Cheap Fuel/High Gas

[robbo/region15]

All week in Macedon,Vic Unleaded around $1.30 per /l but Gas today was
75 Cents.............??? Gov subs are now finished in effect?

[last fairlane]

Try Brisbane
LPG 79.9/litre
unleaded $150.9
I think im being ripped
John

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by robbo/region15

All week in Macedon,Vic Unleaded around $1.30 per /l but Gas today was
75 Cents.............??? Gov subs are now finished in effect?

Count yourself lucky. On the central queensland coast, its 88 cents a litre.

Has nothing to do with the government, has everything to do with the cold european winter and the fact that the russians are not letting the europeans have any gas. Like all commodities, the owners (even if its drilled in australian waters) are free to seek the highest bidders. It doesnt even have to mean that more australian gas is going overseas, once the price rises somewhere in the world, it then becomes the benchmark.

[sgt_doofey]

Originally Posted by robbo/region15

All week in Macedon,Vic Unleaded around $1.30 per /l but Gas today was
75 Cents.............??? Gov subs are now finished in effect?

The is no subsidy on the purchase of LPG, just on the installation of LPG systems in to cars.
It's all been covered in this thread: http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11356537

[svo supporter]

160.2 fuel
82.9 gas

Am I being ripped, or just bending over for the gov't without protection.

[GASWAGON]

It's also because last week either Today tonight or ACA did an article on the shop-a-docket racket that Coles/Woolies have had going for years.....
It's now proven that they bump up the prices in the supermarkets and give you the docket when you spend more than $30, then they give you a discount on their fuel which has already been bumped up also.....

The whole thing is a big scam....And it's been around for about five years already.
So now they are gouging the lpg users because they've had to put petrol back to proper normal pricers..... Unbelievable!

[xisled]

We are getting ripped off here in Vic. ULP has been around 131.1 cents all week. It has not dropped under this mark, it should be lower around 120.0, but it will shot up sooner than later.

[graham7773]

LPG up to $0.88 cpl around Australia, how come we are selling it to Japan and China for $0.09 cpl? Nine cents per liter!!! That really sucks!!! So, when you take away shipping costs, those countries are getting our LPG for around 4 cents per liter! Please do not tell me it is because they are buying in bulk. Blame little Johnnie for tying the price of LPG to the price of petrol. Our LPG should be around 18 cents per liter...

[last fairlane]

Little Johnny
I dont think so
he ruined house prices for two generations of house buyers
with the interest rates back in the eighties of 22%
and then the $15k first home owners grant all that did was add
$15k to the price spiral
but back to LPG
back in 1982 I paid 35 cents per litre for petrol
and by 1987 it was 55 cents and LPG was 19 cents
and that was under Bob Hawke
so following inflation in 25 years LPG is cheaper @ 79.9
than petrol
it would be nowhere near 18.9
Its just when they jump it up 20 cents in one year you feel it
just another fact from 1978
Malcolm Fraser tied fuel prices to the UK price and guess what
our super went from 15 cent pl to 28 cents
if you want to go back a bit further to 1974Gough Whitlam
wanted to add 2 thats two cents a gallon (thats one half of one cent)
and we would not have to pay rego and was shot down in flames
just my recolections
John

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by graham7773

LPG up to $0.88 cpl around Australia, how come we are selling it to Japan and China for $0.09 cpl? Nine cents per liter!!! That really sucks!!! So, when you take away shipping costs, those countries are getting our LPG for around 4 cents per liter! Please do not tell me it is because they are buying in bulk. Blame little Johnnie for tying the price of LPG to the price of petrol. Our LPG should be around 18 cents per liter...

Well I dont know that we are selling gas to the japs and chinese at 9 cents a litre (you could be right), but there is a reason why. Alot of the projects that the gas comes from had development costs in the billions to tens of billions of dollars. The only way the companies could borrow money for these developments, was to lock in contracts with buyers for 20 to 25 years. Without japanese of chinese buyers entering into these long term contracts (with the benefit of getting supply at agreed prices), their would be no gas to sell.

Its not always going to work out the best for the host country, but you get much more resource royalties from a well that is producing gas, than a well that cant go ahead due to lack of funds.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by EF_6

It's also because last week either Today tonight or ACA did an article on the shop-a-docket racket that Coles/Woolies have had going for years.....
It's now proven that they bump up the prices in the supermarkets and give you the docket when you spend more than $30, then they give you a discount on their fuel which has already been bumped up also.....

That's been known for years. People who really want to save money shop at Franklins or Aldi and buy their petrol at an independent servo. Unfortunately most people are gullible.

[Tonz]

Figure this out Adelaide high .70c/L ............ Pt Lincoln 800k away 77c/L
but Whyalla half way between 66c/L

[sgt_doofey]

Originally Posted by graham7773

LPG up to $0.88 cpl around Australia, how come we are selling it to Japan and China for $0.09 cpl? Nine cents per liter!!! That really sucks!!! So, when you take away shipping costs, those countries are getting our LPG for around 4 cents per liter! Please do not tell me it is because they are buying in bulk. Blame little Johnnie for tying the price of LPG to the price of petrol. Our LPG should be around 18 cents per liter...

