B triples coming to a Hume near you....

[nb_351]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Lol and how did that end up for them....

Two of the main companies that we use at work are both making all their drivers get their licence for doubles (mc?) and getting rid of their singles, any drivers that refuse are being shown the door. That's parrys and pearsons. I wonder how soon before they start looking at triples.
Pearsons especially, they carry light but full loads up to us that we distribute to local stores, then they go next door and pick up empty cans that weigh even less. I can see triples being very attractive for them.

Our yard I think could handle them, but I'm not sure about actually getting in and out of the yard.
Plenty of people park on the street right beside the driveways not thinking about trucks coming and going.
We close to motorway as well, buy I doubt it would happen up here.

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Lol their demise wasn't really anything to do with the runs or the vehicles... I wonder what everyone got told about the story of their demise

[nb_351]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Out of interest how long do you think it actually takes to load & unload a coal train?

The coal mine i was at it used to take about an hour to load a 100 trailer coaltrain

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by nb_351

Lol their demise washy really anything to do with the runs or the vehicles... I wonder what everyone got told about the story of their demise

Story we got told up here as that management basically gambled away all the money.

[Agent86]

First fleets demise is pretty simple.
The owner was feathering his retirement offshore whilst just running out what little was left inthe biz. They never really played by the rules.

I did some work for them a long time ago and recall a few drivers whining about being allocated trucks that were unregistered and un rwc. Some wre really nothing more than basket cases.

When i cleaned out one of their warehouses after they went under, it was looking like the efforts to appear to save the company were to little too late.
I spoke at length withone of the now-ex managers and he said that if it wasnt a direct money maker, it was ignored, maintenance wise.

I pitty those who bought any of the first fleet argosys.

[Belial]

Originally Posted by maty

Are Tolls yards big enough to move triples around or stage awaiting departure

Pull in the gate, drop the A Box legs and drop out.

Tugger can split and back onto loading docks.

Worked for me at Toll Refrigerated and still works at Scott's Refrigerated...

[nb_351]

In a nutshell yes lol
We could see it coming, bills not being paid, no accounts for us in the workshop to buy parts, I got out not long before it all hit the fan but guys that stayed went without pay for 6 or 8 weeks

[Bunyip04]

This seems to be a big deal about nothing with a heap of uneducated
numpty's bagging trucks based on media perception...
And if Outbackjack is from the Territory.. Well, just, Wow...
For those against trucks, why don't you attempt to come and do the job..

[nb_351]

Originally Posted by Agent86

First fleets demise is pretty simple.
The owner was feathering his retirement offshore whilst just running out what little was left inthe biz. They never really played by the rules.

I did some work for them a long time ago and recall a few drivers whining about being allocated trucks that were unregistered and un rwc. Some wre really nothing more than basket cases.

When i cleaned out one of their warehouses after they went under, it was looking like the efforts to appear to save the company were to little too late.
I spoke at length withone of the now-ex managers and he said that if it wasnt a direct money maker, it was ignored, maintenance wise.

I pitty those who bought any of the first fleet argosys.

Basically yeah
They even tried to run it under another name for a while
Their trucks were fairly average hey, I certainly wouldn't have bought one, we were more under the banners of bush mechanics than anything else lol
It's hard to fix things with no parts and no accounts paid
The perth to Sydney units were the ones who got the only real attention
I've seen a few ex first fleet units running around Sydney, even bdoubles with the branded curtains still on them
Which warehouse? And who was the manager lol

[nstg8a]

Still see some of their local rigid s round here with curtains still sign written up. Don't know who's running them.

[nb_351]

A few of the subbies owned theirs
I think the rest of them got flogged off for peanuts
Cause that's all they were worth lol

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-3...trucks/4447458

Looks like the Hume will become far more dangerous than it already is. Why are all our state Gumbyments so prone to making lunatic descisions like this. The way that last rear trailer on these things wanders all over the road is scary..... We have them out here all over the place and they are OK as there is stuff all traffic on the hiways. But I just cant see these things being safe on such a busy hiway like the hume...

sure it will track all over the road if its not set up right and tits the roads are junk. have a look at Darwin and NT drive road trains everywhere and most of Queensland
personally i don't see what the difference between having a b-triple or a double road train is

[nb_351]

Running a triple or a road train means less physical trucks on the roads
Most of the public can't comprehend that lol

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by nb_351

Running a triple or a road train means less physical trucks on the roads
Most of the public can't comprehend that lol

Most people are just scared of big vehicles on the roads, the office lady at work thinks that they shouldn't be allowed on the roads, was a great one sided discusion that she lost

[nb_351]

You need to take her for a ride in a bdouble then lol

[Agent86]

Originally Posted by nb_351

Basically yeah
They even tried to run it under another name for a while
Their trucks were fairly average hey, I certainly wouldn't have bought one, we were more under the banners of bush mechanics than anything else lol
It's hard to fix things with no parts and no accounts paid
The perth to Sydney units were the ones who got the only real attention
I've seen a few ex first fleet units running around Sydney, even bdoubles with the branded curtains still on them
Which warehouse? And who was the manager lol

Strezleki ave, forget his name.

