfr rob

save your hard earned and by a BA.

why don't people read the thread this guy did not want advice on buying a BA I'm sure he knows how to do that

Originally Posted by schuldiner

well it is the most logical thing i dont know much about the differences between the two models, but as a general rule they are not a hell of a lot different, just makes life easier (and probably cheaper) to upgrade 1 model as opposed to putting that engine in a car thats only a couple years behind. the BA engine into the EA, that works well because of the huge difference. IMO

this is about people wanting to be different maybe he prefers the AU shape (as do I ) but wants some BA refinements. so if you have any input on the subject at hand do so but if you love the BA so much then buy your own and go to the BA forum and leave us to mod our AUs the way we want to. your buy a BA posts are not welcome and only serve to tick people off

[Eu-GenixX]

that about sums it up.. .thanks..

i want something different.... and a BA still costs over 10k... a turbo BA considerably more then that.. i'm confident the cost of this conversion would come in much less then either option...

[JC]

Anything can be done with the right $$$$. But it would be easier just to buy a BA, which is really just what would have been the AV anyway, or perhaps AU series IV. Now, I'm not saying you should buy a BA, just that doing so would give you the running gear you desire, in a package not so different from an AU.

I doubt the AU ECU would run the dual VCT, so perhaps you could run the BA block with AU head, but then you may as well just fit the BA Turbo pistons and rods as they're really the only parts that are a lot stronger than stock AU internals.

For better power out of an AU, take your conversion money to someone like Jim Mock for NA, or Snort for turbo/supercharger. Or just wait for Nudge's car to come up for sale and buy that.

[Jimmysxr]

it may be the logical thing to do but i reckon putting the xr6t motor in a au would be pretty neat i bean thinking about doing it but i have got to look into it a bit more

[Eu-GenixX]

and thats it.. it's not something i'm definately going to do.. it's something i'm looking into doing.. and even if i did decide to try it.. it's 12-24 months away yet.. but i'd prefer to get facts before i just say.. "can't be done" or something similar...

[JC]

Originally Posted by Eu-GenixX

and thats it.. it's not something i'm definately going to do.. it's something i'm looking into doing.. and even if i did decide to try it.. it's 12-24 months away yet.. but i'd prefer to get facts before i just say.. "can't be done" or something similar...

It can be done, but doesn't make much sense (in $$$ terms) to do so.

[vztrt]

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...ht=ba+motor+AU

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by JC

It can be done, but doesn't make much sense (in $$$ terms) to do so.

that may be true but how many major mods really do they don't increase the value of the car by anywhere as much as the cost but we do it because we like to be different

[Eu-GenixX]

vztrt.... thanks for the link... that answers the first question i have... and i beleive there is still too much work on the engine management side of things....

[au2sw]

considering he has an AU and BA motors can be picked up for $550, i think its a good idea. i mean, look at the guy that transplanted a whole BA interior into his XD!! would have been cheaper and easier to buy a BA, but he did that instead.
as for doing the motor transplant, i know FTG had theres running, but not really well due to the fact that the AU is only single VCT, so the duel VCT didnt operate. i think you will also need the VCT computer...not sure about this though. its worth a try using the full capabilities of a flash tuner, if you get it working really well, let FTG know and perhaps start a thread in the workshop builds about it.....im sure theres a few guys here would like to do the same thing, but are all waiting for someone else to be the guinneepig.
good luck with it

[schuldiner]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

why don't people read the thread this guy did not want advice on buying a BA I'm sure he knows how to do that

this is about people wanting to be different maybe he prefers the AU shape (as do I ) but wants some BA refinements. so if you have any input on the subject at hand do so but if you love the BA so much then buy your own and go to the BA forum and leave us to mod our AUs the way we want to. your buy a BA posts are not welcome and only serve to tick people off

i didn't mean he should go out and buy a BA i was just trying to answer his question on why people tell him he should, i understand he wants to do something different everyone does, but as JC said, cash wise it doesn't necessarily make sense, but it's his car, his money he can do as he pleases, i don't know enough to advise him for/against, didn't realise i was being a pain in the a** sorry.

