VFACTS June 2009 - Page 4

Smoke Pursuit · 05-07-2009, 08:14 PM

No, theres are still new Fairlanes sedans left 2007 plate, i think that must be nearly the end of them tho!

Ford dont build hearses.. They use to export wagons (done up as hearses) to UK but not for a long while now.

phillyc · 06-07-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RATT

Ford
Ford Falcon 3,410
Ford Falcon Ute 1,491
Ford Territory 1,259

So Terri sales have doubled in the last 3 months. Admittedly the market as a whole was much improved last month, but Burela was right when he said the facelift had gotten much improved interest and traffic!

Be interesting what Ford could do with the full refresh next year and diesel engine option. Maybe the halcyon days of 2000/mth will return?! Fuel prices, which are on their way back up at present will be decisive.

hy_boi · 06-07-2009, 09:55 AM

At our local dealer here, there whole yard is pretty 08 stock.

And with the tax bonus, as long as the order was placed before june 20 you still got the full benefit.

R-Design · 06-07-2009, 02:17 PM

I thought I'd stick this in here:

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Originally Posted by CarPoint

On the eve of the launch of Australia's most fuel-efficient car, the new Toyota Prius, Holden has revealed that our love affair with V8s is far from over.

http://carpoint.com.au/news/2009/lar...ve-years-15729

Crazed · 06-07-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

How do you figure that.....? Sportshatch sales are included with sedan sales.

The Commodore's tally of 4748 vehicles included 1715 Sportwagons.

4Vman · 06-07-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazed

The Commodore's tally of 4748 vehicles included 1715 Sportwagons.

Where did they break those figures out? If its right that's 1715 less sedans sold for the month then...

burnz · 06-07-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

I thought I'd stick this in here:

http://carpoint.com.au/news/2009/lar...ve-years-15729

hmmmmmm V8 or prius??????

vztrt · 06-07-2009, 03:53 PM

Sales for NZ.

Ford no 2 and Holden no 6.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2575EA0082A561

Crazed · 06-07-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Where did they break those figures out? If its right that's 1715 less sedans sold for the month then...

Its in a carsguide article, sorry I should of listed the source originally http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/new...lift_for_june/

It would be interesting to see how many sedans were sold compared to the Falcon. I think Ford average 300-400 wagons a month (not sure about June but), so you could approx the sedan sales.

4Vman · 06-07-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazed

Its in a carsguide article, sorry I should of listed the source originally http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/new...lift_for_june/

It would be interesting to see how many sedans were sold compared to the Falcon. I think Ford average 300-400 wagons a month (not sure about June but), so you could approx the sedan sales.

Im pretty sure Ford don't include wagon sales with their sedan sales, because its a different model on a different platform, the Commodore Hatch is included in Commodore sedan sales because its a "sedan variant".

vztrt · 06-07-2009, 04:12 PM

It would be included, otherwise vfacts would list the car in the break down of models.

Crazed · 06-07-2009, 04:18 PM

Another interesting thing, is if you add the ute sales to Falcon and Commodore they are well on top of the charts. Its good to see Aussies cars still selling.

I also wonder what will happen once Holden releases the LPG Sportwagon (if it happens), surely the lack of LPG must be costing it some sales, especially as 60% of Falcon wagons are LPG.

vztrt · 06-07-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazed

Another interesting thing, is if you add the ute sales to Falcon and Commodore they are well on top of the charts. Its good to see Aussies cars still selling.

I also wonder what will happen once Holden releases the LPG Sportwagon (if it happens), surely the lack of LPG must be costing it some sales, especially as 60% of Falcon wagons are LPG.

Will the hatch actually have any space if they do that...seeing as the Holden go down the dealer fitted duel fuel route.

Crazed · 06-07-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Will the hatch actually have any space if they do that...seeing as the Holden go down the dealer fitted duel fuel route.

I think that is the problem at the moment, they probably cant even fit it in haha.