I was moving the books out

[oceanwave54]

Originally Posted by nb_351

Running a triple or a road train means less physical trucks on the roads
Most of the public can't comprehend that lol

Is this the case or will the number remain the same (or even increase)?

I would've thought that a shortage of drivers means there still stands more to move, and what with manufacturing increasing and moving offshore, as well as internet purchases going up, there definitely will be more to move in the future.

So even though more is being hauled, there is more to haul anyway. It's possible I may be wrong though.

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by new2ford

The problem is that there are quite a few bad drivers, not the majority but enough to make a difference.


By comparison you won't find a single train driver who is ripped to the tits and a repeat offender. A professional driver in any industry is a professional driver and no transport industry can afford to have less than 100% professionalism. Except the road transport industry it seems.

In this particular issue I find it fascinating that the European road transport industry, beside which the Australian one is tiny peanuts, gets by with single semi-trailers - no B doubles let along B triples. Is it a case of not being able to find enough drivers here, or saving paying for more drivers?

The industry is not exactly going to the wall in Europe (also the major freight carrier there) in spite of being more controlled.

you do realise we hav a lot of distance to cover in Australia and the average trip in Europe is only a couple of hours???
the reason that most things in Australia is on trucks and there are things like Quads,Triples,Doubles B-triples and B-doubles is that it is that the rail network can't handle it and be competeitive with trucks price wise, did you know that only around 10-15% of freight is all that the rail can handle and that most of the rail companies in Aus are running at a loss and the only ones that make money are the mining trains
Also the average amount freight that is damaged is about triple compared to road transport

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by tezxr8man

personally i don't see what the difference between having a b-triple or a double road train is

Double Road Trains have the dolly in the middle which is where the sway starts, and the turning circle is greater.... unless you want to bend the bar on the dolly

Originally Posted by tezxr8man

you do realise we hav a lot of distance to cover in Australia and the average trip in Europe is only a couple of hours???

Like this..........

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by nb_351

The coal mine i was at it used to take about an hour to load a 100 trailer coaltrain

Bit over 30 seconds a wagon isn't bad considering that's 100 tons of coal.
For coal and stuff like that trains make more sense. But for most other things trucks are the way to go.
I have no problem with B triples on the roads.

[nb_351]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Bit over 30 seconds a wagon isn't bad considering that's 100 tons of coal.
For coal and stuff like that trains make more sense. But for most other things trucks are the way to go.
I have no problem with B triples on the roads.

Yeah that was with a belly dumper style tunnel system that the train drive through slowly

Originally Posted by Agent86

Strezleki ave, forget his name.

I was moving the books out

Ok cool
I'm in Sydney but I know where the Melbourne depot was, the manager lived up here too but most of it was run out of Melbourne I think

Originally Posted by oceanwave54

Is this the case or will the number remain the same (or even increase)?

I would've thought that a shortage of drivers means there still stands more to move, and what with manufacturing increasing and moving offshore, as well as internet purchases going up, there definitely will be more to move in the future.

So even though more is being hauled, there is more to haul anyway. It's possible I may be wrong though.

Good point
Logic would see less trucks on the road cause the ones on the road will be carrying more but it might go the other way lol

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Bit over 30 seconds a wagon isn't bad considering that's 100 tons of coal.
For coal and stuff like that trains make more sense. But for most other things trucks are the way to go.
I have no problem with B triples on the roads.

Sometimes I think that a 3-4-5 wagon road train would be somewhat safer, perhaps if something
is made impossible to pass, the likelihood of dangerous overtaking maneuvers is then eliminated.
maybe like buses, hang a sign on the back of road trains saying "no overtaking except in passing lanes"

I guess the safety Sams would have a field day with that...

[kevino]

Bring them in -speed restrict them to 90km/hr.
Simons national Carriers already restrict all their rigs to 90km/hr.
These guys are easy to pass and in turn have no need to tailgate.

[phr33k]

Originally Posted by MrEL

That driver was ripped to the tits and was a repeat offender.
The type of truck was in no way to blame.
The driver of that truck would of been a disaster on the road driving a frigging mini.

the problem IS what he was driving 60 ton of BDouble or .5 ton of mini, if I was driving, and had only those choices, I'm quite sure i'd rather the mini, maybe get some injuries but atleast i'd go home alive, hitting anything at any speed in a Bdouble-Triple, and your going home in a pine box.

Until there are better controls and methods of weeding out drivers like that, Btriples should be as far away from crowded roads/hiways as possible

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by tezxr8man

you do realise we hav a lot of distance to cover in Australia and the average trip in Europe is only a couple of hours???
the reason that most things in Australia is on trucks and there are things like Quads,Triples,Doubles B-triples and B-doubles is that it is that the rail network can't handle it

LOL thanks for the map GasOLane, I can't imagine what some people are thinking! Most of the freight task in Europe is also by truck, their railways aren't really up to it - but the trucks are normal (single) semi-trailers, limited to 90 km/h and with urban peak-hour curfews.

