VFacts November

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Forget Holden v Ford, the new car battle is Toyota Corolla versus Mazda3, and the Toyota now has an almost unassailable lead.

The Toyota Corolla is on track to be Australia's favourite car for an unprecedented third year in a row after topping the sales charts in November.

Confidential industry figures show the Corolla has an almost unassailable lead of almost 3500 cars -- a month's worth of sales -- going into December, after leading the passenger-car race for eight of the past 11 months.

The Corolla has swapped the lead five times with its arch rival, the Mazda3 small car, which had led the market for the previous two years and ended the Holden Commodore's winning streak in 2011.

Toyota is on track to celebrate its 13th year in a row as our favourite automotive brand

Industry insiders have forecast a record year, with the market widely expected to eclipse 1.1 million sales for the fourth year in a row, and overtake the previous record set in 2013, when 1,136,227 vehicles were reported as sold.

Sales across the entire new-car market are up by 3.6 per cent year-to-date and Toyota is on track to celebrate its 13th year in a row as our favourite automotive brand.

Utes continue to have a strong presence in the Top 10, with the Toyota HiLux and Ford Ranger workhorses filling two of the top four positions in November.

Holden Commodore sales were down, but as a sign of the fragmenting market both it and the locally-made Toyota Camry sedan managed to hold onto the fifth and sixth place outright in November.

Holden also managed to overtake Hyundai for third place in November. The two brands are in a tight battle for a podium Top Three finish for the year.

If Holden gets beaten by Hyundai, it will be the first time in Holden history it has not been on the Top Three sellers list.

Official figures for the month are due to be published by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries on Thursday.
Top 10 cars in November (preliminary figures)

Toyota Corolla - 3430
Toyota HiLux - 3370
Mazda3 - 3105
Ford Ranger - 3030
Holden Commodore - 2615
Toyota Camry - 2570
Hyundai i30 - 2500
Nissan Navara - 2290
Nissan X-Trail - 2225
Mazda CX-5 - 2170
Top 10 brands in November (preliminary figures)

Toyota - 18,400
Mazda - 9805
Holden - 8890
Hyundai - 8415
Nissan - 7235
Ford - 6330
Mitsubishi - 5165
Volkswagen - 4440
Subaru - 3885
Honda - 3070
http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news...les-race-37039

[Adamz Ghia]

Toyota's sales figures never cease to amaze me. Fleets or no fleets 18,000 odd sales month after month is a decent effort.

[Rob 351]

Geez there good numbers for Ranger! They just keep getting better & only 400 off being number 1 in Australia.

[Brazen]

You can start to see the market consolidating amongst the big players. I guess if you add Aurion to Camry and Ute & Caprice to Commodore and Elantra to i30. It may be that the top 7 selling cars are selling over 3000 a month each!

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

Geez there good numbers for Ranger! They just keep getting better & only 400 off being number 1 in Australia.

400 and the Hilux struggling for stock.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Lol Nissan outsells Ford!!! What's going to happen to Ford once Falcon, Falcon ute and territory are gone

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by tempted

That's what I've been saying the whole time. I'll be willing to bet that they drop out of the top 10 by the end of this decade.
One Ford is supposed to be the saviour? Pffft right...

The few hundred Falcons, Utes and Territories sold isn't going to make a significant impact on Ford's sales figures. We're more than 3,000 clear of 10th placed Honda.

One Ford saves Ford a lot of money on developing orphans for an insignificant market.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Lol Nissan outsells Ford!!! What's going to happen to Ford once Falcon, Falcon ute and territory are gone

Oh noes, what's going to happen???

Come 2017 they will continue to sell cars for profit. Whilst every manufacturer wants to sell as many as they can, the main aim is to make money, not top some monthly sales chart to keep some fans from self harm because they aren't living up to expectations.

[BDA074]

Originally Posted by tempted

Falcon, ute and Territory combined isn't just a few hundred, it's roughly about 1500 sales. With those gone there's nothing else in the range that will make up those numbers, so all it would take is for the other manufacturers to lift their sales slightly and goodbye Ford.

What about the Everest, Mustang and Focus RS along with updated Mondeo and Focus which are seriously good looking cars. I think 'nothing' is harsh...

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VFacts Update http://westwheels.caradvice.com.au/4...n-record-pace/

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by tempted

Falcon, ute and Territory combined isn't just a few hundred, it's roughly about 1500 sales. With those gone there's nothing else in the range that will make up those numbers, so all it would take is for the other manufacturers to lift their sales slightly and goodbye Ford.