I guess the biggest potential factor would be being able to fit the spare tyre upright in the cargo bay. Or they could just be waiting for the new direct injection motors to come out before going LPG - instead of stuffing around with the exiting motor just to have it replaced in a few months.

4Vman · 06-07-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazed

I think that is the problem at the moment, they probably cant even fit it in haha.

I guess the biggest potential factor would be being able to fit the spare tyre upright in the cargo bay. Or they could just be waiting for the new direct injection motors to come out before going LPG - instead of stuffing around with the exiting motor just to have it replaced in a few months.

I think Holden could fit the tank on the roof and it would still sell, got to love brand loyalty!...

Bossxr8 · 06-07-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

So, about 6200 a month. Give or take. Essentially Ford sold as many as they made.

Apart from the $35,990 driveaway XR6 sedan deal, haven't noticed any other promos by Ford. Hopefully, that translates into a solid profit!

Is there anything to stop Ford from upping the daily rate anytime soon? Would upping the line rate affect quality? GMH make 310 cars a day (when they are making them), but their quality isn't up to the standard set by FG.

It costs money to up balance, timings have to be done and things moved around between jobs, not to mention extra staff. Ford will just run overtime if they need more cars, they won't up balance until they can't keep up with demand.

One good month doesn't mean the next few months will be good though.

naddis01 · 06-07-2009, 08:03 PM

Last month there was a big deal made that the Falcon sedan almost outsold the Commodore sedan. If we minus the 1715 sportwagons from the 4748 total we come to 3033 Commodore sedans. How many wagons did Ford sell this month? It would be pretty close again by the look of it.

Wouldnt everyone be saying it was a stroke of genius if there was a Falcon wagon that could sell 1000 - 1700 per month.

phillyc · 06-07-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazed

The Commodore's tally of 4748 vehicles included 1715 Sportwagons.

Therefore 3033 sedans, 1715 wagons, 1577 utes...
Falcon sold 3410 & 1491 Utes...

If the usual 300-400 wagons remained static, then it's possible, although not probable, that Falcon sedan outsold C'dore sedan.

As for the whole 1 Sportwagon = 1 less Sedan sale, i thought that for a while, but remember they used to sell 500 VZ2 wagons a month. Did Falcon wagon sales go up 500 a month when that VZ2 was canned? No. I didn't believe it added greatly to C'dore volume, but i'm beginning to think it has in recent months...

naddis01 · 06-07-2009, 08:05 PM

Great minds think alike, or fools seldom differ phillyc?

My thoughts exactly on the Sportswagon sales.

phillyc · 06-07-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It costs money to up balance, timings have to be done and things moved around between jobs, not to mention extra staff. Ford will just run overtime if they need more cars, they won't up balance until they can't keep up with demand.

Marin Burela had talked about looking into upping the line rate for the remainder of June after May 2009 sales figures had come out. The 2 down days obviously got canned which increased the June production level, and the paypacket's of those working at Ford!

Didn't realise that there was as much involved in that 'up balancing' as you called it. I've done a bit with PLC's and thought that maybe it would be as 'simple' as changing some of the inbuilt timings / sequencing which changed it from 260 cars / 8 hrs to 280 cars / 8 hrs. Figuring that there would be some connectivity issues between the various sections / stores and suppliers though too. Didn't realise that it would necessarily require more staff to do those off line processes though.

Would Ford prefer the overtime on Saturday, or just add half hour to the weekday? Would most line staff want the extra work?

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

One good month doesn't mean the next few months will be good though.

As for consistent sales, that is my concern too which I mentioned earlier. July often has poor sales compared to EOFY June. With those large rental fleet sales kicking in, plus some carry over, hopefully July sales are robust!

phillyc · 06-07-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

Great minds think alike, or fools seldom differ phillyc?

My thoughts exactly on the Sportswagon sales.

A little of column A, a little of column B!

