Melbourne Academic proposes Some Country Roads be cut to 80km/hr!!!!!!!!!!

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A MELBOURNE academic has come under fire after controversially recommending some country roads be restricted to speed limits of just 80km/h in a bid to cut the road toll further.:


The proposal from Professor of Accident Research at Monash University Max Cameron comes after a year in which the national road toll slumped by more than 8 per cent compared to 2012.

Despite this drop, Professor Cameron believes reducing the speed limit on some country roads would help reduce both road trauma and fatalities.

“The current speed limits of 100km/h are too high against reduced cost of travel times,” Professor Cameron said.

“There’s increased cost of road trauma.

“The speed that minimises these costs is about 80km/h.”
http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/st...-80kmh/?cs=148

My Comment : This will increase accidents as drivers will be more tired. How do these moron's get theses positions??? Obviously, he hasn't driven in America or Europe. Try that overseas and he would be lynched !!

[Trump]

All I'll say is this:

A government funded muppet will always say what the government wants him to say.

[Rockape]

The lower the limit the more people speed the more money they make from fines.

[ryeman]

No sealed shoulders....we know what happens when inexperienced drivers drop a wheel off .........
There's a big effort to seal ALL shoulders in Vic.

[mik]

I could agree with him on some of country back roads, some are beyond goat track status........ yet proudly wear 100 kph signs.

[joolz]

Its bound to happen sooner than later. Lower the tolerance and when revenue drops just lower the speed limits to boost revenue. In saying that the road toll has dropped yet record numbers are being fined for speeding. So shouldnt that mean if "speed kills" the road toll should be increasing with all the speeders?

[cheap]

Academic is code word for inner city fringe dweller, bicycle peddling, organic latte sippin' genius, who's greatest achievement is having successfully spend all their adult life sucking on the public teat being nurtured by other like minded university dills.

I reckon before these people are allowed to utter a single word, they should be subjected to 5 years hard labour working on a farm, clearly they need a good dose of real life experience.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by cheap

they should be subjected to 5 years hard labour working on a farm, clearly they need a good dose of real life experience.

How is worling on a farm giving them real world experience. Last time I looked more people lived in cities than rurally in Australia and globally. Perhaps you mean live on a farm and give them a narrowly focused view of the world.
Secondly how is living on a farm earning 'real world experience' going to help them gather and analyse complex data, formulate reasonable argument and maintain a debate rather than blindly ignore fact and critisise.
By real world experience I gather you mean 'hard work' hammers shovels and heaving hay bales, how will hard labor affect his opinion?. Perhaps your rhetoric could be reversed demanding you spend 5 years in academia, researching fact, differentiating fact from fiction and anecdote and standing by your work with more than just biased opinion.

I agree, throughout Australia there are some roads that traveling at the speed limit is hazardous, Warracknabeal to Donald or thereabouts is a great example, two way goat track with undulations so violent cars change lanes!

JP

[efirestorer]

The last time I was in Germany ( 2005 ) ALL secondary roads were 80 KPH with down as low as 30 KPH in villages . Autobahn different of course , wonderful to be able to travel at whatever . Obviously , the academic , has stirred the pot for the rev heads , but I agree with him that 80 KPH is a sensible limit for some roads.

[Road_Warrior]

Max Cameron.

Google this donkey and you'll see his name all over most "speed reduction" proposals across the country. He is worse than a government funded muppet because he actually believes what he thinks is right and people listen to him.

[Itsme]

If a country road warrants 80 kph speed limit to bad conditions fair enough but roads that can sustain 100kph conditions should remain.

[Syndrome]

Academics spend too much time in books and not enough time in the real world.

[dragons90]

The problem with that is crap roads get reduced speed then they repair the road but don't put the limit back up.

[tweeked]

80 is just as fair on some rural roads - just as the Hume should be 130

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Academics spend too much time in books and not enough time in the real world.

Again with the real world! where is this "real world' academics should be? what about their education, experience, access to data and facts is less real world then the interwebs anecdote and bias?