Ultimately, it's not about sales it's about making money. How much does it cost Ford to make those 1,500 Falcon/Territory sales, what is the real profit in them?
If they do keep the Falcon/Territory line, it will have to be significantly updated to keep up, how much will that cost?

Holden has previously said the Commodore makes a loss despite it being in the top ten constantly, should Ford be pushing the Falcon still to keep sales numbers up ala Holden? I'm guessing Ford would then be in a loss making situation.

[Windsor220]

Ford would drop one spot if you took out Falcon and co. Are they bringing in a Territory replacement?

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Kieron

Holden has previously said the Commodore makes a loss despite it being in the top ten constantly, should Ford be pushing the Falcon still to keep sales numbers up ala Holden? I'm guessing Ford would then be in a loss making situation.

The ones they export do. Small cars make little to no profit.....might be why the Lancer has been canned.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by tempted

Falcon, ute and Territory combined isn't just a few hundred, it's roughly about 1500 sales. With those gone there's nothing else in the range that will make up those numbers, so all it would take is for the other manufacturers to lift their sales slightly and goodbye Ford.

Edge will take up some of those Territory sales.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by prydey

Oh noes, what's going to happen???

Come 2017 they will continue to sell cars for profit. Whilst every manufacturer wants to sell as many as they can, the main aim is to make money, not top some monthly sales chart to keep some fans from self harm because they aren't living up to expectations.

Might be okay for Ford to sell cars for a profit, but what about the dealers. Margins are tight and dealerships are all run on volume, mainly because the more cars you sell, the more paint protection you fit and the more you service and keep on the road down the track.

Dealerships make most of their cream from finance, aftermarket and service. No volume means bad days for them.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Edge will take up some of those Territory sales.

It will be lucky to take up 250 a month.

[Bossxr8]

If the Everest can do 250 the Edge will have no problem selling much more.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

If the Everest can do 250 the Edge will have no problem selling much more.

That will depend on a number of factors.

Look at Focus / Kuga. King of class yet bottom of sales race.

Theres alot of passion behind the scenes of Falcon / Territory that have kept it going, not to mention Fords own lease vehicles that have kept them both afloat.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Might be okay for Ford to sell cars for a profit, but what about the dealers. Margins are tight and dealerships are all run on volume, mainly because the more cars you sell, the more paint protection you fit and the more you service and keep on the road down the track.

Dealerships make most of their cream from finance, aftermarket and service. No volume means bad days for them.

i'm just saying they will survive and continue on post 2017. there are over 60 brands in australia and they are still top 10. mitsi and nissan are still here and probably performing much better since they stopped manufacturing here.

i just don't buy in to all the doom and gloom.

[brendan88]

How many Everests were sold?

[Brazen]

Everest sold 334

[csv8]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Everest sold 334

How many were the Titanium??? mainly Ambiente and Trend ??

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by csv8

How many were the Titanium??? mainly Ambiente and Trend ??

No idea, just a comment from the staff writer on the bottom of a Caradvice article.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Lol Nissan outsells Ford!!! What's going to happen to Ford once Falcon, Falcon ute and territory are gone

I predict VW will outsell Ford, even with all their woes. Come back to this thread later and see if this comes to be...

[Brazen]

Aurion and Camry combined was the biggest selling car for the month. Good to see Australian made still hit the top.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Aurion and Camry combined was the biggest selling car for the month. Good to see Australian made still hit the top.

woo!! more mobile roadblocks on the road.

[Sprintey]

Focus 647
Kuga 271
Mondeo 225
Fiesta 329

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Focus 647
Kuga 271
Mondeo 225
Fiesta 329

I bet we will see a move away from One Ford. Regions do appear to have different tastes to each other. I bet over time we will see products start to diverge across different markets.

[Sprintey]

I'm with you on that one. One Ford was a great rationalisation at the time, and Mullally securing cheap financing before the GFC hit was, in retrospect, genius. The new product is good product, but something is going very wrong in the bread and butter models here in Oz, which is a unique market.

One other point from the VFACTS was that the premium medium segment is growing at 26% while lesser-priced medium is falling away. I think I've found why:

"They have much in common. Each costs about $70,000 before on-road costs; each has a 2.0-litre turbo-petrol engine; each is rear-wheel drive..."

From: http://www.caradvice.com.au/400693/b...arison-review/

RWD is becoming a differentiation of prestige.

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The new Mitsi's have also been hit with fugly stick!!!