Somebody explain to me how, under those limitations, they move the amount of freight that would be generated by a continent of 740 million people compared to a similar-size continent of 20 million people which apparently needs higher speeds, bigger trucks and no curfews to do its peanut-size job.

By the way, rail freight is subject to peak hour curfews in Sydney, operates on 19th century infrastructure and alignments, under onerous safeworking practices and yet is somehow on a level playing field for comparison purposes.

On the subject of truck speeds, tailgating, grievances with "stupid" motorists hanging around/in front of/beside trucks, most of that would be resolved, European style, by a wider speed limit differential. In Europe the trucks do 90 and the cars can do (on motorways) 130 so they can all get out of each other's way very quickly.

The reason that you have a car creeping slowly past you and then sitting in front of your nose - or you having to tailgate a car to keep up momentum - is the speed limit and the average car driver's fear of being pinged by the police. That's what happens when car and truck speed limits are the same. Not rocket science. It's a road safety issue so let's wait and see the road safety experts lift the general limit to 130 (and keep trucks to 100) to solve it - when pigs fly.

[mitch_s]

Originally Posted by Belial

Pull in the gate, drop the A Box legs and drop out.

Tugger can split and back onto loading docks.

Worked for me at Toll Refrigerated and still works at Scott's Refrigerated...

what about tolls country depots.
trailers can only be dropped in allocated places which would be next to impossible to get to in a triple. they cant go dropping trailers where ever they want, what about the other trucks, couriers and customers coming in.
that just says to me, yes they may run doubles, but not alot of them, only to major depots like altona, perth, sydney or at christmas time when a double just doesnt cut it.

[mitch_s]

Originally Posted by Bunyip04

This seems to be a big deal about nothing with a heap of uneducated
numpty's bagging trucks based on media perception...
And if Outbackjack is from the Territory.. Well, just, Wow...
For those against trucks, why don't you attempt to come and do the job..

correction!!!
for those against trucks, how about you cover our wagers for a week and see how well our country runs without them.
knobswallowers...

[wicko]

Originally Posted by new2ford

On the subject of truck speeds, tailgating, grievances with "stupid" motorists hanging around/in front of/beside trucks, most of that would be resolved, European style, by a wider speed limit differential. In Europe the trucks do 90 and the cars can do (on motorways) 130 so they can all get out of each other's way very quickly.

The reason that you have a car creeping slowly past you and then sitting in front of your nose - or you having to tailgate a car to keep up momentum - is the speed limit and the average car driver's fear of being pinged by the police. That's what happens when car and truck speed limits are the same. Not rocket science. It's a road safety issue so let's wait and see the road safety experts lift the general limit to 130 (and keep trucks to 100) to solve it - when pigs fly.

Good idea - but could only see it working on dual or triple lane highways. We have that now with caravans doing 20kph below the limit and having a convoy sitting behind them waiting to 'create' a passing opportunity. Unless you know the road like the back of your hand you have no idea where are the best places to pass (exclusing overtaking lanes).

Agree - that Joe average wants to pass and remain below 100kph (his speedo reading - not the GPS 100kph) for fear of getting caught by radar coming to him.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by wicko

Good idea - but could only see it working on dual or triple lane highways. We have that now with caravans doing 20kph below the limit and having a convoy sitting behind them waiting to 'create' a passing opportunity. Unless you know the road like the back of your hand you have no idea where are the best places to pass (exclusing overtaking lanes).

Yes I'm really talking about motorways where this speed limit differential works very well (in Europe). Nobody gets in nobody's way.

On normal roads, limited to 100 or whatever, there's not much you can do other than wait for overtaking opportunities. I just wish that some motorists who do well below the limit on single lane roads would extend the same consideration many truckies do and pull to the left occasionally to let others overtake. But no they just sit there and sit there ....

A bit OT irt B triples sorry.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by nb_351

Basically yeah
They even tried to run it under another name for a while

The guy was(is) a shonk. Lenders I know had him on disaster watch for 2 years prior. Had a gambling issue (allegedly) That's his defense anyway. Took off the the US with staff super money and what was owed to subbies. It's a miracle he hasn't had his legs broken to be honest..




As for b triples. Only ones in Vic are the Ford ones running from Geelong to Broadmeadows on the ring road, the worst metro traffic you can imagine. Most of the punters dont even know they are there.

[Agent86]

Originally Posted by Elks

The guy was(is) a shonk. Lenders I know had him on disaster watch for 2 years prior. Had a gambling issue (allegedly) That's his defense anyway. Took off the the US with staff super money and what was owed to subbies. It's a miracle he hasn't had his legs broken to be honest..




As for b triples. Only ones in Vic are the Ford ones running from Geelong to Broadmeadows on the ring road, the worst metro traffic you can imagine. Most of the punters dont even know they are there.

The only indication are the Warning signs on the rear trailer advising of overall combination length and the fact the vehicle has 3 trailers.

TBH, if they were going to pose a problem, the western race track would be where it would occour.