JP

[pottery beige]

Monash uni dh running low on funds

stirs **** and controversy

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by tweeked

80 is just as fair on some rural roads - just as the Hume should be 130

I don't know about the hume, not being from that part of the continent, but I agree that country roads should be rated according to their "driveability." Dual carriageways with wide open shoulders, plenty of visibility and fences to keep the roos off should be 130kph. Just as some of the narrow, twisting goat tracks should be 80kph or less.

[mickcoz]

He must have done a presentation to the Wyndham Council in VIC because they've just lowered the speed on a bunch of roads from 80 and 70 down to 60.

That'll certainly raise some revenue for the council.

[joolz]

Was just speaking with my wife about Vicroads and so on. Anyways she she dated a guy that was a road engineer in 2010 (designs roads and speed limts to suit) it turned out he didnt even hold a drivers licence!!

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Again with the real world! where is this "real world' academics should be? what about their education, experience, access to data and facts is less real world then the interwebs anecdote and bias?

JP

It isnt in a book, or in statistics that are arranged to push an agenda.

Nothing as dangerous as an academic. I get them contacting me regularly via work, they ask me to complete surveys on logistics for them, i read the questions - then give them feedback that their surveys are meaningless in "the real world", and not worth completing.

They are experts in a field, and yet have no idea how that field plays out.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by joolz

Was just speaking with my wife about Vicroads and so on. Anyways she she dated a guy that was a road engineer in 2010 (designs roads and speed limts to suit) it turned out he didnt even hold a drivers licence!!

And that is why we have a bike lane up the Craigieburn bypass. Don't know how much it cost, and I have seen 2 bikes on it in the countless times I have driven up it.

Muppets in a job with a degree, taught by Muppets that have never worked a real (there is that word again) job.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by mickcoz

He must have done a presentation to the Wyndham Council in VIC because they've just lowered the speed on a bunch of roads from 80 and 70 down to 60.

That'll certainly raise some revenue for the council.

Council won't see a cent of any fines issued in these reduced speed sections of the roads in Wyndham. They go straight to the state govco (with the requisite cut going to the camera operating company, Serco if I am not mistaken).

As for those mentioning the goat tracks being currently posted as 100km/h, how about driving for the conditions and not as the sign says...?

[FGX-351]

Academic hey, sounds like there's less crack on the Warego.

[pottery beige]

dear dh academic

the family dog licked my face when i was a little kid

i'm still waiting to die

cheers

me

[pottery beige]

ps

i made my sister eat mud pies

that has bugs n germs n **** ey

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by mickcoz

He must have done a presentation to the Wyndham Council in VIC because they've just lowered the speed on a bunch of roads from 80 and 70 down to 60.

That'll certainly raise some revenue for the council.

About time on some of those roads in Wyndham, speed to high in built up areas.

Cheers.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

ps

i made my sister eat mud pies

that has bugs n germs n **** ey

I recon you led an interesting life when you was a child

[Nikked]

I agree in some cases, between tamworth and the coast there are some really poor roads, however, it should be a short term fix, the roads should be fixed.

I can't work it out sometimes, you see a new wide bridge dropped in, but a narrow, crumbling road leading in and out.

[XR6TCraig]

There is no need to drop limits at all. The speed limit is the maximum you are allowed to drive to, not the bare minimum that you must travel at.

Instead just do the following instead.

1) Teach people to drive properly, to assess conditions and keep there eyes and concentration on the road instead of just sitting on the limit because the sign says you can do that speed. Also teach them about fatigue management. This is the biggest killer on country roads.

2) Spend the billions of dollars collected through registration, speed infringements and fuel levies, etc, on road maintenance to actually improve the road system.

3) Increase limits on the roads that are built to travel safely at higher speeds than what motorists are currently allowed to. This will decrease fatigue related accidents.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Again with the real world! where is this "real world' academics should be? what about their education, experience, access to data and facts is less real world then the interwebs anecdote and bias?

JP

You never seen these academics get vocal or use the same data when it is clear roads like the Hume could cope with a 130km/hr speed limit.

They either use the data both ways or remain puppets of governments to be rolled out by them every time the budget is in the red and as such deserve to be ridiculed.