[Eu-GenixX]

i just don't know why ppl say it does't make sense... it could come out cheaper the n buying a BA... so to me that makes sense... but.. obviously it's wasted money that i'll never get back.. which you'll get with any car really...

i'll have to have a talk to a mate of mine who is mates with an auto sparky.. and run a few ideas past them both... see what they think.. and i'll call a few tuning shops... find out what can be deleted out of the BA ecu... so it runs motor only

the only way i can see this being viable.. is with use of the standard BA ecu and a flash tuner.. anything else and teh costs will just blow way out...

[philstoj]

Dude, an AU computer wont control the dual VCT on the BA motor.
Why not run it without the VCT anyways?

If FTG got theirs running with the AU comp, why not just do that, throw a set of cams in and not worry about the VCT and edit with the flash tuner.

The cost of using and adapting B series comp and wiring will be huge, you would be better off using an aftermarket ECU, but in saying that, whats the big deal in running the VCT anyways?

[LOWAU]

If you could somehow get the BA Ecu to run the engine only it would be a cheap upgrade in power for the AUs. Maybe run your std AU ECU along with the BA ECU just to control the engine, I know it sounds easier then it is but maybe it could be done.
~750-1000 for BA engine
~250 for looms, sensors, ECU and other little things.
you will then have 190kw in a lighter car.

Also I don't think FTG have made the car run properly as the would have been selling conversion kits by now.

[Eu-GenixX]

yeah.. FTG said they got the motor in.. but as for engine management.. they were leaving that to someone else...

i got a mate calling his auto sparky friend tomorrow to see if it's viable to run the 2 ecu's together.. BA to run just motor.. AU for everything else... it all sounds easy in theory.. but we'll have to wait and see... it all depends on if a tuning shop can use the flash tuner and delete security etc out of the BA ecu to run motor only

[BLACKAUXR8]

If you've got the cash this is definitley a possability. Run a complete new engine managment. Yeah it costly. But you could do a typhoon motor and 6 speed!! Im getting excited thinking about it. I think i might have to tell the wife her car is goin into the shed and the engines coming out!!! :

Sorry about the edit. Smart me just read the other posts and you dont want to spend big money. I should read the whole thread before saying anything

[philstoj]

LOL, your asking for too much mate, the B series ECU to run the engine, the AU one to run everything else...

I know your trying to do something different and good on you, but you are really biting off more than you can chew with this project.

Fit the BA motor, put aftermarket cams in, run it with the AU ECU and flash tune it and be done with it, you will still have the twin cam in there, with the extra power, who gives a toss about VCT anyways.

Alternatively, get yourself an aftermarket ECU, and start tuning, im sure the better ones will run VCT, you wont even need to run it with the electric throttle setup, and will be heaps easier and cheaper and much less time consuming than trying to piggy back a B series ECU to an A series ECU..

Just my 2c...

[347_XR8]

Why does everyone want to but BA things into non-BA's theses days. Its as if Ford only ever made the BA and XY/XW some days

[BLACKAUXR8]

Why did people put AU motors in E series?? Why do people put RB26 GTR motors into GTS skylines?? More technology, more power not always but in theory a newer motor means more reliable and more fuel efficent

[Eu-GenixX]

yeah.. what he said... ^^^^.... heh

and this is all theory atm... i have no plans to actually go ahead with this engine transplant just yet.... until i can find out if it's even possible... and even if it is.. money must be put aside... once i find out what the auto sparky says... i'll post it up here... and if it can be done... it will be time to start saving for an XR6T motor...

[BLACKAUXR8]

keep us posted. My wife series 1 is gtting close to being upgraded. If this isnt to costly i might upgrade her to a little car and go nuts on the series 1. There not worth selling anymore its done way to many K's.