LPG just doesn't get pulled out of the ground, it's a mixture of propane and butane. It's natural gas that we have an abundance of.

[foxtrot3]

Originally Posted by graham7773

LPG up to $0.88 cpl around Australia, how come we are selling it to Japan and China for $0.09 cpl? Nine cents per liter!!! That really sucks!!! So, when you take away shipping costs, those countries are getting our LPG for around 4 cents per liter! Please do not tell me it is because they are buying in bulk. Blame little Johnnie for tying the price of LPG to the price of petrol. Our LPG should be around 18 cents per liter...

Hi. The other thing is they are buying "well gas" at the well. It is unprocessed and not transported, the buyer compresses/liquefies the gas as they pump it on board and about the only upside they have is they run the ships engines on the vapour that boils off during transit. Cheers MD

[prydey]

Originally Posted by new2ford

That's been known for years. People who really want to save money shop at Franklins or Aldi and buy their petrol at an independent servo. Unfortunately most people are gullible.

is that why all the farmers and market gardeners are whinging becuase coles/woolies are driving prices down??

i just don't buy it. we have all supermarkets in our area, and overall, it is still cheaper to shop at woolies than at iga/foodland etc.

for the record, i don't use dockets either. bp ultimate all the way.

as for lpg prices going up, not sure if its still the same but lpg used to operate on a monthly cycle rather than weekly which is why the ups and downs seem much more dramatic. there is still a reasonable gap to petrol though so i wouldn't be trading the lpg car in just yet!

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by Tonz

Figure this out Adelaide high .70c/L

A B.P at Roseworthy (10 k out of Gawler) had it at 82.9 Saturday arvo.

Still doesn't compute why Lincoln and Whyalla are cheaper

[4vdean]

Originally Posted by foxtrot3

Hi. The other thing is they are buying "well gas" at the well. It is unprocessed and not transported, the buyer compresses/liquefies the gas as they pump it on board and about the only upside they have is they run the ships engines on the vapour that boils off during transit. Cheers MD

just to nit pick a bit, the gas isn't compressed its cooled (to -161deg) which liquifies it (now its LNG) stored in insulated tanks, then pumped as liquid to ship etc.
But imporantly from gas to LNG it reduces in volume by 600 times which makes it viable to transport, and yes they use the boil off gas as fuel but newer bigger ships are deisel fueled as its worth more to re-liquify the boil off gas.
I'm at work, bored, at an LNG plant..........

[4vdean]

Originally Posted by 4vdean

just to nit pick a bit, the gas isn't compressed its cooled (to -161deg) which liquifies it (now its LNG) stored in insulated tanks, then pumped as liquid to ship etc.
But imporantly from gas to LNG it reduces in volume by 600 times which makes it viable to transport, and yes they use the boil off gas as fuel but newer bigger ships are deisel fueled as its worth more to re-liquify the boil off gas.
I'm at work, bored, at an LNG plant..........

Quoting myself as an edit, I stand corrected as I re-read posts I see you are actually talking about LPG not LNG, ignore my post...............carry on................i'll go back to sleep.................

[foxtrot3]

Originally Posted by 4vdean

just to nit pick a bit, the gas isn't compressed its cooled (to -161deg) which liquifies it (now its LNG) stored in insulated tanks, then pumped as liquid to ship etc.
But imporantly from gas to LNG it reduces in volume by 600 times which makes it viable to transport, and yes they use the boil off gas as fuel but newer bigger ships are deisel fueled as its worth more to re-liquify the boil off gas.
I'm at work, bored, at an LNG plant..........

Originally Posted by 4vdean

Quoting myself as an edit, I stand corrected as I re-read posts I see you are actually talking about LPG not LNG, ignore my post...............carry on................i'll go back to sleep.................

Hi. I will stand corrected on the mechanics of it but will stick with the fact that they are buying well gas and supplying their own transport. I dare say that anyone could buy that quantity of gas over a 25 year period and refine it and take it away and will only have to pay 5 or 6 cents a litre. Cheers MD

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[last fairlane]

High gas yeah well
it depends on your car I guess
Now mine is an AU Fairmont with factory fitted dual fuel
Ive had it since 2003
it cost me $15k back then as a 5 year old car
I run on LPG all the time and
never and I mean never turn off the aircon
I think that paying less than half price for my fuel
it has well and truely paid for itself
I cant complain but 79 cents looks bad to any one filling up
thats me
thanks John

[mik]

lpg might look extra good if hostilities get nasty over sea`s and petrol here sky rockets,
watching the world news, Iran has stopped selling oil to Britain and France, they where showing petrol prices going up in the US and Britain, i would imagine it will hit us down the track too.

[xisled]

Yesterday fuel in Victoria was around 131.9 cents. Went out last night. Fuel was at 157.3.

How can it jump just under 26 cents in a matter of hours.