Yeah, i thought that the sportswagon sales were eating into sedan sales at pretty much 1:1, but I have to say, that now that they are regularly over the 1000/mth mark i don't reckon they are. I do think, that maybe it is something like 2 wagon sales = 1 less sedan sale. Perhaps, half those that used to wagons think the new space is acceptable with improved styling, there will be some converts from SUV's wanting a change. The others are who would've bought the sedan, but decided the practicality of the wagon was better because of the fold down seats (should've bought FG) etc.

So, if it has been 2 to -1 has the substantial investment been worth it? In terms of halo, yes. Dollars not so sure. But I think Ford should do the FG wagon. Burela has said it's ready. Maybe keep the BF3 going alongside.

Joe5619 · 06-07-2009, 09:18 PM

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Bossxr8 · 06-07-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

But I think Ford should do the FG wagon. Burela has said it's ready. Maybe keep the BF3 going alongside.

Where are you getting that idea from, there has been no development done on any form of FG wagon. There may have been some design sketches but thats about it.

phillyc · 06-07-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Where are you getting that idea from, there has been no development done on any form of FG wagon. There may have been some design sketches but thats about it.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2009...ommodore-15488

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Originally Posted by carsguide

When asked if Ford would build a wagon version of the new FG Falcon, Burela said there were other priorities.

"It has been designed, but we are yet to decide whether or not to build it. The current wagon is selling well for us as a tool of trade vehicle. We're going to see how the wagon version of the Mondeo is received later this year before we decide to do a wagon version of the current Falcon."

4Vman · 06-07-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

Therefore 3033 sedans, 1715 wagons, 1577 utes...
Falcon sold 3410 & 1491 Utes...

If the usual 300-400 wagons remained static, then it's possible, although not probable, that Falcon sedan outsold C'dore sedan.

As for the whole 1 Sportwagon = 1 less Sedan sale, i thought that for a while, but remember they used to sell 500 VZ2 wagons a month. Did Falcon wagon sales go up 500 a month when that VZ2 was canned? No. I didn't believe it added greatly to C'dore volume, but i'm beginning to think it has in recent months...

Add territory into the mix and you'll get a clearer picture of large car sales between the 2 brands... but yes, Falcon sedan outsold the commodore sedan...

Crazed · 07-07-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

Yeah, i thought that the sportswagon sales were eating into sedan sales at pretty much 1:1, but I have to say, that now that they are regularly over the 1000/mth mark i don't reckon they are. I do think, that maybe it is something like 2 wagon sales = 1 less sedan sale. Perhaps, half those that used to wagons think the new space is acceptable with improved styling, there will be some converts from SUV's wanting a change. The others are who would've bought the sedan, but decided the practicality of the wagon was better because of the fold down seats (should've bought FG) etc.

I do think the Sportwagon is helping overall Commodre sales.

Lets not also forget that the Commodore is up to over the 3 year old mark, all the user-chooser lease buyers of the sedan who now want to update but want something new now have the Sportwagon. If the new Sportwagon didnt exist, a lot of those guys would of gone Falcon, im sure of it.

Heck, even im in a position where when my Territory lease is up im seriously considering a Calais Sportwagon. Sedan? forget about it.

**russellw** · 07-07-2009, 04:29 PM

Our usual graphical look at the month data is now uploaded in the Tech Section.

Cheers
Russ

**russellw** · 07-07-2009, 05:15 PM

The supplementary statistics are also uploaded now and can be found in the Technical Section.

Cheers
Russ

Bossxr8 · 07-07-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2009...ommodore-15488

Having designed it is a hell of a long way from having it ready to go. It would need at least a few years of engineering and testing to get it on the road. As I said it probably hasn't progressed past the design studio.

Road_Warrior · 07-07-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Having designed it is a hell of a long way from having it ready to go. It would need at least a few years of engineering and testing to get it on the road. As I said it probably hasn't progressed past the design studio.

Agreed. If they were going to release it any time soon they'd need to have mules out and about all over the place right now.

Not to mention roughly $150-$200 Million to cover R&D, tooling and engineering costs, which is money that FoA doesn't have right now.